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I know this (idea, at least) has been discussed elsewhere, but I figured this warranted its own thread. Here's the MLBTR update:

Long-Term Deals with Uggla, Nolasco?

 

 

Marlins To Explore Long-Term Deals With Players

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 26, 2010 at 10:09pm CST] The Marlins will explore multi-year deals with “more than one� of their current players, president of baseball operations Admin Beinfest told Juan C. Rodriguez of the South Florida Sun Sentinel. A source close to the Marlins told Rodriguez that the team hopes to sign Dan Uggla and Ricky Nolasco long-term this winter.

 

Both players have been in their share of trade rumors, but the club appears to have interest in keeping them around long-term. Nolasco will hit free agency after 2012 if the Marlins don't extend him, while Uggla would hit free agency after 2011.

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Juan C. also mentions in his article than Cantu could be on the move:

 

Original Article

 

 

Uggla, Nolasco staying put; Cantu could be on move

 

Coghlan gets MRI on balky left knee

SAN FRANCISCO A handful of Marlins are dealing with some uncertainty as Saturday's non-waiver trade deadline approaches. Dan Uggla and Ricky Nolasco aren't among them.

 

Before Monday's late game against the Giants at AT&T Park, President of Baseball Operations Admin Beinfest said he anticipated exploring multiyear agreements with "more than one" of his current players. A National League source who's spoken with the Marlins said they hope to sign Uggla and Nolasco long-term this offseason.

 

With Uggla off the market for the time being, that leaves pending free agents Jorge Cantu and Wes Helms as the most likely trade candidates in addition to Cody Ross, who is under team control for another season. According to various reports, the Rangers have emerged as a possible landing spot for Cantu. The Rockies and Giants also are believed to have inquired about him.

 

"There's going to be sad feelings if I leave this team," Cantu said. "I like the organization. It would be a little melancholic … Whatever happens, happens. Right now, I'm concerned about playing for the Marlins and hitting for the Marlins. That's all I can handle right now."

 

Beinfest was encouraged by the team's 7-3 homestand, but it doesn't sound like it would be enough to make the Marlins buyers in the true sense of the word.

 

"We've played better," Beinfest said. "There have been some times we haven't played well yet we've come out on the winning end so that's a good sign. …You have to look at the standings and be realistic. There are quite a few teams ahead of us in the wild-card race. We made a little bit of ground on the Braves, but they're still quite in the distance with the Mets and the Phillies ahead of us.

 

"If there's something we think makes sense, we'll do it. Are we going to force anything at this point? I wouldn't say so. Are we driven by the need to move money? That's a no ... We're going to open a new ballpark in 18 months and everything we do now is going to be very important as we look forward to opening that building, and we want to be very competitive when we move in there. There may be moves now that may [bear] fruit when we get there into '11 and onto '12, so we're looking at that as well."

 

The Marlins opened the week eight games back of the first-place Braves and 6 ½ games behind the Giants in the wild card race with five teams in between them.

 

Coghlan knee balky

 

Manager Edwin Rodriguez had every intention to play Chris Coghlan on Monday. Then he received a phone call informing him Coghlan was headed to the doctor for an MRI on his left knee.

 

The Marlins aren't exactly sure how or when he hurt it. When he disembarked the cross country flight from South Florida the knee was barking. Coghlan did not arrive at the ballpark in time to take batting practice.

 

Emilio Bonifacio led off and started in left for Coghlan.

 

Valentine door closed

 

ESPN analyst and one-time shoe-in Marlins manager Bobby Valentine told Dan LeBatard on 790 The Ticket Monday afternoon that his candidacy was "not a dead issue."

 

Valentine said owner Jeffrey Loria in their last conversation indicated that door would remain open.

 

A baseball source familiar with the Marlins managerial plans said if they replace Rodriguez this offseason it won't be with Valentine.

 

"Not going to happen," the source said.

 

Valentine did not shed much light on why he did not take over for the fired Fredi Gonzalez. He reiterated that he was insulted by the process. Whether he was referring to the Marlins' process or Major League Baseball's process mandating teams interview minorities is unclear.

 

"It had nothing to do with money," Valentine said. "It had nothing to do with years. It had nothing do to with the contract of the working agreement. That was already discussed and basically agreed on. Baseball has certain ways of doing things I guess. I never heard or was given a reason why I went from being in the position that I was in to being a non-candidate. I never had that explained that to me."

