Do you believe the Marlins will make the playoffs before they move into the new stadium? It's been six years and it feels like forever. I don't want them to become one of those loser teams like Kansas City and Milwaukee that are out of postseason for 20+ years. This sucks.

Without reliable pitching, absolutely not.

 

We won't go anywhere with hot bats and one good starter. Hanley and Coghlan can't carry the team forever and that leaves Nolasco, Volstad, and others to blow it.

I really want us to, but it seems like we lose steam in august/september every year... So, I really don't know. I believe most of our players will be very good in the future, but then again, will they be with us in the future??? Yeah, I'm feeling a bit pessimistic right now.

Watch what you are saying, you must not say anything negative about the team, m/o, their will not make the playoff this year.

I think having the Marlins make the postseason and win the WS in '97 and '03 has made us incredibly spoiled as fans. Make no mistake, this is a difficult feat.

 

 

On that note, I think we have a fair chance to make it to the playoffs given the pieces that we have only if we are capable of ADDING to the team unlike the deals we made last offseason. The team is full of potential, if only we can live up to it....

Depends.

 

All we really really were missing this year was some reliable starting pitching and a 1B/3B for a full season. If we had Nick Johnson from the start instead of Bonifacio, I think we'd be in much better position, just for all the runs he could've helped create.

 

If Maybin can get off to a better start next season as well, that could really help our chances. Plus we will no doubt see Morrison at some point next year.

 

I want to say that yes, we can make the playoffs before the new stadium.

I really want us to, but it seems like we lose steam in august/september every year... So, I really don't know. I believe most of our players will be very good in the future, but then again, will they be with us in the future??? Yeah, I'm feeling a bit pessimistic right now.

 

 

Key words.

I really want us to, but it seems like we lose steam in august/september every year... So, I really don't know. I believe most of our players will be very good in the future, but then again, will they be with us in the future??? Yeah, I'm feeling a bit pessimistic right now.

 

 

Key words.

 

Well, who exactly are you talking about?

 

By the time the stadium opens, we will still have Maybin, Stanton, Morrison, Coghlan, Hanley, (possibly) Baker. Unless of course there is some kind of amazing deal that we can't help but make, but I doubt that.

when they replace fredi with a hardass.

I really want us to, but it seems like we lose steam in august/september every year... So, I really don't know. I believe most of our players will be very good in the future, but then again, will they be with us in the future??? Yeah, I'm feeling a bit pessimistic right now.

 

 

Key words.

 

Well, who exactly are you talking about?

 

By the time the stadium opens, we will still have Maybin, Stanton, Morrison, Coghlan, Hanley, (possibly) Baker. Unless of course there is some kind of amazing deal that we can't help but make, but I doubt that.

 

If the question is for me, nobody particularly, I just quitted trying to decipher the FO priorities and/or intentions, I won't speculate on that matter. We'll see.

this is amazing the rockies are losing and we blow a perfect chance. i was actually confident with ricky on the mound but its been that kind of year for him.

 

the starters have really been terrible this year and you cannot win like that. blew another chance to gain as the season dwindles.

this is amazing the rockies are losing and we blow a perfect chance. i was actually confident with ricky on the mound but its been that kind of year for him.

 

the starters have really been terrible this year and you cannot win like that. blew another chance to gain as the season dwindles.

 

 

Our best chances were at the division more than at the WC, but now that's even more remote. Thinking of sweeping up the Phillies is not really realistic.

This team could have made the postseason this year.

 

Bonifacio should have never started. Coghlan could have played 3B. We could have patched together a 1B/3B/OF clusterf**k of a platoon to cover an OF spot when we gave up on Maybin so early. We also could have added somebody that didn't have the adjective "journeyman" to our bullpen.

 

And you know, Freddi could have made a habit of letting guys that only threw 80-something pitches and surrendered fewer than 4 runs pitch more than 5 innings.

Yes, I do.

 

Why wouldn't I? It's not unrealistic. Comparing this franchise to the Kansas City Royals makes no sense. I know, at the end of the day, it's still no playoffs, but we're a lot f***ing closer than the Kansas City Royals.

 

As far as losing players...who, really? The majority of the core players are locked up long-term.

This team could have made the postseason this year.

 

Bonifacio should have never started. Coghlan could have played 3B. We could have patched together a 1B/3B/OF clusterf**k of a platoon to cover an OF spot when we gave up on Maybin so early. We also could have added somebody that didn't have the adjective "journeyman" to our bullpen.

 

And you know, Freddi could have made a habit of letting guys that only threw 80-something pitches and surrendered fewer than 4 runs pitch more than 5 innings.

