Cutting Gibbons, who definitely had something to prove this year and looked to be off to a good start to get Andino and Bonifacio more play in the outfield? Seriously?

Yeah, I don't like this.

I don't think bringing Gibbons in for Spring Training was ever about finding an offensive 4th OF. Otherwise, we would have just re-signed Gonzo. As I said the other day, the 4th OF search is about finding a defensive sub for Hermida at the end of each game. Now, with Amezaga out for a bit, it narrows the search a bit by requiring the 4th OF to be able to cover all 3 OF positions instead of just a corner.

As I said the other day, the 4th OF search is about finding a defensive sub for Hermida at the end of each game. Now, with Amezaga out for a bit, it narrows the search a bit by requiring the 4th OF to be able to cover all 3 OF positions instead of just a corner.

I disagree with this completely. And especially now that Hermida has shown up this spring training with a big cup of STFU to everybody.

 

Ross is going to be the backup CF now until AA is back. We don't need someone who can cover all spots. We need a slugging 4th outfielder to have another power option versus all our backup middle infielders masquerading as 4th outfielders, when they should be 5th outfielders. If he can only play a corner, that's more than fine because Ross can handle it. It's not going to happen now unless you think someone from Cantu/McPherson is going to start playing a little bit of LF. I personally don't.

 

We're basically just going to have a screwy roster the rest of the year that is very inflexible. Once Coghlan (2B/3B), Morrison (1B/LF), and Cousins (CF/OF) make the team in a year or so everything will fix itself, but we're just screwed this year into either carrying 2 light hitting middle infield backups, or 1 middle infield backup and a sub-optimal 5th OF who should still be in AAA. It's that simple. You can also thank the Wes Helms signing for this also. They should have obtained a 1B/LF instead of him.

I disagree with this completely. And especially now that Hermida has shown up this spring training with a big cup of STFU to everybody.

 

:lol

As I said the other day, the 4th OF search is about finding a defensive sub for Hermida at the end of each game. Now, with Amezaga out for a bit, it narrows the search a bit by requiring the 4th OF to be able to cover all 3 OF positions instead of just a corner.

I disagree with this completely. And especially now that Hermida has shown up this spring training with a big cup of STFU to everybody.

 

Ross is going to be the backup CF now until AA is back. We don't need someone who can cover all spots. We need a slugging 4th outfielder to have another power option versus all our backup middle infielders masquerading as 4th outfielders, when they should be 5th outfielders. If he can only play a corner, that's more than fine because Ross can handle it. It's not going to happen now unless you think someone from Cantu/McPherson is going to start playing a little bit of LF. I personally don't.

 

We're basically just going to have a screwy roster the rest of the year that is very inflexible. Once Coghlan (2B/3B), Morrison (1B/LF), and Cousins (CF/OF) make the team in a year or so everything will fix itself, but we're just screwed this year into either carrying 2 light hitting middle infield backups, or 1 middle infield backup and a sub-optimal 5th OF who should still be in AAA. It's that simple. You can also thank the Wes Helms signing for this also. They should have obtained a 1B/LF instead of him.

 

You may disagree with me, but apparently the FO disagrees with you, by not re-signing Gonzo, by not signing or trading for another slugging OF, and by cutting the only resemblence of a power hitting 4th OF in Spring Training.

 

Hermida's bat has shown up this Spring, but he'll still have a defensive sub late in games to protect a lead.

Our outfield is fine. Hermida, Maybin, and whoevever (it doesn't even matter). Those first two can be very good, though I expect Maybin to struggle at times. This is Hermida's last year to prove himself. If he doesn't, I doubt the front office will have any patience left with him.

Our outfield is fine. Hermida, Maybin, and whoevever (it doesn't even matter). Those first two can be very good, though I expect Maybin to struggle at times. This is Hermida's last year to prove himself. If he doesn't, I doubt the front office will have any patience left with him.

 

 

Whoevever = Cody Ross' middle name.

As I said the other day, the 4th OF search is about finding a defensive sub for Hermida at the end of each game. Now, with Amezaga out for a bit, it narrows the search a bit by requiring the 4th OF to be able to cover all 3 OF positions instead of just a corner.

I disagree with this completely. And especially now that Hermida has shown up this spring training with a big cup of STFU to everybody.

 

Ross is going to be the backup CF now until AA is back. We don't need someone who can cover all spots. We need a slugging 4th outfielder to have another power option versus all our backup middle infielders masquerading as 4th outfielders, when they should be 5th outfielders. If he can only play a corner, that's more than fine because Ross can handle it. It's not going to happen now unless you think someone from Cantu/McPherson is going to start playing a little bit of LF. I personally don't.

