Nolasco still really going strong? With a 5.34 ERA and 22 HRs?

 

 

Nolasco's post is 80 IP, 4.86 era, 1.19 whip, and 82 K. That era is pretty damn unlucky. He'll be back to low 4 easily with that whip next year. If not better.

Nolasco still really going strong? With a 5.34 ERA and 22 HRs?

 

 

Nolasco's post is 80 IP, 4.86 era, 1.19 whip, and 82 K. That era is pretty damn unlucky. He'll be back to low 4 easily with that whip next year. If not better.

 

 

Not to mention the fact that Nolasco started the year with a demotion/ERA of 9.

Also...Ricky has already proven that he can put it together for a year...did it last year.

 

I'm comfortable with him as our #2.

Honeslty, 4 years 40 million is a fair offer, or 5 years 50 million---

 

with bonuses for JJ for reachin a win plateau each year, an innings plateau---as well as awards bonuses.

 

Say each only gets the bonus each year he does it. He gets it in 2010, he gets the bonus. He has to reach them again in 2011 to get the bonus again.

 

15 Wins= 1 Million More each season he does it.

180 Innings= 1 Million more each season he does it.

Cy Young= 1 Million more each season he does it.

All Star= 550k each season he does it.

NLCS/ALCS MVP= 500k each time he does it.

WS MVP= 1 Mil each time he does it.

 

In that regard, he can make upwards of 5 million extra in a championship season, should be happy.

 

So you want to give him more than $50 million for 4 years with this incentive recommendation. NO

 

No, I want to give him more then 50 million for 5 years if he performs and earns the extra money. YES

Those saying shut him down....I'm sorry, but what are you pitchers ever for if they aren't going to pitch when we are in the midst of a playoff race? Johnson isn't a rookie anymore, and while I think its pretty obvious that he has worn down just a little over the season, we still desperately need another good start or two from him to have a chance. If we were to shut him down and then the two games that he could have started could have made the difference at the end of the year, well I don't know how I could express how mad I would be.

Er, what would be the reason to shut JJ down for the year? To not risk an injury?

Er, what would be the reason to shut JJ down for the year? To not risk an injury?

 

 

Basically. Think of it like training for a marathon. If you just try to run a marathon one day, you're body is gonna break. You build endurance. It's the same basic principle for pitchers.

 

A lot of studies have shown that young pitchers that see an increase of 30+ IP from the previous season are more susceptible to injury. Well, more correctly would be to track pitchers, but IP is a lot easier (I don't think there's a place that even tracks amount of pitches a MILB player throws).

 

If you look at JJ's pro career

03: 82.1

04: 114.1

05: 139.2

06: 157

07: 38.1

Nolasco still really going strong? With a 5.34 ERA and 22 HRs?

 

 

Since his recall from the minors, Nolasco is 10-4 with a 4.05 ERA with 13/20 quality starts. While the ERA isn't spectacular, it is most definately acceptable and his record shows that more often than not, he gives up a good chance of winning the ballgame.

I thought that the FO was against giving multi-year deals to pitchers because of its thinkings? While I aint against this I'm jus saying if he get hurt or whatever then doesn't that put a strain of our resources for other players? This probably signals to me that we don't have any SP depth and none is on the horizon soon. I think JJ is a elite pitcher but why even if he is signed will he still be traded by the time he gets to the 16-18$ million range?

I thought that the FO was against giving multi-year deals to pitchers because of its thinkings? While I aint against this I'm jus saying if he get hurt or whatever then doesn't that put a strain of our resources for other players? This probably signals to me that we don't have any SP depth and none is on the horizon soon. I think JJ is a elite pitcher but why even if he is signed will he still be traded by the time he gets to the 16-18$ million range?

 

 

Josh Johnson is the kind of pitcher you can build a team around, however. He needs to be signed long term for the sake of the franchise.

Those saying shut him down....I'm sorry, but what are you pitchers ever for if they aren't going to pitch when we are in the midst of a playoff race? Johnson isn't a rookie anymore, and while I think its pretty obvious that he has worn down just a little over the season, we still desperately need another good start or two from him to have a chance. If we were to shut him down and then the two games that he could have started could have made the difference at the end of the year, well I don't know how I could express how mad I would be.

 

They aren't in the race. It's virtually impossible to make the playoffs if you look at the numbers.

I would also be starting players like Gaby Sanchez, Cameron Maybin, or maybe even Brett Carroll routinely so that they can get ML at bats and show us what they are made of before next season.

 

I would also try Coghlan for a couple of games at second and third base.

 

The Marlins have a lot of question marks going into 2010 and it would be wise to try some experiments now that they are out of the race.

I would also be starting players like Gaby Sanchez, Cameron Maybin, or maybe even Brett Carroll routinely so that they can get ML at bats and show us what they are made of before next season.

 

I would also try Coghlan for a couple of games at second and third base.

