May 25, 200917 yr It seems as though a number of people on this board are always hating on bonifacio yet still do not share similar sentiments towards uggla and coghlan which makes NO sense to me (from a strictly offensive production standpoint). I was hoping that those of you that have this view of still wanting uggla in the lineup but bonifacio out of it to share why you think so. I am honestly just curious (not trying to start an argument or anything).
May 25, 200917 yr IMO its becasue Uggla still produces runs and we are used to him being streaky like this. Coghlan is a rookie so he's not really worried about, but Bonifacio does nothing for this team and is a HUGE waste of talent. He went from hero to ZERO in a heartbeat and yet he continues to start and bat leadoff.
May 25, 200917 yr I love everybody on this team, shouldn't anybody else who is a fan of this team? Now you look stupid.
May 25, 200917 yr Bonifacio has legit talent. He's just lost his confidence right now and needs to be taken out of that leadoff spot. Throw him at the 8 spot or send him down to AAA for a few weeks and let him gain his confidence back or he's going to struggle all season. I don't see him as being any different than Uggla or Coghlan at the moment.
May 25, 200917 yr Well uggla has hit some homers lately so thats taken some heat off of him. Also Dan started off pretty well and was just hitting balls right at guys. As for Coghlan he just got here.. I think the hate for boner is where he hits. If he was lower in the order i dont think he get as much crap.
May 25, 200917 yr Author I love everybody on this team, shouldn't anybody else who is a fan of this team? Now you look stupid. what are you talking about? i love uggla and coghlan is showing great potential. I was just curious about why others hate on bonifcaio and not uggla because ugglas line is not so good right now.
May 25, 200917 yr Bonifacio has legit talent. He's just lost his confidence right now and needs to be taken out of that leadoff spot. Throw him at the 8 spot or send him down to AAA for a few weeks and let him gain his confidence back or he's going to struggle all season. I don't see him as being any different than Uggla or Coghlan at the moment. I wouldnt say he has legit talent. He has never been projected to be very good, his career in the minors showed his lack of plate discipline, etc.
May 25, 200917 yr Bonifacio has legit talent. He's just lost his confidence right now and needs to be taken out of that leadoff spot. Throw him at the 8 spot or send him down to AAA for a few weeks and let him gain his confidence back or he's going to struggle all season. I don't see him as being any different than Uggla or Coghlan at the moment. I wouldnt say he has legit talent. He has never been projected to be very good, his career in the minors showed his lack of plate discipline, etc. He is very raw, but he has the ability to be dangerous in many facets. He's a weak major league player, but a major league player nonetheless.
May 25, 200917 yr I don't think Boni should hit leadoff anymore either, but I don't want Hanley back the in leadoff spot. I wouldn't mind trying Hermida there.
May 25, 200917 yr Bonifacio has legit talent. He's just lost his confidence right now and needs to be taken out of that leadoff spot. Throw him at the 8 spot or send him down to AAA for a few weeks and let him gain his confidence back or he's going to struggle all season. I don't see him as being any different than Uggla or Coghlan at the moment. How can he be a legit talent when he has NEVER produced in the minors numbers worthy of being an everyday major leaguer... His talents start, and end with his speed, and what good is speed when you can't hit, and when you do you get thrown out cus your base running skills suck. Uggla every year starts slow, and usually picks it up after May... Ross is about the same kind of hitter so im not worried about them at all. As for as Hermida well he is what he is... But Bonifraudio shouldn't be playing on anyones roster. And Uggla, and Ross are at least productive while they aren't on fire! I mean they at least drive some runs in, and get some clutch hits, and hit home runs which produces numbers for the club. Bonifraudio does nothing but strike out, get thrown out while looking lost standing at first, and boot balls at 3b. (Thought he was supposed to be a defensive upgrade? LIES!!)
May 25, 200917 yr It makes perfect sense in two aspects. Vs Uggla, one is a fringe prospect who's been projected to be a bench player and the other is a two time Major League All-Star. Vs Coghlan, it makes a bit less sense, but at least Coghlan has been projected to be a major league starter. Plus he hasn't been here as long. Take it a bit longer and it will be the same thing.
