Not sure how to quote things but I will just copy and paste it and the link. It was also on MLBtraderumors.com

 

Same scout on #Marlins lefty Andrew Miller: "I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him." Still has great arm, command iffy. #MLB

 

http://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/10429314127

 

Not sure how reliable of a source he is but it wouldn't really suprise me. who do you think would be intrested? thoughts?

I think we can be generous enough to offer him back to the Tigers for Cabrera straight up.

I think we can be generous enough to offer him back to the Tigers for Cabrera straight up.

 

 

haha and they pay 97.5% of his contract

I think we can be generous enough to offer him back to the Tigers for Cabrera straight up.

 

 

haha and they pay 97.5% of his contract

 

97.6% or no deal.

We could take Willis back? They would probably pay most of his salary....

We could take Willis back? They would probably pay most of his salary....

 

HELL YEAH! HOP ON THE D-TRAIN!

wouldnt call that a "trade rumor". Just a voiced opinion.

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I'm sure he has LOADS of value these days...lol...

wouldnt call that a "trade rumor". Just a voiced opinion.

 

 

And a second-hand one at that although since Morosi teamed up with Rosenthal they both gained a higher level of credibility and accuracy. They seem a good pairing.

 

As with West they're young and the potential still exists for both to be top line pitchers. As long as they aren't hiding injuries, so it takes a few months or even another season, in the big pitcure it might not be the worst thing for either. What would be really helpful is for Penn and Hensley (it doesn't bother me a wit that he's +30 and 5'11", we aren't predicting a perennial starter here, you look up "stopgap" in the dictionary you might find Hensley's picture) to step up again and show their work this spring is no fluke, you could conceivably see both by the end of spring on the Opening Day roster. Please don't read that "assuring" anything, if these guys show they fit the need it buys time. Stranger things have happened. Like so many misfits and second-chancers, our track record is as good as anyone's or at least right up there in maximizing performance from less heralded players especially pitchers. I'd take 4+/- ERA from the pair to the All-Star break and count my lucky stars they performed as well as they did.

 

West and Miller aren't showing much this spring and the other two could get blown out of the water over the next few weeks but why not root for them in the interim. I'd say the single most important pitcher in camp right now is Vandenhurk because he if he can tie down number three (and do so based on performance not default) we are in a good shape with the arms in the system to patch together four and five. A lot of teams in baseball would like to have three quality guys at the top of their lineups. Maybe four if one or both of the two so far unmentioned guys - Volstad and Sanchez - come to life and start logging quality innings.

 

Maybe the right thing to do is trade Miller, I don't know, I would think a) some team would really have to have religion and feel they know what the key is to unlock his talents (like when a pitcher finds out from a guy who used to play on an opposing team that he's been tipping his slider two seasons in a row and the light bulb goes off. All of a sudden you have a fourteen game winner overnight), and b) the matchup with some other team (because they'd most probably be trading their big upside, mucho potential, hasn't panned out yet "prospect" of their own back to us) has to fit our need as well as a Miller fills theirs.

 

Purely conjecture, and there's the political side as well, Give writers and bloggists a field day to comment of the Cabrera-Willis trade, most of whom will ignore the collapse of Willis and the recently surfaced personal problems of one of baseball's highest paid players. All in all I guess I think he sticks for now.

I think it's funny that people who hate on Andrew Miller want D-Train back.

 

D-Train is like a worse version of Miller at this point.

I would trade Miller personally.

 

It's pretty obvious that he won't contribute to the Marlins in 2010, even out of the bullpen. I would trade him now while he still has one option year remaining so he doesn't turn into a Hayden Penn and the Marlins can only get a Robert Andino in exchange for him.

 

Let some other team take a chance with him now. Even if Miller does break out, the Marlins probably won't be able to retain him anyway.

 

I think he stays though since West and Anibal have been question marks. Beinfest probably doesn't want to swallow his pride but the Detroit trade either.

I think it's funny that people who hate on Andrew Miller want D-Train back.

 

D-Train is like a worse version of Miller at this point.

 

 

At least Dontrelle has shown at some point he can be an effective pitcher in the Majors. Obviously he is messed up right now and Miller still has "potential" but the reason I said is probably why those people want him back. Also helps that Dontrelle seems to be a genuinely nice guy and a character for the fans to take to.

Beinfest probably doesn't want to swallow his pride

 

"Pride" regarding this or that past transaction isn't a factor to a good GM (a club in which Beinfest is certainly a member.) The only thing that counts is your next move to try to improve the team.

 

In any case, how can a trade which dumped a massive amount of payroll they absolutely couldn't afford be criticized? We got 6 prospects. Some work out, most don't. Badenhop and Maybin have been of some value and may be of further value in the future, Miller may or may not turn out to be, the other 3 are busts (Robelo is back in Detroit, de la Cruz is pitching in Japan, Trahern is recovering from TJ surgery.)