 

We're basically just going to have a screwy roster the rest of the year that is very inflexible. Once Coghlan (2B/3B), Morrison (1B/LF), and Cousins (CF/OF) make the team in a year or so everything will fix itself, but we're just screwed this year into either carrying 2 light hitting middle infield backups, or 1 middle infield backup and a sub-optimal 5th OF who should still be in AAA. It's that simple. You can also thank the Wes Helms signing for this also. They should have obtained a 1B/LF instead of him.

 

You may disagree with me, but apparently the FO disagrees with you, by not re-signing Gonzo, by not signing or trading for another slugging OF, and by cutting the only resemblence of a power hitting 4th OF in Spring Training.

 

Hermida's bat has shown up this Spring, but he'll still have a defensive sub late in games to protect a lead.

Yea, but the problem is I'm right and we're really going to feel not having bench power this year. Hermida is going to be fine defensively, and the Marlins are probably going to need his bat in the lineup regardless.

Yea, but the problem is I'm right and we're really going to feel not having bench power this year. Hermida is going to be fine defensively, and the Marlins are probably going to need his bat in the lineup regardless.

 

:lol I LOL'ed.

 

That said, I agree with you. We needed a power hitter. I don't like the Helms signing, but he at least can be useful as a corner IF platooner with solid defense and a bit of pop. The big problem, to me, seems like the FO's inability/unwillingness/whatever to go out and get a 4th OF with some pop.

Yea, but the problem is I'm right and we're really going to feel not having bench power this year. Hermida is going to be fine defensively, and the Marlins are probably going to need his bat in the lineup regardless.

 

:lol I LOL'ed.

 

That said, I agree with you. We needed a power hitter. I don't like the Helms signing, but he at least can be useful as a corner IF platooner with solid defense and a bit of pop. The big problem, to me, seems like the FO's inability/unwillingness/whatever to go out and get a 4th OF with some pop.

The only positive to this is, those guys are easily available at the deadline for moderate RP prospects if we're still in it after the all star break. It's a fixable problem, but you'd just like to see them out of the gates with a bit more foresight with how the 25 man roster will work. Improving your "speed and defense" is fine, but you really can't carry 4 slap hitting guys as primary backups at corner power slots.

Yea, but the problem is I'm right and we're really going to feel not having bench power this year. Hermida is going to be fine defensively, and the Marlins are probably going to need his bat in the lineup regardless.

 

:lol I LOL'ed.

 

That said, I agree with you. We needed a power hitter. I don't like the Helms signing, but he at least can be useful as a corner IF platooner with solid defense and a bit of pop. The big problem, to me, seems like the FO's inability/unwillingness/whatever to go out and get a 4th OF with some pop.

 

garrett anderson would have been the perfect signing and a steal at only 2.5 million. we should have used the money we gave helms to sign anderson

Yea, but the problem is I'm right and we're really going to feel not having bench power this year. Hermida is going to be fine defensively, and the Marlins are probably going to need his bat in the lineup regardless.

 

:lol I LOL'ed.

 

That said, I agree with you. We needed a power hitter. I don't like the Helms signing, but he at least can be useful as a corner IF platooner with solid defense and a bit of pop. The big problem, to me, seems like the FO's inability/unwillingness/whatever to go out and get a 4th OF with some pop.

The only positive to this is, those guys are easily available at the deadline for moderate RP prospects if we're still in it after the all star break. It's a fixable problem, but you'd just like to see them out of the gates with a bit more foresight with how the 25 man roster will work. Improving your "speed and defense" is fine, but you really can't carry 4 slap hitting guys as primary backups at corner power slots.

 

I couldn't agree with you more. This organization benefitted a lot by having guys like Ross and Gonzalez as backup OFers who could make something happen with the bat when called upon. Even Joe Borchard, as bad as he was, surprised us from time to time by coming up with a big hit. It's very concerning to have strength disappear when you bump Ross into the starting lineup and don't acquire capable backup.

 

Luckily, the only thing our FO seems to care more about than slap hitting infielders are relief pitchers.

I'm kind of upset Gibbons is gone. Not only because he was performing well, but also because if Ross or Hermida were to go down, he's really the only one I would have been completely comfortable with in the everyday lineup.

 

You'd be comfortable with a guy who hasn't been in the majors since 2007, and in that season had a whopping .618 OPS that season?

 

Well, based on the fact that he's had plenty of prior success, and since that 2007 season has been successful every single place he's played (including here), yea I'd be comfortable with him playing everyday (at least a lot more comfortable handing him the ab's instead of anyone else at the moment).

 

And in his "successful" days, wasn't Gibbons on the juice? Muchado about nothing here, Gibbons ain't good anymore (if he was ever considered good in the first place)

Yea, but the problem is I'm right and we're really going to feel not having bench power this year. Hermida is going to be fine defensively, and the Marlins are probably going to need his bat in the lineup regardless.

