does anyone know what our bullpen currently ranks in the nl?

 

 

 

http://espn.go.com/m...t/128/league/nl

 

 

Thanks, we have a vegood bullpen

Am I the only guy that thinks our team is a little light on guys to use against LHP?

 

Probably.

 

We have 5 non-pitcher lefty bats. Hermida, Baker, Coghlan, Johnson and Gload.

 

With 13 pitchers, we have 6 right-handers. Ramirez, Cantu, Uggla, Ross, Helms and Paulino.

 

Bonifacio is a SH, not that he much matters from one side or the other.

 

Most teams would be delighted to have that balance and that many lefty bats, considering that the majority of pitchers are right-handed. We have 2 RH bats off the bench (plus Bonifacio) and one lefty (plus Bonifacio.) What's the problem?

Boner playing CF troubles me. I can't see how they expect to compete with that possibility.

 

 

One, he hasn't yet been forced into service.

 

Two, if he was, and some injury put Ross onto the DL, Carroll could be IMMEDIATELY recalled (10-day DL exception) if they are uncomfortable with Bonifacio or he proves himself to be not up to the job.

 

Believe it or not, the FO knows what they are doing.

I said:

 

Most teams would be delighted to have that balance and that many lefty bats, considering that the majority of pitchers are right-handed.

 

Further on that, Philly has 8 lefties. Howard, Utley, Ibanez and Bako, plus Rollins and Victorino switch-hitting, plus Dobbs and Stairs off the bench, all legitimate left-handed hitters. Versus 5 right-handers-only, 7 including SHs.

 

You'll note that Rollins and Victorino hit mostly lefty because of the predominance of right-handed pitchers.

 

Not to mention 6 lefty-hitting pitchers of the 12 they carry. Philly may be on to something, they are leading the division.

 

Why they have so many lefty pitchers is another question entirely. Their dream-staff is probably 5 old junk-throwing guys like Moyer who fool guys like Uggla (and almost everyone else, too) regularly.

I was hoping Lindstrom wouldn't be back until September.

Is one of those demotions to make room for Lindstrom? Or are they bringing Maybin up?

 

 

 

It's for Lindstrom. Incredible isn't it? A guy who has hit lefties well and provided great defense gets sent down for a guy who has posted a 1.9 WHIP this year. Yipee!

 

Think about it a little more. First they are going to look at Lindy's numbers post call up. Leo has appeared in 6 more games than he has ever seen in his career and is only 6.1 innings from his career high. In this heat and humidity, in an unfamiar, pressure cooker of a role now. His last 3 or 4 appearances have been a little scarey. Personally I like him better as the set up man IF Lindy can show he has his stuff worked out. If Lindy can't show his worth then everyone can blame Fredi for running Leo out there too much if he gets injured and/or starts to stink it up real bad.

 

Incredible? Not at all. We needed 13 pitchers on the roster until someone can effectively fill that 5 slot. I like BC alot but he was still K'ing about once in every 3.7 ABs ( I believe one of the worst on the team), something the FO wanted to cut back on in the off season. For all the bashing Boni gets, he still can play alot of positions (everything but 1B, pitcher, and catcher), hits lefties well, and it looks like they are grooming him for the 2B job next season. Neither have reached their potential as of yet, but the choice seemed obvious.

Who can play center if Cody goes down?

 

 

Bonifacio. If I remember correctly, Fredi has already said he will get some starts there.

 

He will get some starts at alot of positions. But if Cody hits the DL Maybin is in CF. Deservedly so.

I really don't think Carroll will be down much more than the ten day minimum.

 

 

Probably correct. If RVH can continue his progress and someone can fill that 5 slot. If that's Hopper, fine. Kinda like the FO are crossing their collective fingers hoping just that. And that adding Johnson sparks this offense in ways other than just his own numbers to take some pressure off the pen. The price for pitchers was far too high, so this is what we have to work with. And it ain't bad at all.

I have no problem with the moves. People are forgetting that Gload can play the corner OF spots. Plus, I doubt Carroll will be down too long.

I was hoping Lindstrom wouldn't be back until September.

 

 

Same here. Even as shaky as Nunez has looked lately I don't think I can handle the stress of Lindstrom closing crucial games down the stretch. I'd have him on a very short leash.

so why did we bring up gaby in the first place if we didnt play him? to avoid these seemingly nonsensical decisions i have a proposal. its quite simple. send boni down

I've slept on this move and after considering the options we have, I am not going to complain about this move. I mean Carroll will be up soon, no doubt. Then we can continue the BC and CC show, because that is what is important in life

Incredible? Not at all. We needed 13 pitchers on the roster until someone can effectively fill that 5 slot. I like BC alot but he was still K'ing about once in every 3.7 ABs ( I believe one of the worst on the team), something the FO wanted to cut back on in the off season. For all the bashing Boni gets, he still can play alot of positions (everything but 1B, pitcher, and catcher), hits lefties well, and it looks like they are grooming him for the 2B job next season. Neither have reached their potential as of yet, but the choice seemed obvious.

 

 

It'd be cool if you actually read previous discussions on this topic that you were involved in.

 

From the previous Matt Lindstrom thread, I said this:

 

Leo Nunez threw 144 innings in A ball in 2004.