 

 

 

I don't get this. Considering the best thing out of our bullpen have been the "journeymen," that makes no sense. Did you want to pay millions for the overrated closer's role? Before answering that one, realize that Lindstrom and Nunez (despite their mediocrity) have combined for 5 9th inning blown saves, this year.

Yes, I do.

 

Why wouldn't I? It's not unrealistic. Comparing this franchise to the Kansas City Royals makes no sense. I know, at the end of the day, it's still no playoffs, but we're a lot f***ing closer than the Kansas City Royals.

 

As far as losing players...who, really? The majority of the core players are locked up long-term.

 

 

Who do you consider "core" and what do you mean by "locked up?"

 

Because we have Hanley locked up and some other guys we have to go to court with for the next several years.

Yes, I do.

 

Why wouldn't I? It's not unrealistic. Comparing this franchise to the Kansas City Royals makes no sense. I know, at the end of the day, it's still no playoffs, but we're a lot f***ing closer than the Kansas City Royals.

 

As far as losing players...who, really? The majority of the core players are locked up long-term.

 

 

Who do you consider "core" and what do you mean by "locked up?"

 

Because we have Hanley locked up and some other guys we have to go to court with for the next several years.

 

The core of Coghlan, Maybin, Morrison and etc.

There are some guys going into arbritration, but I'm expecting the Marlins to sign some of those guys. The only guy who's a must to sign long-term, right now, is Josh Johnson. And I believe that that will get done, at some point or another.

I don't get this. Considering the best thing out of our bullpen have been the "journeymen," that makes no sense. Did you want to pay millions for the overrated closer's role? Before answering that one, realize that Lindstrom and Nunez (despite their mediocrity) have combined for 5 9th inning blown saves, this year.

 

 

I am sick and tired of hearing praise for our shitbox of a bullpen. They let inhereted runners score. 9th inning blown saves are not the problem. 32% of inhereted runners scoring is. The closer position is overrated, but having an out machine in that overrated role lets guys like Lindstrom and Nunez move down the depth chart, and lets some marginal ass-wipe move into the minors or into the pizza delivery business. The fact that I think such a player would be better used to clean up runners-on situations doesn't change the fact that we need one.

 

Look at recent WS winners not called the St. Louis Cardinals and get back to me on that.

I don't get this. Considering the best thing out of our bullpen have been the "journeymen," that makes no sense. Did you want to pay millions for the overrated closer's role? Before answering that one, realize that Lindstrom and Nunez (despite their mediocrity) have combined for 5 9th inning blown saves, this year.

 

 

I am sick and tired of hearing praise for our shitbox of a bullpen. They let inhereted runners score. 9th inning blown saves are not the problem. 32% of inhereted runners scoring is. The closer position is overrated, but having an out machine in that overrated role lets guys like Lindstrom and Nunez move down the depth chart, and lets some marginal ass-wipe move into the minors or into the pizza delivery business. The fact that I think such a player would be better used to clean up runners-on situations doesn't change the fact that we need one.

 

Look at recent WS winners not called the St. Louis Cardinals and get back to me on that.

 

 

The problem has been the non-journeymen...Nunez, Lindstrom.

 

The journeymen, which you apparently seem to hate, have not been the problem. What's your definition of a journeyman? Is it Dan Meyer? Has he been a problem? Has Kiko Calero been a problem? Heck...Brandon Donnelly? If those 3 don't fit the descriptions...Brian Sanches? Has that been the problem?

 

Regardless of who you get (who are you looking at, anyways?), you're never going to have a bullpen with 7 great arms, especially when your starters rarely ever get past the 5th inning.

 

In the problems, you don't mention the fact that 80% of our starting rotation has been garbage/severely underachieved expectations. (thus, creating a big workload for the bullpen)

We absolutely have a playoff capable team, provided the front office opens their wallets a little this offseason.

I don't get this. Considering the best thing out of our bullpen have been the "journeymen," that makes no sense. Did you want to pay millions for the overrated closer's role? Before answering that one, realize that Lindstrom and Nunez (despite their mediocrity) have combined for 5 9th inning blown saves, this year.

 

 

I am sick and tired of hearing praise for our shitbox of a bullpen. They let inhereted runners score. 9th inning blown saves are not the problem. 32% of inhereted runners scoring is. The closer position is overrated, but having an out machine in that overrated role lets guys like Lindstrom and Nunez move down the depth chart, and lets some marginal ass-wipe move into the minors or into the pizza delivery business. The fact that I think such a player would be better used to clean up runners-on situations doesn't change the fact that we need one.

 

Look at recent WS winners not called the St. Louis Cardinals and get back to me on that.

League average is 30% (31% over the last 5 seasons). Yeah, that's above league average but it's not horrific or anything, not "shitbox" worthy to say the least.

