I know its early but the guy is by far looking like our worst starting pitcher, even behind Andrew Miller. We need this guy to turn things around. a 7.40 era is not very good. That being said I am not hitting the panic button.

 

It has been a hell of a start. Go Fish.

 

I hope we pull this one out.

I know its early but the guy is by far looking like our worst starting pitcher, even behind Andrew Miller. We need this guy to turn things around. a 7.40 era is not very good. That being said I am not hitting the panic button.

 

It has been a hell of a start. Go Fish.

 

I hope we pull this one out.

 

I still have faith he can turn it around. I'd give him one more start before starting to worry.

 

Miller on the other hand was struggling since 2008.

Ha no one is as bad as andrew miller right now.

 

He didnt start off great last year, maybe hes just a slow starter.

Still not worried about our ace / one of the best pitchers in the NL last year.

Not like his April looked that good last season.

It's so early I wouldn't worry too much but a couple of more crappy starts then worry. Regarding the "ace" talk, one good year does not make a pitcher an "ace".

Frankly, all our starting pitchers seem to be struggling last time through the rotation. Especially in the first inning. It must be an emotional dagger to barely breath on the field and already be down a run or two.

 

I am not too worried about Nolasco. I do think if he continues to pitch at or below average the rotation will be shaken up. By the time Miller comes off the DL, we should have a clearer picture of what is going on with our pitchers (heh). I tell myself they are still young and not one is a proven pitcher yet. Going through growing pains, hopefully this last cycle through will be the only time they all go through it together.

JJ is the ace and always had been. Nolasco just kept the seat warm while JJ was hurt.

JJ is the ace and always had been. Nolasco just kept the seat warm while JJ was hurt.

 

 

JJ or not, Ricky Nolasco pitched like an ace last year. That was my point, and those who want to deny it are wrong.

JJ is the ace and always had been. Nolasco just kept the seat warm while JJ was hurt.

 

 

JJ or not, Ricky Nolasco pitched like an ace last year. That was my point, and those who want to deny it are wrong.

 

 

For part of the year he pitched like an ace

JJ is the ace and always had been. Nolasco just kept the seat warm while JJ was hurt.

 

 

JJ or not, Ricky Nolasco pitched like an ace last year. That was my point, and those who want to deny it are wrong.

 

 

For part of the year he pitched like an ace

JJ? JJ didn't pitch as well as Ricky last year.

I'd take JJ's 08 line over Ricky's 08 line

JJ is the ace and always had been. Nolasco just kept the seat warm while JJ was hurt.

 

 

JJ or not, Ricky Nolasco pitched like an ace last year. That was my point, and those who want to deny it are wrong.

 

 

For part of the year he pitched like an ace

JJ? JJ didn't pitch as well as Ricky last year.

I was talking about ricky. He started off slow.

that is true ricky did start off slow last year but still he needs to avoid bad outings like this nad his control has not been anywhere near as good. also i think his velocity will pick up and he be at 93-95 which was when he was at the top of his game.

JJ is the ace and always had been. Nolasco just kept the seat warm while JJ was hurt.

 

 

JJ or not, Ricky Nolasco pitched like an ace last year. That was my point, and those who want to deny it are wrong.

 

 

For part of the year he pitched like an ace

JJ? JJ didn't pitch as well as Ricky last year.

JJ had a years worth of rust, was never at full strength, and Nolasco was still only marginally better.

I'd take JJ's 08 line over Ricky's 08 line

 

3.52 ERA, 1.102 WHIP, 8.1 H/9, 1.8 BB/9, 7.9 K/9, 4.42 K/BB

3.61 ERA, 1.351 WHIP, 9.4 H/9, 2.8 BB/9, 7.9 K/9, 2.85 K/BB

 

Pick one.

JJ is the ace and always had been. Nolasco just kept the seat warm while JJ was hurt.

 

 

JJ or not, Ricky Nolasco pitched like an ace last year. That was my point, and those who want to deny it are wrong.

 

 

For part of the year he pitched like an ace

JJ? JJ didn't pitch as well as Ricky last year.

JJ had a years worth of rust, was never at full strength, and Nolasco was still only marginally better.

I'm not saying who I think or you think or anyone thinks is the more talented pitcher. I'm talking about something that actually happened. A factual recollection of an effect.

 

And I wouldn't say a WHIP .250 lower is marginal.

I'd take JJ's 08 line over Ricky's 08 line

 

why? Ricky had a better WHIP, better K/BB, a lower ERA, and less H/9. JJ had more K/9, but that's about it.

Dang Rab, you beat me to it.

I know its early but the guy is by far looking like our worst starting pitcher, even behind Andrew Miller. We need this guy to turn things around. a 7.40 era is not very good. That being said I am not hitting the panic button.

 

It has been a hell of a start. Go Fish.

 

I hope we pull this one out.

 

Thanks, I needed a laugh.

That's only looking at the stats that Ricky did (marginally) better than JJ in.

 

JJ completely dominated in power numbers.

 

20% of the hits JJ gave up were XBHs

40% of the hits Ricky gave up were XBHs

 

overall it's rather equal but I'd rather take the guy that limits XBHs.

 

Plus then going forward, add in the fact that Ricky had a low BABIP and JJ had a high BABIP. The argument in which 08 is better, but just saying.

They were pretty close but I think Nolasco had the slightly better year. In addition to what Rab listed out he also allowed a lower OPS.

 

Nolasco - .239 / .278 / .410 / .688

Johnson - .275 / .331 / .393 / .723

That's only looking at the stats that Ricky did (marginally) better than JJ in.

That's looking at the rate stats that people actually look at. That's his "line".

 

And once again, WHIP (which I consider the most important stat of how a pitcher did) was much more than marginal. JJ's WHIP was a bit better than average, Noly's WHIP was the 2nd best in the league.

That's only looking at the stats that Ricky did (marginally) better than JJ in.

That's looking at the rate stats that people actually look at. That's his "line".

 

And once again, WHIP (which I consider the most important stat of how a pitcher did) was much more than marginal. JJ's WHIP was a bit above average, Noly's WHIP was the 2nd best in the league.

 

You didn't even include HR/9 on the list.

 

And WHIP's importance it's overstated because of XBHs. Ricky was a XBH machine. JJ limited them extremely. The much higher GB rate leads to other things, like JJ's 1.24 DP/9 to ricky's 0.47 DP/9.

They were pretty close but I think Nolasco had the slightly better year. In addition to what Rab listed out he also allowed a lower OPS.

 

Nolasco - .239 / .278 / .410 / .688

Johnson - .275 / .331 / .393 / .723

The SLG is a big point. As Nny pointed out, Noly gave up a much higher % XBH, but a barely higher SLG. Why? Because while more of Noly's hits were XBH hits, more of JJ's AB's were hits. A good number more.