Miguel Cabrera played a grand total of 3 games (7 chances) in the outfield before he was called up. It's silly to think that the Marlins won't consider putting Morrison in the outfield if it comes down to it.

 

I think what they are saying is if Morrison comes up, ship Gaby Sanchez to LF and let Morrison play 1B. Which I agree with.

I think the FO needs to be careful with Morrison, considering the last two seasons he's missed a decent amount of time due to injury.

 

But yeah, Morrison could always play LF if we really needed him to. However, Coghlan's sticking around for the time being after hitting pretty well today. Hopefully some day he'll get that BA past .250.

Additionally, there are no Gaby lovers.

 

 

Well, there is Marlins1. Or was anyway. I wonder where he went off too.

 

And considering they talked about moving Logan to the OF before, how he had a shot at being the opening day RFer if Cody couldn't make it, how he has a very strong arm, ect...I think it's rather clear who they view as an OFer out of the two.

Additionally, there are no Gaby lovers.

 

 

Well, there is Marlins1. Or was anyway. I wonder where he went off too.

 

And considering they talked about moving Logan to the OF before, how he had a shot at being the opening day RFer if Cody couldn't make it, how he has a very strong arm, ect...I think it's rather clear who they view as an OFer out of the two.

Who is that?

 

Anyway, I suspect the Marlins would bench Sanchez before they would move him to LF.

Additionally, there are no Gaby lovers.

 

 

Well, there is Marlins1. Or was anyway. I wonder where he went off too.

 

And considering they talked about moving Logan to the OF before, how he had a shot at being the opening day RFer if Cody couldn't make it, how he has a very strong arm, ect...I think it's rather clear who they view as an OFer out of the two.

Who is that?

 

Anyway, I suspect the Marlins would bench Sanchez before they would move him to LF.

 

http://www.marlinsbaseball.com/user/3677-marlins1/

 

Out of his 307 total posts, about 305 of those were about Gaby over the past 3 years or so (or negative about Logan).

Miguel Cabrera played a grand total of 3 games (7 chances) in the outfield before he was called up. It's silly to think that the Marlins won't consider putting Morrison in the outfield if it comes down to it.

 

I think what they are saying is if Morrison comes up, ship Gaby Sanchez to LF and let Morrison play 1B. Which I agree with.

 

 

What?

Miguel Cabrera played a grand total of 3 games (7 chances) in the outfield before he was called up. It's silly to think that the Marlins won't consider putting Morrison in the outfield if it comes down to it.

 

I think what they are saying is if Morrison comes up, ship Gaby Sanchez to LF and let Morrison play 1B. Which I agree with.

 

 

What?

If you want both in the lineup, put Gaby Sanchez in LF and Morrison at 1B. I dont know why everyone is dead set on moving Morrison to LF and leaving Gaby Sanchez at 1B, considering Morrison is a much better defensive 1B, and it isnt that big of a challenge to play LF. In other words, I dont get why people are implying that leaving Gaby Sanchez at 1B and putting Morrison in LF is the only option.

Miguel Cabrera played a grand total of 3 games (7 chances) in the outfield before he was called up. It's silly to think that the Marlins won't consider putting Morrison in the outfield if it comes down to it.

 

I think what they are saying is if Morrison comes up, ship Gaby Sanchez to LF and let Morrison play 1B. Which I agree with.

 

 

What?

If you want both in the lineup, put Gaby Sanchez in LF and Morrison at 1B. I dont know why everyone is dead set on moving Morrison to LF and leaving Gaby Sanchez at 1B, considering Morrison is a much better defensive 1B, and it isnt that big of a challenge to play LF. In other words, I dont get why people are implying that leaving Gaby Sanchez at 1B and putting Morrison in LF is the only option.

I know Bob said that but I don't know if Eddie meant that. Regardless, i think that the reason most people feel that Gaby 1B and Morrison LF is the most likely option is because the Marlins have basically made that clear. When LoMo was first tried in the OF back in the AFL the reason that was reported was because they felt that it would make sure he wouldn't be blocked by one Gabriel Sanchez. And Gaby's defense isn't some problem like what the small minority around here says, there's no need to move him from first to be replaced by LoMo, just to teach him a new position which LoMo already plays.

Gaby Sanchez isnt terrible at 1B but hes not good either. Morrison by all accounts is very good there. Neither have played LF all that much, so I dont see why it is Gaby Sanchez at 1B and Morrison in LF. It should be the other way around.

If Logan is more athletic, he's the better choice for the OF and he's supposed to have a strong arm. I don't think Gaby has a strong arm.

