If your managing guidebook says Nunez in the 8th and Lindstrom in the 9th and you are going to follow that to the letter, guess what? The Marlins don't need you. Just hang the guideline on the wall and the players can follow it. Don't need you to observe the game and make decisions at all, because you've made them in advance, oblivious to circumstances.

 

I don't blame Lindstrom for the loss. I know he doesn't have much control, which is of course essential to a closer. I wouldn't have him as the team closer tonight or any other night ... not when there are options like Nunez ... who has a better arsenal of pitches.

 

After watching Lindstrom miss three ball pitches to batters by a couple of feet, a couple of times, I'd seen way more than enough to know that the Marlins win would be in jeopardy if you left Lindstrom out there. In fact, I'd venture to say that everyone watching that game knew the Marlins were in trouble if you left Lindstrom out there.

 

You flushed a nice win down the drain. You ensured that there will be fewer fans in the seats the next couple of nights. And I can't even imagine an excuse to help you out.

Very few managers would remove their closer from a situation in which they still have a chance to get a save. Nothing Fredi did tonight is different from what pretty much any manager will do. You need to TRUST your closer, and if you don't leave him in in this situation, it speaks volumes to the closer about your level (or lack of) trust in him, which could create chaos, not just on the baseball field.

 

Really?.... just... really?

 

Is this what it has come down to? I disagree with you 100%.

 

What is the reason the marlins are doing so well with no-names? Because they have everything to lose. They know they can easily be replaced. You freaking take out lindstrom and tell him he did a sh*tty job, period. Don't sugar coat it- tell him he sucked in his face. You'll see what happens next time hes up there.

 

Thats BS when u say "oh no, don't take him out poor guy, you'll hurt his feelings."

 

Please gimme a break - these guys get payed enough to know whats up.

Say what you want (and really, I agree with a lot of you), but before blaming Fredi...notice that most managers in the big leagues would do the same thing.

I'm sorry, but its hard to think that if boneheaded hanley had not been such a dumbass on the base pads after the 0 out double, we would have scored to make it 4-0 and then Nunez would have probably finished the game.

 

I think you have throw out all that talk of "well most managers would have gone closer in that spot".... well, out closer is unproven and the guy that pitched the 8th inning sat down the phils in order and with great effectiveness

 

Hind sight is 20/20 but I and everyone with me in the box could see that Lindstrom was going to lose us the game when he walked home the run to make it 3-2

Lindstrom has two pitches...

 

99mph fastball way low and out of the zone

 

and 99mph meatball right down the middle (When Victorino can hit a HR off of you and all he needs to do is slap a hit into the outfield to get the tie or the lead.... thats really really bad)

 

I could see that HR coming a MILE away-

Lindstrom has two pitches...

 

99mph fastball way low and out of the zone

 

and 99mph meatball right down the middle (When Victorino can hit a HR off of you and all he needs to do is slap a hit into the outfield to get the tie or the lead.... thats really really bad)

 

I could see that HR coming a MILE away-

He also throws a very good slider that is never ever ever ever ever ever ever called.

Lindstrom has two pitches...

 

99mph fastball way low and out of the zone

 

and 99mph meatball right down the middle (When Victorino can hit a HR off of you and all he needs to do is slap a hit into the outfield to get the tie or the lead.... thats really really bad)

 

I could see that HR coming a MILE away-

He also throws a very good slider that is never ever ever ever ever ever ever called.

 

 

I was watching the game in person and had a big screen tv right next to me.... Its been a while since i've seen a close be so ineffective... It was hard to watch, especially after the 8th inning that Nunez had

 

I just hate managing by the book instead of going with the hot hand.

Lindstrom has two pitches...

 

99mph fastball way low and out of the zone

 

and 99mph meatball right down the middle (When Victorino can hit a HR off of you and all he needs to do is slap a hit into the outfield to get the tie or the lead.... thats really really bad)

 

I could see that HR coming a MILE away-

He also throws a very good slider that is never ever ever ever ever ever ever called.

 

 

I was watching the game in person and had a big screen tv right next to me.... Its been a while since i've seen a close be so ineffective... It was hard to watch, especially after the 8th inning that Nunez had

 

I just hate managing by the book instead of going with the hot hand.

No one has been a bigger proponent of Lindstrom and I have been saying that he should be closing games since his injury. The biggest mistake the FO made was not putting him on the DL retroactive to March 28.