May 25, 200917 yr It makes perfect sense in two aspects. Vs Uggla, one is a fringe prospect who's been projected to be a bench player and the other is a two time Major League All-Star. Vs Coghlan, it makes a bit less sense, but at least Coghlan has been projected to be a major league starter. Plus he hasn't been here as long. Take it a bit longer and it will be the same thing. Good post... I agree 100%
May 25, 200917 yr Bonifacio has legit talent. He's just lost his confidence right now and needs to be taken out of that leadoff spot. Throw him at the 8 spot or send him down to AAA for a few weeks and let him gain his confidence back or he's going to struggle all season. I don't see him as being any different than Uggla or Coghlan at the moment. How can he be a legit talent when he has NEVER produced in the minors numbers worthy of being an everyday major leaguer... His talents start, and end with his speed, and what good is speed when you can't hit, and when you do you get thrown out cus your base running skills suck. Uggla every year starts slow, and usually picks it up after May... Ross is about the same kind of hitter so im not worried about them at all. As for as Hermida well he is what he is... But Bonifraudio shouldn't be playing on anyones roster. And Uggla, and Ross are at least productive while they aren't on fire! I mean they at least drive some runs in, and get some clutch hits, and hit home runs which produces numbers for the club. Bonifraudio does nothing but strike out, get thrown out while looking lost standing at first, and boot balls at 3b. (Thought he was supposed to be a defensive upgrade? LIES!!) Like I said, I don't think he should be the leadoff man. I also don't think he's better than Uggla. At the moment, they're all playing like crap. Bonifacio has shown he does have something. I'm not expecting someone with a signature like yours to have much of an open mind when he comes up to bat though.
May 25, 200917 yr It may have something to do with Uggla having already demonstrated the ability to produce, and Coghlan not being here as long.
May 25, 200917 yr Bonifraudio does nothing but strike out, get thrown out while looking lost standing at first, and boot balls at 3b. (Thought he was supposed to be a defensive upgrade? LIES!!) If he does nothing but strike out, how the hell does he get thrown out at first as by your logic, he'd never get there??? Proves my point, really.
May 25, 200917 yr It may have something to do with Uggla having already demonstrated the ability to produce, and Coghlan not being here as long. I have yet to become a big Chris fan. He never showed anything the last 2 STs to warrant the love he gets around here. Or during this call up, with the exception of Sunday's game. Certainly nothing to warrant the cold showers so many need to take every time his name is mentioned. He has shown improvement on his defense, so I'll give him credit there. Uggla is a two time AS that can go long. He gets a pass from the posters. Simple as that. Boni was never liked here, aside from that very first week. Reasons are very simple. Traded away a board fav in Hammer to get him and the chilish nickname of "Bonerface" immediately surfaced. Strike One. Beat out another unwarranted board fav in Dallas for the 3B position. Strike Two. Slap hitter that won't hit the long ball so his SLG% and OPS are going to be low. Dosen't matter that he could go the next 20 games, get on base 2 or 3 times in each, and be responsible for a good hunk of the runs that cross the plate. Alot here will still lead off each post with "But he....." Strike Three. Isn't it obvious why no one here is a GM or coach? Just like radio call in shows where folks call in to demonstrate why they aren't working in any capacity for any team at any level, the exaggerated posts keep coming. I just keep smiling, watching things progress, and wait for the day when some start saying they always liked him. Pretty much like they were saying that first week.
May 25, 200917 yr It may have something to do with Uggla having already demonstrated the ability to produce, and Coghlan not being here as long. I have yet to become a big Chris fan. He never showed anything the last 2 STs to warrant the love he gets around here. Or during this call up, with the exception of Sunday's game. Certainly nothing to warrant the cold showers so many need to take every time his name is mentioned. He has shown improvement on his defense, so I'll give him credit there. Uggla is a two time AS that can go long. He gets a pass from the posters. Simple as that. Boni was never liked here, aside from that very first week. Reasons are very simple. Traded away a board fav in Hammer to get him and the chilish nickname of "Bonerface" immediately surfaced. Strike One. Beat out another unwarranted board fav in Dallas for the 3B position. Strike Two. Slap hitter that won't hit the long ball so his SLG% and OPS are going to be low. Dosen't matter that he could go the next 20 games, get on base 2 or 3 times in each, and be responsible for a good hunk of the runs that cross the plate. Alot here will still lead off each post with "But he....." Strike Three. Isn't it obvious why no one here is a GM or coach? Just like radio call in shows where folks call in to demonstrate why they aren't working in any capacity for any team at any level, the exaggerated posts keep coming. I just keep smiling, watching things progress, and wait for the day when some start saying they always liked him. Pretty much like they were saying that first week. The problem is that he has scored only 2 runs in the past 10 games. Hermida playing a spot below him has 6, Hanley has 5, Cody has 10 etc. Looking at other leadoff hitters, Willy Taveras has 7 runs in past 10 games, Reyes has 7, BJ Upton has 9 with his miraculous .195 avg. The list goes on and on. To be successful we cannot have Bonifacio leading off.