Gaby Sanchez isnt terrible at 1B but hes not good either. Morrison by all accounts is very good there. Neither have played LF all that much, so I dont see why it is Gaby Sanchez at 1B and Morrison in LF. It should be the other way around.

 

There's no doubting that Morrison is the better defender at first base and is the long-term option there. However, I see no evidence that the Marlins will consider moving Sanchez to the OF this season.

 

Until I see the front office insinuate otherwise, I'm going to assume that's a crackpot theory.

First of all Logan has played a total of 3 games in LF...Marlins have not really shown any interest in converting him to the outfield. It is possible but it is not expected. BTW many are not aware of how special of a talent Logan Morrison really is, he first started out as a power hitter but refined himself as a hitter to the point that many say he has sub level power for a first baseman when nothing could be farther from the truth. He can hit it a country mile. The problem has been injuries with him, otherwise he would be our first baseman right now and not Gabby.He is still just coming back from that shoulder I don't expect a callup til August at the very earliest but he will make us pine for him upto the moment that happens. Don't try to compare him to Stanton they are two different type of batter. Stanton is raw power who even when he strikes out intimidates pitchers...Logan is poetry in motion in the batter's box that pitchers will marvel in the ways he can hurt them

 

I mean, before he got here Chris Coghlan played a total of 1 game in LF and he Marlins had not shown any interest in converting him to the OF. The way this team functions they just try to get the top 8 hitters they can find and try to figure out. LoMo's played more than 3 games in LF though, even though a lot of that was in spring trainings and AFL, I don't think why it'd be so wrong to expect a Morrison, Ross, Stanton outfield if going into the break Coghlan and Maybin are somehow still not getting it done. Though I don't think either of them have nearly that long.

 

 

Oh, and Bob, I hope you don't expect to see LoMo bumping Gaby out of 1B if he comes up this year.

Good to see you still ignore things I say if they don't fit your arguments.

 

I didn't ignore anything that hasn't been told to you 30 or 40 times already. It's a waste of my good time to even come anywhere near trying to explain why you're wrong about something. We all tried it for 7 months with Bonifacio, when even his performance couldn't change your mind, and the same is happened over the last 3 months again with Gaby.

 

I mean, did you really say anything worth my time? Besides being the pot that called the kettle black?

 

And once again. All I ever did with Boni was show the real numbers when you all were making up your own stats and facts. Never went one way or the other with him. Just can't stand folks making up their own things to prove their points. Show me where I did anything differently.

 

IF throwing errors are up this year. But that's not Gaby's fault at all.

 

Ground ball doubles along the 1B line are up this year. But that not Gaby's fault at all.

 

Pulling off DP's is WAY down this year. But that's not Gaby's fault at all.

 

A couple weeks ago there was an article quoting Fredi that he stated why DPs are down is because players are slow to cover the bases. Seeing that guys are holding onto the ball at 2B quite a bit this year, that must mean our pitchers aren't covering 1B. Because that can't be Gaby's fault at all.

 

Something you are going to have to deal with. Logan is the FAR better defensive 1B than Gaby.

 

Want another comparison that dosen't worship the ground of another board fav? Check out how many wild pitches/passed balls since Hayes has been catching and Baker has been on the DL. Hayes has the better glove. Baker just has the far better bat at this point. Something I have always said. If you had bothered to read my post instead of just jumping on me, you would have seen I said the same thing about Logan and Gaby.

Gaby Sanchez isnt terrible at 1B but hes not good either. Morrison by all accounts is very good there. Neither have played LF all that much, so I dont see why it is Gaby Sanchez at 1B and Morrison in LF. It should be the other way around.

 

There's no doubting that Morrison is the better defender at first base and is the long-term option there. However, I see no evidence that the Marlins will consider moving Sanchez to the OF this season.

 

Until I see the front office insinuate otherwise, I'm going to assume that's a crackpot theory.

 

I don't see any reason to bring Logan up at all this year. Except for maybe just get a taste of the majors, which we have done with plenty of players before. Just like I said in my first post. Leave him in AAA to let him mature. The past injuries have hurt him in alot of ways. There are far too many "if's" to happen for Logan to come here and moves be made to either demote Gaby or move either player to the OF. And just like I have said countless times, I have no problem with Gaby being at 1B this year and the team continueing to handle things the way they are. Next year should be different. But because I don't simply praise Gaby for everything he does, I'm bashed by a couple people.

Miguel Cabrera played a grand total of 3 games (7 chances) in the outfield before he was called up. It's silly to think that the Marlins won't consider putting Morrison in the outfield if it comes down to it.

 

I think what they are saying is if Morrison comes up, ship Gaby Sanchez to LF and let Morrison play 1B. Which I agree with.