 

The Marlins have a lot of question marks going into 2010 and it would be wise to try some experiments now that they are out of the race.

 

 

 

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http://mlb.mlb.com/m...gs/wildcard.jsp

 

 

Yeah, when you have a team that has been ridiculed for showing a lack of care to the fanbase, they should now give up on the season when they have not been eliminated. That is totally the right message to send to the fanbase, that the future will always be more important than the present.

Does the common fanbase actually think the Fish are still in the race? They haven't really been showing a marginal increase in attendance numbers, have they?

 

Giving some starts to guys like Sanchez, Maybin, and Carroll isn't the end of the world. Maybin has started a healthy amount over the last couple of weeks already. Carroll has been swinging a fairly hot bat this month.

 

Being 4.5 back in the Wild Card is a huge gap when you consider that there are only 9-10 games left to play. If the Rockies play .500 ball, the Fish need to win all of their remaining games just to force a tie. It's virtually impossible.

 

September call-ups aren't exactly a new thing. A lot of teams use this opportunity to improve themselves.

I agree with penguino. Maybe we haven't been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, but in reality we've been out of it for a few weeks now.

Does the common fanbase actually think the Fish are still in the race? They haven't really been showing a marginal increase in attendance numbers, have they?

 

Giving some starts to guys like Sanchez, Maybin, and Carroll isn't the end of the world. Maybin has started a healthy amount over the last couple of weeks already. Carroll has been swinging a fairly hot bat this month.

 

Being 4.5 back in the Wild Card is a huge gap when you consider that there are only 9-10 games left to play. If the Rockies play .500 ball, the Fish need to win all of their remaining games just to force a tie. It's virtually impossible.

 

September call-ups aren't exactly a new thing. A lot of teams use this opportunity to improve themselves.

 

I don't know if you can attribute this to that or not (noone really know, I guess), but 31,000 were at last night's game, the entire lower level is sold out for Friday's game (for 3 seats anyways) and Saturday's game seems to be selling really well as well.

How many people in attendance seemed to be Phillies fans? Does it actually seem like the Marlins are attracting playoff crowds or are there other factors (Super Saturdays, Mets, Braves, and Phillies fans)?

How many people in attendance seemed to be Phillies fans? Does it actually seem like the Marlins are attracting playoff crowds or are there other factors (Super Saturdays, Mets, Braves, and Phillies fans)?

 

Like I said, noone really knows, do they? I wasn't there last night so I can't say, but last year in mid-September, when the Phillies were also basically locked in, we had 20K at a Friday game and 28K for a Saturday game, not 20k for a Tuesday DH and 31k for a Wednesday game.

Those saying shut him down....I'm sorry, but what are you pitchers ever for if they aren't going to pitch when we are in the midst of a playoff race? Johnson isn't a rookie anymore, and while I think its pretty obvious that he has worn down just a little over the season, we still desperately need another good start or two from him to have a chance. If we were to shut him down and then the two games that he could have started could have made the difference at the end of the year, well I don't know how I could express how mad I would be.

 

They aren't in the race. It's virtually impossible to make the playoffs if you look at the numbers.

 

Actually, no it isn't. It's entirely possible that the Rockies could go 5-4 and we could pop off a nine game streak. Improbably, yes, but improbable happens in sports. The Miami Dolphins were division champions last year, even though they started off slow and lost a crucial game to the Patriots down the stretch. But they needed help, got it, and took care of business.

 

Do we need help? Yes. Could we get it? Yes. Do we need to win most of out games coming up? Yes. Is that possible in baseball? Yes.

 

The pressure is on the Rockies and they have a very hard schedule to finish off the season. They also struggled against the Pads, not a good team. We also play the Braves, and while they are tough, we have our destiny in our hands because beating them means gaining ground over them.

 

We've seen so many meltdowns and miracle wildcard winners over the year, I don't see 4 games out being anywhere close to insurmountable with 9 games left. It's a godsend that we are actually that close, considering the bad baseball we've played. Yet we've seen some very good things recently, and it's entirely possible that we could play well over this nine game stretch.

Those saying shut him down....I'm sorry, but what are you pitchers ever for if they aren't going to pitch when we are in the midst of a playoff race? Johnson isn't a rookie anymore, and while I think its pretty obvious that he has worn down just a little over the season, we still desperately need another good start or two from him to have a chance. If we were to shut him down and then the two games that he could have started could have made the difference at the end of the year, well I don't know how I could express how mad I would be.

 

They aren't in the race. It's virtually impossible to make the playoffs if you look at the numbers.

 

Actually, no it isn't. It's entirely possible that the Rockies could go 5-4 and we could pop off a nine game streak. Improbably, yes, but improbable happens in sports. The Miami Dolphins were division champions last year, even though they started off slow and lost a crucial game to the Patriots down the stretch. But they needed help, got it, and took care of business.