May 25, 200917 yr And yet he's getting on base more consistently game to game than any other Marlin. There's no question he's not getting on base enough but unless a prerequisite is stealing home to score a run the problem is a combination of the situation when he gets a hit (for example with two outs) and the batter's performances hitting behind him. He can't drive himself in. And for the season he's scored 25 runs, third on the team to Ramirez and Baker which isn't surprising. Of course hitting .240 over the last month doesn't help and I've said over and over he's not getting on base enough even if he's getting a hit a night more or less (the last 14/16 games) but I guess what I object to is the hyperbole, the "he's the worst...", he "always ____________...", "he never produced in the minors..." even though he hit .314/.361 in AAA in 2008, he "never was considered..." he was heir apparent to Orlando Hudson, minor league all-star and Futures game participant, "all he does is strikeout..." is such BS it's not worth commenting on. This is, while unofficially his rookie season (in the sense the first where he's had a chance to start as opposed to a mid or late season call up and getting only limited playing time) and he has a lot to learn and will continue to make mistakes throughout that learning process. The FO and the manager may not stick with him if they start trading and acquire a more seasoned third baseman, and I think he needs a break to rethink his game, but if he continues to show some improvement(striking out less for example) and contributes even modestly (currently hitting .290/.324 at home, let's see what he does against the Phillies on the road, it will be very telling) he's not the liability a number of you like to paint.
May 25, 200917 yr I think hating Bonifacio is idiotic...Get mad at Fredi/and or the front office for batting him lead off. This team is demonstrating that we are pretenders and not true contenders. Our place is at the bottom of the NL east. On a team like this, a Bonifacio batting 250 and providing adequate defense at 3rd base in perfectly fine.
May 25, 200917 yr He is our unquestioned (in the eyes of management) leadoff hitter and he ranks 164 in baseball in ops and 159 in obp. That's why he deserves hate. You guys can go and say 'he's improving!' or 'you are just haters who want to see him fail', but the the facts are right there in plain black and white. .300 is generally considered the 'mendoza line' for obp. Most guys with .300 obp struggle to get pt, especially those with no real track record. This guy has an iron grip on our leadoff spot. That's why I 'hate' on him. And for all that speed, he's on pace for about 30 steals at a really bad (>70%) rate. So you've got a guy who is hurting you at the plate, runs the bases poorly, and is learning a new position in the field. At doe point, I'd like to see the front office actually hold him accountable for his crap play, like they did with maybin this season and hermida last season. But we all know that won't happen. And I'm not even advocating for coghlan to start over him. Ride it out, but once gaby comes back, they should swap spots on the nola roster. Unless amezaga is still hurt, then let him be a super sub. But starting him and batting him leadoff is dumb.
May 25, 200917 yr I just don't understand the praise Coghlan is getting. Yes, he's young and he only has had 47 at bats, but his stats are horrible. His batting average is .191, he strikes out at one fourth of his at bats (12), he has 9 hits, all singles except for one HR, and one stolen base. It is painfully obvious that he is an infielder playing out of position. His defense reminds me of a ballerina in left field. He takes horrible routes to the ball. He can't play the teal monster at all. Several times he has crashed into the wall reaching for the ball as it hits about 5 feet above his glove. I saw him play the bounce of the wall well only one time. He may someday, hopefully, be a superstar, but so far he has not been impressive. We should reserve our praise for him for when it is deserved.
May 25, 200917 yr And yet he's getting on base more consistently game to game than any other Marlin. No.
May 25, 200917 yr He is our unquestioned (in the eyes of management) leadoff hitter and he ranks 164 in baseball in ops and 159 in obp. That's why he deserves hate. You guys can go and say 'he's improving!' or 'you are just haters who want to see him fail', but the the facts are right there in plain black and white. .300 is generally considered the 'mendoza line' for obp. Most guys with .300 obp struggle to get pt, especially those with no real track record. This guy has an iron grip on our leadoff spot. That's why I 'hate' on him. And for all that speed, he's on pace for about 30 steals at a really bad (>70%) rate. So you've got a guy who is hurting you at the plate, runs the bases poorly, and is learning a new position in the field. At doe point, I'd like to see the front office actually hold him accountable for his crap play, like they did with maybin this season and hermida last season. But we all know that won't happen. And I'm not even advocating for coghlan to start over him. Ride it out, but once gaby comes back, they should swap spots on the nola roster. Unless amezaga is still hurt, then let him be a super sub. But starting him and batting him leadoff is dumb. I actually don't disagree with most of this except the refusal to acknowledge improvement in some areas that would even out your comments, but that's your choice. I agree, and have been saying that he shouldn't be above getting yanked for a day or so to get his priorities straight and refocused on the game as at least a first step, he improving in enough areas that absent a legitimate third base replacement coming here in a trade he can expect to continue trotting out there every night and hopefully in doing so continues to get better that the position and more comfortable at the plate.
May 25, 200917 yr And yet he's getting on base more consistently game to game than any other Marlin. No. And how many other Marlins have gotten on base the last sixteen games in a row?
May 25, 200917 yr His improvements don't outweigh his serious deficiencies as aplayer. He still doesn't walk, hit for power or makegood enough contact to make up for those shortcomings. He runs himself off the bases too muchand has shown zero Improvement in that regard. Sure, he's gotten on base at least once over the last 16 games. He's run himself off via pick off or cs 5 times as well.
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