 

 

What?

If you want both in the lineup, put Gaby Sanchez in LF and Morrison at 1B. I dont know why everyone is dead set on moving Morrison to LF and leaving Gaby Sanchez at 1B, considering Morrison is a much better defensive 1B, and it isnt that big of a challenge to play LF. In other words, I dont get why people are implying that leaving Gaby Sanchez at 1B and putting Morrison in LF is the only option.

I know Bob said that but I don't know if Eddie meant that. Regardless, i think that the reason most people feel that Gaby 1B and Morrison LF is the most likely option is because the Marlins have basically made that clear. When LoMo was first tried in the OF back in the AFL the reason that was reported was because they felt that it would make sure he wouldn't be blocked by one Gabriel Sanchez. And Gaby's defense isn't some problem like what the small minority around here says, there's no need to move him from first to be replaced by LoMo, just to teach him a new position which LoMo already plays.

 

Actually I put so many "if's" into that statement that it becomes almost totally impossible for it to happen.

 

But I didn't fall over backwards praising every thing Gaby does, so I can see why you would want to go that way.

And once again. All I ever did with Boni was show the real numbers when you all were making up your own stats and facts. Never went one way or the other with him. Just can't stand folks making up their own things to prove their points. Show me where I did anything differently.

 

IF throwing errors are up this year. But that's not Gaby's fault at all.

 

Ground ball doubles along the 1B line are up this year. But that not Gaby's fault at all.

 

Pulling off DP's is WAY down this year. But that's not Gaby's fault at all.

 

A couple weeks ago there was an article quoting Fredi that he stated why DPs are down is because players are slow to cover the bases. Seeing that guys are holding onto the ball at 2B quite a bit this year, that must mean our pitchers aren't covering 1B. Because that can't be Gaby's fault at all.

 

Something you are going to have to deal with. Logan is the FAR better defensive 1B than Gaby.

 

Want another comparison that dosen't worship the ground of another board fav? Check out how many wild pitches/passed balls since Hayes has been catching and Baker has been on the DL. Hayes has the better glove. Baker just has the far better bat at this point. Something I have always said. If you had bothered to read my post instead of just jumping on me, you would have seen I said the same thing about Logan and Gaby.

 

Where are you getting those "facts" from?

 

Nevertheless, statistics show that Gaby is much better defensively than Cantu and Johnson were in 2009. In DRS, Gaby is a 0, while Cantu and Johnson were -7 and -3 (respectively), which was pretty damn terrible. Have you considered that maybe it might be the fault of the other three infielders? Why not get on their cases for a change?

 

The problem is that so are so determined to pin all of the team's defensive woes on Sanchez (who is a statistical improvement from last year), and aren't making a very convincing case.

Gaby Sanchez isnt terrible at 1B but hes not good either. Morrison by all accounts is very good there. Neither have played LF all that much, so I dont see why it is Gaby Sanchez at 1B and Morrison in LF. It should be the other way around.

 

There's no doubting that Morrison is the better defender at first base and is the long-term option there. However, I see no evidence that the Marlins will consider moving Sanchez to the OF this season.

 

Until I see the front office insinuate otherwise, I'm going to assume that's a crackpot theory.

 

I don't see any reason to bring Logan up at all this year. Except for maybe just get a taste of the majors, which we have done with plenty of players before. Just like I said in my first post. Leave him in AAA to let him mature. The past injuries have hurt him in alot of ways. There are far too many "if's" to happen for Logan to come here and moves be made to either demote Gaby or move either player to the OF. And just like I have said countless times, I have no problem with Gaby being at 1B this year and the team continueing to handle things the way they are. Next year should be different. But because I don't simply praise Gaby for everything he does, I'm bashed by a couple people.

You are being criticized by more than a couple of people. Many of them have realized that getting through to you on this stuff is like having a root canal and have given up.

But I didn't fall over backwards praising every thing Gaby does, so I can see why you would want to go that way.

 

It's not that you don't praise Gaby, it's that you take every opportunity to criticize someone who is statistically average defensively and has been one of the most welcomed offensive surprises in the lineup with Coghlan and Maybin being terrible.

 

Why does Gaby (and Baker sometimes) need to be getting the blunt of this nonsense while Coghlan, Maybin, Uggla, and Cantu get off the hook?

 

Why do you continue to perpetuate this myth that the late inning defensive changes are for 1B and not 3B?

 

Nobody here is standing up for Gaby because we think he is a fantastic player; we are simply standing up for foolish reasoning--your foolish reasoning.

