Alright.. so Dogs, a Lineup Change, and a movie being filmed at the park ended the losing streak! lol

 

 

I'm just kidding but great hits all around... This lineup better stay!

we started this game with new line up and good pitching by mark ,two homerun by dan uggly and gonz what your think on this game????

score update san f 5 phy 4 in 8inng

Awesome stuff, all around.

 

UGGLA!

 

Also, great stuff by Mark Hendrickson. ANOTHER quality start. I am sticking with my pre-season statement that he would surprise most of us.

Loved the lineup!!

 

Jennifer Anniston is gorgeous!!!

 

Good game all around lol

Gregg allowed 4 runs (3 ers) last 3 games.

 

also, He could not throw the strike on every first pitch.

 

What's the problem?

son of a b****!!! Giants blow the game in the 10th... Phils win with walk-off

solid game, Gregg still not where he needs to be though. Hendrickson for comeback player of the year.

son of a b****!!! Giants blow the game in the 10th... Phils win with walk-off

 

:banghead

As long as we're making late and overdue moves like the Uggla up/Hermida down one, why don't we send Andrew Miller down now, today, right this minute?

Lightning doesn't strike twice.

As long as we're making late and overdue moves like the Uggla up/Hermida down one, why don't we send Andrew Miller down now, today, right this minute?

 

I've been kinda hoping that they have wanted to see how he does in his off days. Before sending him to AA, moving Waechter to his slot, and bringing Joe Nelson up. Doug still hasn't taken the ball since that last Andrew start, so it fits my fantasy.

hopefully they do it by today since he is slotted to pitch tomorrow.

 

This was a great game, Uggla came through big and Hermida added 3 hits.

 

Hendrickson did what he's been doing all year.

 

Gregg got in trouble in the 9th, thank goodness for that double play.

As long as we're making late and overdue moves like the Uggla up/Hermida down one, why don't we send Andrew Miller down now, today, right this minute?

 

I've been kinda hoping that they have wanted to see how he does in his off days. Before sending him to AA, moving Waechter to his slot, and bringing Joe Nelson up. Doug still hasn't taken the ball since that last Andrew start, so it fits my fantasy.

He's slated to start tomorrow. :confused

Gregg needs a few days off. Put someone else in the closer role or something.

Gregg does not inspire confidence in me anymore. A closer is supposed to close the darn door. I don't know how much longer Fredi will stick with him, but I have a feeling it will take a least a couple of more blown saves. But right now, we don't have another typical closer on our roster.

 

Lindstrom's back is not feeling well. J. Miller is not looking as well as he did last year. Gardner is hurt. Tank is having his problems. Kensing and Waechter are more long relievers than closers.

 

I guess Pinto can close, but he has more value as a set-up guy in special situations when a couple of lefties are coming to bat.

 

So we're stuck with Gregg for now. Hopefully he'll straighten out before he implodes.

I think that Fredi should make Gregg a normal reliever for now and go with a closer by committee again like last year in April until someone else emerges to take the spot.

J. Miller is not looking as well as he did last year.

 

 

I kinda disagree here. He has like a 2.5 ERA, and 3 of the earned runs allowed were b/c Tankersley couldn't get Nick Johnson out with 2 outs...the game where Johnson hit the 2B.

 

Miller has been solid this year...he's gotten some rest lately, which he needed, as well. Pinto needs some games off, as well. He's been used A LOT.

 

As for Gregg...the thing is, they're not really hitting him hard. He's having trouble with his control. I still don't think he has struggled THAT MUCH to take him out of the closer's role...his save % has been good ever since he took over the role. And you have to look at ALL THE CLOSERS in the league...compare 'em to Gregg. He's definitely not been the worst, this year. If the others aren't losing their jobs yet, then I'm not sure Gregg deserves to lose his, just a little over a month into the season.

A reasonable save percentage does not indicate that he's pitching well. He's in the bottom third for most pitching categories for closers and has given up many long outs.

 

Not saying he should lose his job because I don't want him pitching with men on base. However, letting off the hook because he only has one blown save is simply embracing mediocrity. It's a rather arbitrary statistic that has little to do with actual performance. He's not the worst, but arguably two thirds of MLB closers (or more) are having better years than he is.

 

Keep digging.