 

Do we need help? Yes. Could we get it? Yes. Do we need to win most of out games coming up? Yes. Is that possible in baseball? Yes.

 

The pressure is on the Rockies and they have a very hard schedule to finish off the season. They also struggled against the Pads, not a good team. We also play the Braves, and while they are tough, we have our destiny in our hands because beating them means gaining ground over them.

 

We've seen so many meltdowns and miracle wildcard winners over the year, I don't see 4 games out being anywhere close to insurmountable with 9 games left. It's a godsend that we are actually that close, considering the bad baseball we've played. Yet we've seen some very good things recently, and it's entirely possible that we could play well over this nine game stretch.

 

 

Actually...considering the bad month we had. We haven't been playing bad baseball, lately. If we don't make the playoffs, blame it on the month of May. Also...if the Marlins just so happen to win 8 or 9 of these last 9 games, I hope people still see it as a successful season, regardless.

Notice I used the wording "virtually impossible," which indicates that the Marlins are NOT mathematically prohibited but nevertheless highly unprobabilistic.

 

You pretty much said it yourself. Even if the Marlins win ALL of their remaining games (which is incredibly unlikely), that still might not be enough if the Rockies manage to go 6-3.

 

Colorado has the more difficult schedule, but don't forget that Atlanta and San Francisco are also in the race and theirs are even easier. Even if Colorado buckles, those two teams are far more likely to win a large portion of their remaining games. Atlanta plays the Nationals seven times while San Francisco plays Chicago, Arizona, and San Diego. Is it possible that Colorado melt down? Sure, it's possible, albeit unlikely. Even if that happens there are two other teams in greater position to take advantage of a potential losing streak than the Marlins are.

 

In other words, the Marlins are only "in" the race due to mathematics. If you apply reason to the situation, they are out.

Notice I used the wording "virtually impossible," which indicates that the Marlins are NOT mathematically prohibited but nevertheless highly unprobabilistic.

 

You pretty much said it yourself. Even if the Marlins win ALL of their remaining games (which is incredibly unlikely), that still might not be enough if the Rockies manage to go 6-3.

 

Colorado has the more difficult schedule, but don't forget that Atlanta and San Francisco are also in the race and theirs are even easier. Even if Colorado buckles, those two teams are far more likely to win a large portion of their remaining games. Atlanta plays the Nationals seven times while San Francisco plays Chicago, Arizona, and San Diego. Is it possible that Colorado melt down? Sure, it's possible, albeit unlikely. Even if that happens there are two other teams in greater position to take advantage of a potential losing streak than the Marlins are.

 

In other words, the Marlins are only "in" the race due to mathematics. If you apply reason to the situation, they are out.

 

 

 

This is all correct, but I still don't know why you care about Atlanta in this scenario.

If the Marlins win their remaining 9 games, the Braves are irrelevant b/c 3 of those wins, means 3 Braves losses (we play 3 in Atlanta next week). We control our own destiny, right now, with the Braves.

How many people in attendance seemed to be Phillies fans? Does it actually seem like the Marlins are attracting playoff crowds or are there other factors (Super Saturdays, Mets, Braves, and Phillies fans)?

 

Like I said, noone really knows, do they? I wasn't there last night so I can't say, but last year in mid-September, when the Phillies were also basically locked in, we had 20K at a Friday game and 28K for a Saturday game, not 20k for a Tuesday DH and 31k for a Wednesday game.

I guess the Marlins fans didn't think the Fish were in the race on September 11th, had a change of heart after the that night's loss only to lose hope again in light of September 12th's win.

In other words, the Marlins are only "in" the race due to mathematics. If you apply reason to the situation, they are out.

 

 

No, no, no. Applying reason should tell you that them making the playoffs is difficult and unlikely. But that's far from out. I've seen it happen in much more unlikely situations so maybe I just have a different sense of reasoning than you.

 

I've never been too optimistic that the 2009 Marlins are a playoff team. But that doesn't mean that I can't see the possibility of us playing well in the next 9 games and the Rockies playing crappy.

Updated chance: 3.5%

How many people in attendance seemed to be Phillies fans? Does it actually seem like the Marlins are attracting playoff crowds or are there other factors (Super Saturdays, Mets, Braves, and Phillies fans)?

 

Like I said, noone really knows, do they? I wasn't there last night so I can't say, but last year in mid-September, when the Phillies were also basically locked in, we had 20K at a Friday game and 28K for a Saturday game, not 20k for a Tuesday DH and 31k for a Wednesday game.

I guess the Marlins fans didn't think the Fish were in the race on September 11th, had a change of heart after the that night's loss only to lose hope again in light of September 12th's win.

No, that's because that was UM day and they gave tickets away. It was also a Super Saturday. What we are talking about here isn't a Super Saturday or tickets being given away. So, unless you have some inside info you or some polling data, you can't actually dispute that it could be fan excitement, especially since it's more than we saw in more favorable conditions a year ago.