Lindstrom has two pitches...

 

99mph fastball way low and out of the zone

 

and 99mph meatball right down the middle (When Victorino can hit a HR off of you and all he needs to do is slap a hit into the outfield to get the tie or the lead.... thats really really bad)

 

I could see that HR coming a MILE away-

He also throws a very good slider that is never ever ever ever ever ever ever called.

 

 

I was watching the game in person and had a big screen tv right next to me.... Its been a while since i've seen a close be so ineffective... It was hard to watch, especially after the 8th inning that Nunez had

 

I just hate managing by the book instead of going with the hot hand.

 

 

 

 

 

This is funny because I have NEVER seen you criticize Fredi Gonzalez.

I remember last year on the GDT when me & a couple others criticized a couple of his moves, and you proceeded to call me "Ericka" the rest of the year...saying "it's easy to criticize when you're sitting behind your computer" blah, blah, blah.

 

Hooray for the double standard. :thumbup

Lindstrom has two pitches...

 

99mph fastball way low and out of the zone

 

and 99mph meatball right down the middle (When Victorino can hit a HR off of you and all he needs to do is slap a hit into the outfield to get the tie or the lead.... thats really really bad)

 

I could see that HR coming a MILE away-

He also throws a very good slider that is never ever ever ever ever ever ever called.

 

 

I was watching the game in person and had a big screen tv right next to me.... Its been a while since i've seen a close be so ineffective... It was hard to watch, especially after the 8th inning that Nunez had

 

I just hate managing by the book instead of going with the hot hand.

No one has been a bigger proponent of Lindstrom and I have been saying that he should be closing games since his injury. The biggest mistake the FO made was not putting him on the DL retroactive to March 28.

 

 

He's not hurt anymore.

2 things need to get done!!

 

1- taking Lindstrom out of closer

2- taking Bonerface out of the lead of spot (17k/4BB) not a lead off hitter

 

2- Who do you suggest? Maybin is 18Ks/5BB, so I hope not him.

 

I say throw Han Ram back into the one spot.

2 things need to get done!!

 

1- taking Lindstrom out of closer

2- taking Bonerface out of the lead of spot (17k/4BB) not a lead off hitter

 

2- Who do you suggest? Maybin is 18Ks/5BB, so I hope not him.

 

I say throw Han Ram back into the one spot.

 

 

We need his power and ability to knock in runs further back in the line-up.

Honestly, I'd rather see Hermida/Baker/Hanley at the top, Cantu/Uggla/Ross/Maybin/Pitcher/Bonifacio. That gets our best OBP guys in front of Hanley, which is important.

Lindstrom has two pitches...

 

99mph fastball way low and out of the zone

 

and 99mph meatball right down the middle (When Victorino can hit a HR off of you and all he needs to do is slap a hit into the outfield to get the tie or the lead.... thats really really bad)

 

I could see that HR coming a MILE away-

He also throws a very good slider that is never ever ever ever ever ever ever called.

 

 

I was watching the game in person and had a big screen tv right next to me.... Its been a while since i've seen a close be so ineffective... It was hard to watch, especially after the 8th inning that Nunez had

 

I just hate managing by the book instead of going with the hot hand.

 

 

 

 

 

This is funny because I have NEVER seen you criticize Fredi Gonzalez.

I remember last year on the GDT when me & a couple others criticized a couple of his moves, and you proceeded to call me "Ericka" the rest of the year...saying "it's easy to criticize when you're sitting behind your computer" blah, blah, blah.

 

Hooray for the double standard. :thumbup

 

Just because I've never been critical of Fredi doesnt mean that I can't ever be critical of him ...

 

If I think I should defend certain moves he makes, I will. If I disagree with him leaving the pitcher in that game that is throwing meatballs and starting each batter with 2 ball counts, I will.

 

No double standard because I never said "you never should be critical of Fredi" or "Fredi is the perfect manager in baseball"

 

once you find those qoutes, let me know, Ericka... :thumbup

If your managing guidebook says Nunez in the 8th and Lindstrom in the 9th and you are going to follow that to the letter, guess what? The Marlins don't need you. Just hang the guideline on the wall and the players can follow it. Don't need you to observe the game and make decisions at all, because you've made them in advance, oblivious to circumstances.

