October 13, 200818 yr With all of this talk about trading Uggla, it seems to me it makes much more sense for the Marlins to move Cantu if they are looking to shore up holes in the roster. Our options at 2B are not very promising. However, in McPherson we have a possible replacement for Cantu at 3B. And if McPherson fails, we always have Helms to pick up the slack. That is not to say Helms would produce anywhere in the stratosphere Cantu produces - but we have a much better chance at replacing the production of Cantu at 3B than Uggla at 2B.
October 13, 200818 yr I disagree. Coghlan, IMO, can produce more than mcpherson and helms. If one of them had to go, i choose uggla
October 13, 200818 yr Author I disagree. Coghlan, IMO, can produce more than mcpherson and helms. If one of them had to go, i choose uggla If by produce you mean playing worse than, I'd agree. But hopefully the Marlins will be about building a winning ballclub in 2009.
October 13, 200818 yr I think a lot of the point of all this talk about moving Uggla though is the value you'd get in return. Cantu doesn't get you near as much IMO. And I'd agree that moving Uggla leaves a big hole at 2B, but moving Cantu could hurt us at both 1st and 3rd. I'm not itching to move either one, although the Matt Cain talk has me interested.
October 13, 200818 yr I disagree. Coghlan, IMO, can produce more than mcpherson and helms. If one of them had to go, i choose uggla If by produce you mean playing worse than, I'd agree. But hopefully the Marlins will be about building a winning ballclub in 2009. then you disagree. Im willing to bet anything that coghlan would out produce Dallas " Mike jacobs 2.0" Mcpherson and Wes " I OPS .645" helms.
October 13, 200818 yr Not that I want to see EITHER Danny or Cantu traded, of the two, I agree it should be Uggla because of the value we would receive in return. However, I want to point out a possibility not discussed before. We all assume JAke is going to be gone, and quite possibly Uggs. Many would agree Coghlan's not quite ready. What about giving Gaby the chance to win te 1st base job, Dallas/Wes Helms splitting time at 3rd and moving Cantu to second? Jorge played 2nd with the Rays most of his time there, and is his natural position. He'd be much better defensively there, and would free up the corners where there is much more promise and possibilities.
October 13, 200818 yr nnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooo. i hope both stay but i'd rather trade uggla. like stated in the other posts we have coghlan who could take over at 2nd and uggla would give us more value in a trade. also cantu was clutch this season and i want to see him in the lineup next year as well
October 13, 200818 yr Isn't Cantu a free agent now? I thought we only signed him to a one year contract?
October 13, 200818 yr With all of this talk about trading Uggla, it seems to me it makes much more sense for the Marlins to move Cantu if they are looking to shore up holes in the roster. Our options at 2B are not very promising. However, in McPherson we have a possible replacement for Cantu at 3B. And if McPherson fails, we always have Helms to pick up the slack. That is not to say Helms would produce anywhere in the stratosphere Cantu produces - but we have a much better chance at replacing the production of Cantu at 3B than Uggla at 2B. I agree but the reason why Cantu will stay is that he is a cheap contract
October 13, 200818 yr Isn't Cantu a free agent now? I thought we only signed him to a one year contract? We control him through Arbitration
October 13, 200818 yr With all of this talk about trading Uggla, it seems to me it makes much more sense for the Marlins to move Cantu if they are looking to shore up holes in the roster. Our options at 2B are not very promising. However, in McPherson we have a possible replacement for Cantu at 3B. And if McPherson fails, we always have Helms to pick up the slack. That is not to say Helms would produce anywhere in the stratosphere Cantu produces - but we have a much better chance at replacing the production of Cantu at 3B than Uggla at 2B. I agree but the reason why Cantu will stay is that he is a cheap contract Cantu will be making over $4 million when you look at arbitration comparables.