League average is 30% (31% over the last 5 seasons). Yeah, that's above league average but it's not horrific or anything, not "sh*t box" worthy to say the least.

 

 

So there is a little hyperbole on my part, but 2% IS% worse than the norm is a very large figure and it does indicate that our pen is not a strength. The pen is below average pretty much all around. Given Freddi's quick hook, it has been an even bigger problem. The much maligned starting rotation rates basically as well against the rest of the NL as the pen does, that is... slightly below average.

 

I am in that mode where I am ranting against what amounts to nonsense preferences.

 

Pen over rotation

Cantu over... anybody else still allowed to start on a healthy Marlins team

etc.

 

The Marlins need to fix the bullpen and add depth in all areas. Until that happens we are going to falter down the stretch as guys get hurt. That is where the payroll is felt.

I don't get this. Considering the best thing out of our bullpen have been the "journeymen," that makes no sense. Did you want to pay millions for the overrated closer's role? Before answering that one, realize that Lindstrom and Nunez (despite their mediocrity) have combined for 5 9th inning blown saves, this year.

 

 

I am sick and tired of hearing praise for our shitbox of a bullpen. They let inhereted runners score. 9th inning blown saves are not the problem. 32% of inhereted runners scoring is. The closer position is overrated, but having an out machine in that overrated role lets guys like Lindstrom and Nunez move down the depth chart, and lets some marginal ass-wipe move into the minors or into the pizza delivery business. The fact that I think such a player would be better used to clean up runners-on situations doesn't change the fact that we need one.

 

Look at recent WS winners not called the St. Louis Cardinals and get back to me on that.

 

 

The problem has been the non-journeymen...Nunez, Lindstrom.

 

The journeymen, which you apparently seem to hate, have not been the problem. What's your definition of a journeyman? Is it Dan Meyer? Has he been a problem? Has Kiko Calero been a problem? Heck...Brandon Donnelly? If those 3 don't fit the descriptions...Brian Sanches? Has that been the problem?

 

Regardless of who you get (who are you looking at, anyways?), you're never going to have a bullpen with 7 great arms, especially when your starters rarely ever get past the 5th inning.

 

In the problems, you don't mention the fact that 80% of our starting rotation has been garbage/severely underachieved expectations. (thus, creating a big workload for the bullpen)

 

Great post. This is what an intelligent fan would realize. The last couple of seasons have been like this (bullpen problems at the end) because they have too BIG of a WORKLOAD! Our starters have been WAY to inconsistent. Lindstrom has been a major disappointment. I have to think he's playing hurt. I'm still upset about the WBC. I think if Lindstrom would'nt have gone there things might be different. Lindstrom has never been as bad as this year. Maybe he's being figured out. I'll be surprised if FO doesn't go in another direction. Nunez should be back in the setup role with closing if our new closer gets hurt. As far as the starters, I'm not sure. Ricky should be around but he's such a tease. I don't see what direction we can go. I don't know what guys we can bring up???? Volstad may be better next year, he's probably hit the wall. JJ will be locked up. We need to keep him around for awhile. But once again, great job on the FO on finding journeyman and I think they'll find some more next year, including closer.....hopefully not Julio!

The team has preformed pretty much to expectations all year just in a different way. We kinda knew we had lost alot of power from our lineup and we knew we had to win a different way ie. Pitching, speed and defense. WE heard that all offseason from the FO and we really didnt improve expect maybe defense. Yet somehow someway this team has found a way to be in the race at the end. Maybe we all are spoiled (Ilive in Houston and watch the Astros everyday) by the awesome talent the Fish have had over the years but we're closer that we think. If the starters would have progressed like they should have then we'd be right where the Rockies are. The inability of our team to acquire players other that "journeyman" (Penny,Smoltz, Garland, or Contreas) has also played a role.

League average is 30% (31% over the last 5 seasons). Yeah, that's above league average but it's not horrific or anything, not "sh*t box" worthy to say the least.

 

 

So there is a little hyperbole on my part, but 2% IS% worse than the norm is a very large figure and it does indicate that our pen is not a strength. The pen is below average pretty much all around. Given Freddi's quick hook, it has been an even bigger problem. The much maligned starting rotation rates basically as well against the rest of the NL as the pen does, that is... slightly below average.

 

I am in that mode where I am ranting against what amounts to nonsense preferences.

 

Pen over rotation

Cantu over... anybody else still allowed to start on a healthy Marlins team

etc.

 

The Marlins need to fix the bullpen and add depth in all areas. Until that happens we are going to falter down the stretch as guys get hurt. That is where the payroll is felt.

 

How many of those inherited runs are thanks to Hayden Penn, Logan Kensing, and company?