 

Even if the final assessment is that we got no long-term value, it could still be considered a success because it avoided paying a further dime to retain the total disaster that Willis became. That cost Detroit $29 million. No big deal to them, to us the difference between being able to sign JJ and not.

 

Regardless of whether the trade is considered a bust or a success, I'm quite sure that Beinfest would trade Miller in a heartbeat if he thought it would improve the club. Without consideration of, reference to or any care at all about the trade that brought him here or what anyone thinks of it.

 

Which is as it should be.

Beinfest certainly has a sense of "pride" or else he wouldn't have a tradition of sticking with "his guys."

 

Bonifacio, Abercrombie, and Olivo were players that Beinfest was obviously enamored with because of their "tools" and forced them into the lineup despite showing signs of being terrible. Obviously he saw these guys as potentially brilliant projects and waited until they completely fell off of the cliff to pull the plug.

 

He's certainly an above average GM, but he has a tendency of doing a lot of things that great GMs don't do.

Pedro Martinez anyone?

Bonifacio, Abercrombie, and Olivo were players that Beinfest was obviously enamored with because of their "tools" and forced them into the lineup despite showing signs of being terrible. Obviously he saw these guys as potentially brilliant projects and waited until they completely fell off of the cliff to pull the plug

 

All of that is "obvious" only to you.

 

No one here knows exactly why any particular player got whatever playing time, and I doubt that Beinfest has ever had much to do with any of it, either way.

 

Baseball is a speculative business. Every asset you have (in terms of players) may appreciate or depreciate on a yearly or even monthly basis.

 

When it comes to trades, you win some, you lose some, but the bottom line is what the product on the field produces. Any particular trade doesn't matter, it's what you wind up with over time.

 

It's much like financial market speculation, something I've successfully done for decades. I don't care if I've made or lost money on the last 10 trades, it has nothing to do with the NEXT trade.

 

Which, I suspect, is exactly how Beinfest, being a professional, regards any and all previous trades. He's not "enamored" of anyone or of any previous trade or what anyone may think of it, he only cares about future results and the next move they can make.

 

Which is why they have been successful.

Sure, it was obvious and not just considered so by me. Do you even bother to read media articles about the team? If you did, you would know precisely what attributes the Marlins see in certain players and what their long term projections are for the organizational talent. Do they tell us everything? Of course not. But, to insinuate that we are completely in the dark is nonsense.

 

Beinfest has publicly touted the tools of these players to the point where it is clear why he decided to take a chance on them. I also think it's generally understood that the GM or the president of baseball operations for that matter has a large influence over the long term depth chart while the manager is more responsible for the day to day lineup changes. If this was more Fredi's call as you seem to claim, why has Beinfest come out publicly and commented on Bonifacio's transition from a starter to the Amezaga-like super utility role?

 

Absolutely Beinfest is "speculating" and has made it clear as to which types of players he likes (what his investment strategy is). None of these players were acquired under high risk, but Beinfest certainly suffered losses by waiting too long to give up on the experiments. You have to consider that at some point having a player in the lineup is actually a detriment to the team's ability to win games. By starting Bonifacio late into the season, Beinfest "lost" more in speculation than he would have if he pulled the plug earlier.

 

If a young, unproven player is given a prolonged period of playing time while putting up poor numbers, the team is hoping for a breakout. You can try to accuse me of "not knowing" but this is certainly undeniable and made more obvious if there are other capable players waiting in the wings.

Let's trade him if we can get something decent in return. It is possible that we are holding on to him in case we trade Uggla or Ross during the season (Maybin performs well and Stanton or another OF come up midway through the season) and want to dangle someone else with upside. That's not such a bad strategy.

You continue to try to obfuscate Beinfest's actual role.

 

You seem to think that he's motivated by some sense of "pride" in his trades or acquisitions. Reality

says otherwise.

Or maybe it's you obfuscating my intial remarks. If you look at the sentence that you are quoting I made some typo errors so severe that I don't even know what I originally said.

 

If you dislike the word "pride," then fine. I was referring to the fact that when GMs pay a high price for talent or finds a player they are convinced to be a diamond in the rough, they give the struggling player more opportunities to turn their performance around than they would for another player. All of my posts in this thread have been consistent with this sentiment. Unfortunately Beinfest tends to do this more than most other GMs do.

 

Are you denying that Beinfest is instrumental in dictating who the starters for the team are? How do you know any better than I do?

I see no way of them trading him with an option year where they can just wait and see what happens in the minors. Whatever you can get for him in a trade right now, is not comparable to the upside Miller can turn into. This isn't an Andino situation of a guy with a limited ceiling.

I see no way of them trading him with an option year where they can just wait and see what happens in the minors. Whatever you can get for him in a trade right now, is not comparable to the upside Miller can turn into. This isn't an Andino situation of a guy with a limited ceiling.

 

 

 

100% agree

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Look at me. Yes.

I think he should be forced to carry the scars of supporting such a terrible player. :lol