October 13, 200818 yr With all of this talk about trading Uggla, it seems to me it makes much more sense for the Marlins to move Cantu if they are looking to shore up holes in the roster. Our options at 2B are not very promising. However, in McPherson we have a possible replacement for Cantu at 3B. And if McPherson fails, we always have Helms to pick up the slack. That is not to say Helms would produce anywhere in the stratosphere Cantu produces - but we have a much better chance at replacing the production of Cantu at 3B than Uggla at 2B. I agree but the reason why Cantu will stay is that he is a cheap contract Cantu will be making over $4 million when you look at arbitration comparables. Lou i have read that as well, but Cantu should not get to arbitration. If he doesn't agree to a contract that is within Marlin's parameters (2-2.5 millions) he will not be with the Marlins next season...The most i see the Marlins paying him is 3 millions and that would be on a multi year contract. I could be wrong here
October 13, 200818 yr With all of this talk about trading Uggla, it seems to me it makes much more sense for the Marlins to move Cantu if they are looking to shore up holes in the roster. Our options at 2B are not very promising. However, in McPherson we have a possible replacement for Cantu at 3B. And if McPherson fails, we always have Helms to pick up the slack. That is not to say Helms would produce anywhere in the stratosphere Cantu produces - but we have a much better chance at replacing the production of Cantu at 3B than Uggla at 2B. NO WAY!!!! cantu stays!
October 13, 200818 yr Hell of an argument by 305LaTiNo Not too unlike many of your single sentence, four word posts.
October 13, 200818 yr Cantu has played more at second base in his major league career than anywhere else. His fielding percentage there is better than he has achieved at third base. If Uggla is viewed as a top tier offensive second baseman, well, Cantu is even better. Trade Uggla.
October 13, 200818 yr Cantu has played more at second base in his major league career than anywhere else. His fielding percentage there is better than he has achieved at third base. If Uggla is viewed as a top tier offensive second baseman, well, Cantu is even better. Trade Uggla. I agree. Uggla is one dimensional. While I like Danny, I would rather him go than Cantu. We would definitely get more value for Uggla than Cantu.
October 13, 200818 yr I woulde prefer both stay even though this cain talk is interesting to me uggla gets us more in return than cantu.
October 13, 200818 yr As Hotcorner stated before, it is all about value and how much money the player would make. Why would we trade Cantu when he is making near minimum? The reason Uggla keeps on being mentioned is he is due to make 6-7 million dollars in arbitration. Trust me Cantu is a lock for next year
October 13, 200818 yr Cantu has played more at second base in his major league career than anywhere else. His fielding percentage there is better than he has achieved at third base. If Uggla is viewed as a top tier offensive second baseman, well, Cantu is even better. Trade Uggla. How is that anywhere near true? Dan Uggla had a higher OBP and a higher SLG than Cantu. As far as "clutch", Danny hit better with RISP and better when Late and Close. He's better in almost every way offensively. Plus, Uggla is a slightly above average defensive and Cantu terrible. Via Plus/Minus, Cantu was ranked 30th amongst 2B in 2006, the last time he played 2B. Uggla was ranked 9th in 2008. Dan Uggla is better in every way.
October 13, 200818 yr As Hotcorner stated before, it is all about value and how much money the player would make. Why would we trade Cantu when he is making near minimum? The reason Uggla keeps on being mentioned is he is due to make 6-7 million dollars in arbitration. Trust me Cantu is a lock for next year Cantu won't be making near min. He'll be making a few million.
October 13, 200818 yr As Hotcorner stated before, it is all about value and how much money the player would make. Why would we trade Cantu when he is making near minimum? The reason Uggla keeps on being mentioned is he is due to make 6-7 million dollars in arbitration. Trust me Cantu is a lock for next year Cantu won't be making near min. He'll be making a few million. since when? Cantu I believe is making $2-3 million this season after arbitration. He is well worth it
October 14, 200818 yr As Hotcorner stated before, it is all about value and how much money the player would make. Why would we trade Cantu when he is making near minimum? The reason Uggla keeps on being mentioned is he is due to make 6-7 million dollars in arbitration. Trust me Cantu is a lock for next year Chase Utley is better than Uggla and made $4.5 million in year 4. It would be an enormous unexpected raise to get to $6-7. Cantu will be in 2nd year arbitration, and his comparables place him in the $4-5 million range.
October 14, 200818 yr Cantu has played more at second base in his major league career than anywhere else. His fielding percentage there is better than he has achieved at third base. If Uggla is viewed as a top tier offensive second baseman, well, Cantu is even better. Trade Uggla. This must be the ignorant post of the day.
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