As for Gregg...the thing is, they're not really hitting him hard. He's having trouble with his control. I still don't think he has struggled THAT MUCH to take him out of the closer's role...his save % has been good ever since he took over the role. And you have to look at ALL THE CLOSERS in the league...compare 'em to Gregg. He's definitely not been the worst, this year. If the others aren't losing their jobs yet, then I'm not sure Gregg deserves to lose his, just a little over a month into the season.

His save percentage has been good because he's been the beneficiary of some great defense. To argue that he is good closer material just because he's only blown one save in six chances is ridiculous. He was put in the role as a stopgap at the beginning of last year but now that this bullpen is living up to it's potential, he needs to be moved. He's never had dominant stuff and going on 30, he never will.

What movie were they filming for, and were they at a "marlins game" during the movie? or just at a random ass stadium?

I think for this one game, in a season that's going to end with a sub .500 record, the most important thing for the franchise is the movie. We'll see how they change the book into some silly Hollywood screenplay, but the movie is about a dog named "Marley". Could Marley be a Marlins fan? That would be some good free PR for the franchise.

If Gregg is not the guy, who is?

 

I don't want Miller. He's great at leaving runners stranded on base, etc.

Pinto is valuable at what he does. He can face a lefty, as well as give you multiple innings, etc.

Tankersley is a lefty specialist (who has struggled the most this year out of the pen, anyways).

Lindstrom is hurt...and flat...and only throws 1 pitch, consistently.

Kensing is more of a middle reliever, who can give multiple innings at this point...which is necessary, as we know, watching our 3-5 (Nolasco, Miller, Badenhop) starters this year.

 

My point about Gregg is this: Coming into last night, hitters were batting .222 against him. Which means, his problem is the fact that he's not throwing strikes. He IS, as you guys say, not your ideal closer, but facts are facts. His save % (which is all a closer is asked to do..."save" the game) has been good ever since he got the role.

 

Plus, if you leave him at closer, and he does ok (not even great...just ok), his trade value increases come July. By July, some contending team will be desperate for relief help, and we might just steal a nice prospect.

Not throwing strikes is a very serious problem to have. Walking batters is just as devastating. His OBP against is a .357. That's terrible.

 

Again, you can't use save % as a valid means of measuring performance because he has had some drastic close calls where his defense has bailed him out.

 

 

You are analyzing the situation superficially.

Not throwing strikes is a very serious problem to have. Walking batters is just as devastating. His OBP against is a .357. That's terrible.

 

 

1. Walks can be fixed with some sort of change in mechanics. That's what pitching coaches are for...look at Scott Olsen with some advice from Wiley (to work faster)...what he's been able to do thus far.

 

2. The fact that the opp. avg. isn't that high, says that if he tweaks his mechanics some more, and finds a way to throw strikes, he'll be good, again. Not as if he's Andrew Miller right now, where opponents are not only drawing walks, but hitting him, at will.

 

3. It's not even mid-May. Eric Gagne has blown 4 saves...he still has a closer's job. Kerry Wood has not done well in save situations...he still has his. The best closer in the league last year (J.J. Putz) has an ERA of about 9, with a couple of blown saves, himself. Takashi Saito blew a couple early in the season...he's one of the best, as well. All those guys have their jobs. It's early.

 

The closers role is overrated, often times. People say George Sherrill is doing a great job in Baltimore with his 11 saves, yet he has an ERA near 5, himself (that's a lot higher than Gregg's). Sherrill still has his job. Borowski and Todd Jones did the same crap last year, yet to their managers their save %'s were fine...they did the job.

 

Being a closer and being a middle reliever is the same thing, except a closer gets more fame b/c they call 'em saves in the 9th, instead of holds.

 

You could come in, in a game, and have an ERA of 18, in the game, and still walk out with a "save," and people will say, "he still got the save."

 

So...I wouldn't expect Gregg to leave the closers role anytime soon...as I said, if not Gregg...who?

 

If you ask me, I'd rather have Justin Miller and Reynel Pinto inheriting baserunners, instead of Gregg in those situations.

Just b/c you're a closer, doesn't mean you're the best reliever on the team. I don't think people ever realize this, but it's true.

 

Plus, as a Marlins fan, I'd worry a lot more about even getting to Gregg...the way starters 3, 4, and 5 have pitched this year, we're lucky to be 16-14, and talking about Gregg right now.