 

:lol I LOL'ed.

 

That said, I agree with you. We needed a power hitter. I don't like the Helms signing, but he at least can be useful as a corner IF platooner with solid defense and a bit of pop. The big problem, to me, seems like the FO's inability/unwillingness/whatever to go out and get a 4th OF with some pop.

 

garrett anderson would have been the perfect signing and a steal at only 2.5 million. we should have used the money we gave helms to sign anderson

eh, I would have been pissed if we gave him that much money to be a part time player. Eric Hinske at $1.5 is much better fiscally and performance wise, and only half a million more than Helms is getting per year. Also don't forget Johnny Gomes, Brad Wilkerson, Kevin Millar, Daryle Ward, and Trot Nixon on minor league deals. Not to mention Gibbons.

Yea, but the problem is I'm right and we're really going to feel not having bench power this year. Hermida is going to be fine defensively, and the Marlins are probably going to need his bat in the lineup regardless.

 

:lol I LOL'ed.

 

That said, I agree with you. We needed a power hitter. I don't like the Helms signing, but he at least can be useful as a corner IF platooner with solid defense and a bit of pop. The big problem, to me, seems like the FO's inability/unwillingness/whatever to go out and get a 4th OF with some pop.

 

garrett anderson would have been the perfect signing and a steal at only 2.5 million. we should have used the money we gave helms to sign anderson

eh, I would have been pissed if we gave him that much money to be a part time player. Eric Hinske at $1.5 is much better fiscally and performance wise, and only half a million more than Helms is getting per year. Also don't forget Johnny Gomes, Brad Wilkerson, Kevin Millar, Daryle Ward, and Trot Nixon on minor league deals. Not to mention Gibbons.

 

He certainly would have been a good low-risk, high reward pickup for this organization. We've already done well with one TB cast-off and I don't see why we couldn't do the same.

Yea, but the problem is I'm right and we're really going to feel not having bench power this year. Hermida is going to be fine defensively, and the Marlins are probably going to need his bat in the lineup regardless.

 

:lol I LOL'ed.

 

That said, I agree with you. We needed a power hitter. I don't like the Helms signing, but he at least can be useful as a corner IF platooner with solid defense and a bit of pop. The big problem, to me, seems like the FO's inability/unwillingness/whatever to go out and get a 4th OF with some pop.

 

garrett anderson would have been the perfect signing and a steal at only 2.5 million. we should have used the money we gave helms to sign anderson

eh, I would have been pissed if we gave him that much money to be a part time player. Eric Hinske at $1.5 is much better fiscally and performance wise, and only half a million more than Helms is getting per year. Also don't forget Johnny Gomes, Brad Wilkerson, Kevin Millar, Daryle Ward, and Trot Nixon on minor league deals. Not to mention Gibbons.

 

He certainly would have been a good low-risk, high reward pickup for this organization. We've already done well with one TB cast-off and I don't see why we couldn't do the same.

He's prob going to make the Reds. He's having a great Spring.

I'm kind of upset Gibbons is gone. Not only because he was performing well, but also because if Ross or Hermida were to go down, he's really the only one I would have been completely comfortable with in the everyday lineup.

Low cost in backup for the Outfield I believe ADA may get his usual 25 man assignment...Se how long it last this time?

 

After watching ADA play ST games two years ago I have been pulling for this guy. But I also like the way Carroll plays the game. Both have been very unlucky with the injury bug but I think a healthy ADA brings a better bat/OBP to the team. Just not sure how that would hold up being a bench player. Seems to be more of a guy that needs to start regularly to be productive.

 

With the Amazing out for a bit, it sounds like the team, and Fredi in general, is looking for a guy that can play IF and OF. Emilio isn't exactly tearing it up but he does look alot more comfortable from the left side of the plate. And Andino has never been able to hit with any consistency at this level.

There are reports coming out that both Andino and Bonifacio could make the team's final 25

Man they are really hooked on the Chone Figgan's type in the organization!

Hell, even though I don't like his defense, we could still even just bring Gonzo back. I'm sure now it's obvious to him he aint getting a starting gig lol, we didn't offer him arb so it's not like his Type B status matters. Still hits RHP to a upper .700 OPS toon.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the biggest reason we didn't sign him was his PH troubles, which I'd understand (.482 OPS last year PHing). But I really am not worried about PH. I'm worried about if any of our three OFers go down. Or has he already retired?

 

p.s. while bringing up the PH thing, I was thinking, just let Helms PH or w/e, but was wondering if he actually excelled at it. Career PH OPS: .822. Only talking about 250 PA, but, oh well.

Really have to wonder if Beinfest & Co didn't see that problem coming (the 4th OF - Wes Helms thing). They can't be that shortsighted...

 

 

Not like it's a huge issue but it's one that could've been easily taken care of.