I mean, before he got here Chris Coghlan played a total of 1 game in LF and he Marlins had not shown any interest in converting him to the OF. The way this team functions they just try to get the top 8 hitters they can find and try to figure out. LoMo's played more than 3 games in LF though, even though a lot of that was in spring trainings and AFL, I don't think why it'd be so wrong to expect a Morrison, Ross, Stanton outfield if going into the break Coghlan and Maybin are somehow still not getting it done. Though I don't think either of them have nearly that long.

 

 

Oh, and Bob, I hope you don't expect to see LoMo bumping Gaby out of 1B if he comes up this year.

 

Good to see you still ignore things I say if they don't fit your arguments.

 

I didn't ignore anything that hasn't been told to you 30 or 40 times already. It's a waste of my good time to even come anywhere near trying to explain why you're wrong about something. We all tried it for 7 months with Bonifacio, when even his performance couldn't change your mind, and the same is happened over the last 3 months again with Gaby.

 

I mean, did you really say anything worth my time? Besides being the pot that called the kettle black?

 

And once again. All I ever did with Boni was show the real numbers when you all were making up your own stats and facts. Never went one way or the other with him. Just can't stand folks making up their own things to prove their points. Show me where I did anything differently.

 

IF throwing errors are up this year. But that's not Gaby's fault at all.

 

Ground ball doubles along the 1B line are up this year. But that not Gaby's fault at all.

 

Pulling off DP's is WAY down this year. But that's not Gaby's fault at all.

 

A couple weeks ago there was an article quoting Fredi that he stated why DPs are down is because players are slow to cover the bases. Seeing that guys are holding onto the ball at 2B quite a bit this year, that must mean our pitchers aren't covering 1B. Because that can't be Gaby's fault at all.

 

Something you are going to have to deal with. Logan is the FAR better defensive 1B than Gaby.

 

Want another comparison that dosen't worship the ground of another board fav? Check out how many wild pitches/passed balls since Hayes has been catching and Baker has been on the DL. Hayes has the better glove. Baker just has the far better bat at this point. Something I have always said. If you had bothered to read my post instead of just jumping on me, you would have seen I said the same thing about Logan and Gaby.

Bit by bit:

 

Yeah, IF throwing errors are up this year. Hell, if we keep on this track it we'll have a whole 3 more than last year! It's a show of the sample sizes that we're talking about, if it wasn't for then 9th inning yesterday we'd actually be on track to have 3 less.

 

I have no idea if this is actually true or not, this business about doubles down the 1B line going up. I just can't find it. I don't know. My best bet is that you couldn't come up with any number or rate or anything either if we asked you to come up with any measurement of this supposed fact.

 

Third part, and this is actually a 2 parter. 1) Did you just say that you understand the team's fielding mechanics better than the manager? and 2) (this is the best one) that DP% that's WAY down... it's up this year. Not by a bunch, it's up from 9% to 10%, and this could be because of the pitchers, because of luck, because of any number of things. But it's up. But that's not Gaby's fault at all.

It's clear that he is going to take any statistical aberration (if there isn't one, he'll invent one--show me evidence that doubles down the 1B line are up), and try to blame it on Gaby Sanchez.

 

Bob, explain to me why statistically Johnson and Cantu cost this team 10 runs in 2009 and Sanchez is on pace to cost 0 runs? If Sanchez is such a big downgrade, why is he statistically saving more runs than Cantu/Johnson did in 2009?

I have no idea if this is actually true or not, this business about doubles down the 1B line going up. I just can't find it. I don't know. My best bet is that you couldn't come up with any number or rate or anything either if we asked you to come up with any measurement of this supposed fact.

 

Well, overall doubles allowed by our pitching staff are up from 4.13% last year to 4.93% this year. So it could be because of those, but it could also be a variety of other things. I haven't noticed too many double down the line, but I'm sure BroncoBob's powers of observation trump mine.

 

According to +/-, Gaby is a +1 on balls to his left, though.

Logan starting in left today.

 

 

 

1. Has he ever played left before?

 

2. If no, what do you think this means?

Interesting, but he's not taking Coghlan's place unless Coghlan slumps big time again.

Yea def not gonna take Cog's spot but why on earth would he play left

I have always maintained that it would be a good idea to get Logan some work in left.

 

he's already shown he's a capable 1B. If Gaby worked out however he's less flexible so the thinking would be Logan-Maybin-Stanton in the outfield.

 

'Course that's more relevant down the road if/when uggla and cody are moved.

Logan starting in left today.

 

1. Has he ever played left before?

 

2. If no, what do you think this means?

 

 

I believe he he has, so yes. Sporadically or as an abbreviated test. I don't remember which.

 

I think it means someone wants to see him in left and a number of options are probably being juggled.