He threw 92 in 2007 between the majors and minors.

 

I'm not saying minor league innings and major league innings are the same or put the same stress on the arm, but he's not even close to his career high in innings pitched.

You gotta think they're gonna add an OF through waivers... right?

 

I know Maybin needs ABs to get better but just bring him up now. Would have liked to see Carroll stay for the time being.

Fredi pretty much said that we sent them down so we could go with 13 pitchers today. I have a feeling that the next time we see an outfielder called up, it won't necessarily be BC. Especially if it occurs within that 10-day window which is a very real possibility.

Who else could it be? Maybin?

de aza's on the 40 man and could fill the void until BC's 10 days are up

 

Jai too

so why did we bring up gaby in the first place if we didnt play him? to avoid these seemingly nonsensical decisions i have a proposal. its quite simple. send boni down

 

 

They called up Gaby Sanchez because they had no idea they would acquire Nick Johnson.

Who else could it be? Maybin?

 

 

We have a winner. I'm not saying a Maybin call-up is imminent but he brings a lot of the same things to the table that BC does, only his potential to be an impact player is much higher. The team isn't going to forget the contributions that Brett has made, but the reality is that Brett's big moments at the plate aren't necessarily going to keep happening. If I were the team and I was asking myself which outfielder was going to provide some sparks going down the stretch, I might be inclined to go with the guy who is a physical freak and who hit .500 in September last year and who is hitting well over .300 in AAA now.

 

I'm not the biggest Maybin supporter either and I've been all for giving him a lot of time in AAA to work on his approach at the plate. But for the stretch run, the team will easily put that aside if it feels that Maybin is the spark it needs. I can't speak for how the organization views Maybin right now, only I can say its evident they agreed with me on keeping him in AAA for a while. The fact that BC is already down in AAA makes calling up Maybin much easier because the hard part has already been made- the demoting of a well-liked player.

de aza's on the 40 man and could fill the void until BC's 10 days are up

 

Jai too

 

 

I wouldn't count out De Aza being called up especially within the 10 day limit. He showed that he can be somewhat useful off the bench by providing some nice pinch hit at bats during his time with us. In fact, HR aside, I think De Aza is a much better pure pinch hitter than BC because he is less likely to go up their wildly swinging.

De Aza is also having a good year at NOLA: .295/.353/.500/.853

 

You have to assume the SLG is an abberation, just 200 some ABs, but that's still impressive.

 

But De Aza isn't good defensively.

Incredible? Not at all. We needed 13 pitchers on the roster until someone can effectively fill that 5 slot. I like BC alot but he was still K'ing about once in every 3.7 ABs ( I believe one of the worst on the team), something the FO wanted to cut back on in the off season. For all the bashing Boni gets, he still can play alot of positions (everything but 1B, pitcher, and catcher), hits lefties well, and it looks like they are grooming him for the 2B job next season. Neither have reached their potential as of yet, but the choice seemed obvious.

 

 

It'd be cool if you actually read previous discussions on this topic that you were involved in.

 

From the previous Matt Lindstrom thread, I said this:

 

Leo Nunez threw 144 innings in A ball in 2004.

He threw 92 in 2007 between the majors and minors.

 

I'm not saying minor league innings and major league innings are the same or put the same stress on the arm, but he's not even close to his career high in innings pitched.

 

It'd be cool if you didn't think everything was all about you. Or if you could comprehend what you are reading. I was responding DIRECTLY to Erick's post in THIS thread.

 

It's been quite apparent for some time now all you want to do is get arguments going with me. Pick them more wisely.

De Aza is also having a good year at NOLA: .295/.353/.500/.853

 

You have to assume the SLG is an abberation, just 200 some ABs, but that's still impressive.

 

But De Aza isn't good defensively.

 

 

To be honest we haen't seen much of his defense this year at this level. He does cover alot of ground, pretty important at this ball park. And I would say his defense is much better than "isn't good."

 

I hadn't even thought of ADA. But it sounds like the better choice than Jai right now. Of course after Saturday's outing by Hopper, 13 pitchers sounds pretty good right now, too.

It'd be cool if you didn't think everything was all about you. Or if you could comprehend what you are reading. I was responding DIRECTLY to Erick's post in THIS thread.

 

It's been quite apparent for some time now all you want to do is get arguments going with me. Pick them more wisely.

 

 

Wow.

 

So despite the fact that I've now twice posted irrefutable proof that what you are saying is wrong, you're going to keep saying it aren't you?

 

Is this response because I quoted the wrong part of your post?

 

Either way, to keep on saying "He's close to his career high in innings pitched" is just absolutely dumb and false.

De Aza is also having a good year at NOLA: .295/.353/.500/.853

 

You have to assume the SLG is an abberation, just 200 some ABs, but that's still impressive.

 

But De Aza isn't good defensively.

 

 

To be honest we haen't seen much of his defense this year at this level. He does cover alot of ground, pretty important at this ball park. And I would say his defense is much better than "isn't good."

 

I hadn't even thought of ADA. But it sounds like the better choice than Jai right now. Of course after Saturday's outing by Hopper, 13 pitchers sounds pretty good right now, too.

What do you mean "at this level"? Are you trying to say that it's harder to catch a fly ball in the bigs than in the minors?