 

I don't blame Lindstrom for the loss. I know he doesn't have much control, which is of course essential to a closer. I wouldn't have him as the team closer tonight or any other night ... not when there are options like Nunez ... who has a better arsenal of pitches.

 

After watching Lindstrom miss three ball pitches to batters by a couple of feet, a couple of times, I'd seen way more than enough to know that the Marlins win would be in jeopardy if you left Lindstrom out there. In fact, I'd venture to say that everyone watching that game knew the Marlins were in trouble if you left Lindstrom out there.

 

You flushed a nice win down the drain. You ensured that there will be fewer fans in the seats the next couple of nights. And I can't even imagine an excuse to help you out.

Very few managers would remove their closer from a situation in which they still have a chance to get a save. Nothing Fredi did tonight is different from what pretty much any manager will do. You need to TRUST your closer, and if you don't leave him in in this situation, it speaks volumes to the closer about your level (or lack of) trust in him, which could create chaos, not just on the baseball field.

 

Really?.... just... really?

 

Is this what it has come down to? I disagree with you 100%.

 

What is the reason the marlins are doing so well with no-names? Because they have everything to lose. They know they can easily be replaced. You freaking take out lindstrom and tell him he did a sh*tty job, period. Don't sugar coat it- tell him he sucked in his face. You'll see what happens next time hes up there.

 

Thats BS when u say "oh no, don't take him out poor guy, you'll hurt his feelings."

 

Please gimme a break - these guys get payed enough to know whats up.

Hey, I'm not saying I agree with what I posted, but I'm just trying to give you an idea of why no manager does this. They let their closer fail numerous times before even replacing him, let alone taking him out in a key situation.

Well, here's a blown game you can't blame on lindstrom.

 

Nunez gets the blown save tonight.

 

Logan Kensing does not belong on a MLB roster.

I do have to scratch my head about using 3 pitchers to get 3 outs in a one run game. You are just looking for trouble with a new pitcher having to come in and warm up.

Logan Kensing does not belong on a MLB roster.

 

See sig.

Why did we keep Kensing over DLC seriously

Why did we keep Kensing over DLC seriously

 

 

Because we need a pre-game show.

Why did we keep Kensing over DLC seriously

 

 

Because we need a pre-game show.

 

To top it off, we just DFA'd Logan Kensing

 

Tendering him a contract in the first place was rather meh

 

Then they DFA DLC to keep Kensing

 

And Kensing lasts a grand total of 16 games :banghead

Why did we keep Kensing over DLC seriously

 

Well last night DLC gave up 2 runs in 2 innings, including 5 walks. They are both as bad as each other.

Lindstrom has two pitches...

 

99mph fastball way low and out of the zone

 

and 99mph meatball right down the middle (When Victorino can hit a HR off of you and all he needs to do is slap a hit into the outfield to get the tie or the lead.... thats really really bad)

 

I could see that HR coming a MILE away-

He also throws a very good slider that is never ever ever ever ever ever ever called.

 

I wonder why that is. Which one dosen't have the confidence in it. Him or Baker. I don't see him shaking off any calls, so I'm assuming Baker isn't calling for it. Either he dosen't like the pitch or he isn't comfortable in his ability to block it should it hit the dirt in front of him. But of course I have no idea what they are saying to each other between games either.

 

Last night many here got their wish and Leo was our closer. Didn't work out real well. But is it the pitcher or the pitch selection?

Lindstrom has two pitches...

 

99mph fastball way low and out of the zone

 

and 99mph meatball right down the middle (When Victorino can hit a HR off of you and all he needs to do is slap a hit into the outfield to get the tie or the lead.... thats really really bad)

 

I could see that HR coming a MILE away-

He also throws a very good slider that is never ever ever ever ever ever ever called.

 

I wonder why that is. Which one dosen't have the confidence in it. Him or Baker. I don't see him shaking off any calls, so I'm assuming Baker isn't calling for it. Either he dosen't like the pitch or he isn't comfortable in his ability to block it should it hit the dirt in front of him. But of course I have no idea what they are saying to each other between games either.

 

Last night many here got their wish and Leo was our closer. Didn't work out real well. But is it the pitcher or the pitch selection?

 

Good point BB. I know for a fact Baker calls mostly fastballs and there isn't much shaking going on. It makes you wonder (and for those reading way into this; I'm not making excuses)?