 

Valentine also quashed speculation that a personality clash with team president David Samson was the reason the deal fell apart, saying: "Not really, not that I know of. You'll have to ask Jeffrey. I didn't have much contact with David Samson."…

 

Rodriguez initially thought Bobby Cox before Sunday's game was congratulating him on his promotion from Triple-A. Instead, Cox was saluting him for his first ejection. Home plate umpire Lance Barksdale ran Rodriguez on Saturday for questioning balls and strikes. Cox owns the record with 156 ejections.

 

Said Rodriguez: "That was funny coming from him."

 

Juan C. Rodriguez can be reached at [email protected].

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Even if you trust his word, he said the "$50 million range" which means it could easily be in the low $50 Ms. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets close to $55 million.

 

They'll be paying much more for Ramirez and Johnson in 2011, but will possibly be shedding contracts of both Ross and Cantu, which are roughly $10 million.

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I was thinking earlier about how ironic it is that Ricky and JJ were the two kids relegated to the pen at the start of 2006, yet they are the ones still standing as the centerpiece of this rotation.

 

Ricky's had his struggles both this year and last, but he's shown an amazing resilience and ability to put the bad starts behind him and be a valuable pitcher.

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We'lI never know if Ricky could have finished the 7th okay so that's a really .moot point. I know Hutton has talked about the bad bullpen and so has the game thread, but what is Edwin going to do???? Keep sending in the same guys? Can't do that because the good relief pitchers won't l ast long. But I do think we need to make some moves, and the first one to go is Tank. He just seems to have lost all confidence in himself. Not sure if a demotion would help or it is DFA time :confused

 

Veras is normally pretty good so not sure what happened there. BUT I'm glad we have 2 run cushion :D

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We'lI never know if Ricky could have finished the 7th okay so that's a really .moot point. I know Hutton has talked about the bad bullpen and so has the game thread, but what is Edwin going to do???? Keep sending in the same guys? Can't do that because the good relief pitchers won't l ast long. But I do think we need to make some moves, and the first one to go is Tank. He just seems to have lost all confidence in himself. Not sure if a demotion would help or it is DFA time :confused

 

Veras is normally pretty good so not sure what happened there. BUT I'm glad we have 2 run cushion :D

 

 

No need to DFA Tank, he only job is to get Lefties out which he is extremely good at but he's gotten pretty unlucky at times with his defense and some weak hit balls. Also he shouldn't be pitching to Righties ever.

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We'lI never know if Ricky could have finished the 7th okay so that's a really .moot point. I know Hutton has talked about the bad bullpen and so has the game thread, but what is Edwin going to do???? Keep sending in the same guys? Can't do that because the good relief pitchers won't l ast long. But I do think we need to make some moves, and the first one to go is Tank. He just seems to have lost all confidence in himself. Not sure if a demotion would help or it is DFA time :confused

 

Veras is normally pretty good so not sure what happened there. BUT I'm glad we have 2 run cushion :D

 

 

Veras has been struggling with his command in all of his recent outings.

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Tank has given up 3 hits to lefties all year. I really feel that was on Edwin, terrible decision.

 

 

Even as a lefty specialist he needs to offer more to our bullpen than just what he currently does.

 

Bingo. What if there are two lefty hitters due up in an inning but with a right hander sandwiched between them? It means Tankersly cannot pitch the entire inning because he's not useful enough.

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Even if you trust his word, he said the "$50 million range" which means it could easily be in the low $50 Ms. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets close to $55 million.

 

They'll be paying much more for Ramirez and Johnson in 2011, but will possibly be shedding contracts of both Ross and Cantu, which are roughly $10 million.

 

 

Far too early to think about next year's payroll. But I can't remember Frisaro ever being right about it. More like him putting an incorrect low number out there and then someone putting a 10000 word post on how that number is right. And then changing their prediction almost daily. Looking at things right now, I would think your number is close, although on the light side a bit.

 

I don't know how they are going to go about using $$$ already recieved towards next season's payroll. Follow me here.... Most, if not all, season ticket holders have already paid for 2011. That $$$ hasn't been used for this season (see below), but season ticket sales is always the backbone of payroll. So we will see a raise in payroll because season ticket sales for next year have gone up from this year.

 

Now.....Most season ticket holders have already put 20% down on tickets for 2012, at a great increase in price. And alot of folks have doubled the amount of tickets they currently have. Another 30% is due next June. I seriously doubt they use 2012 $$$ towards 2011 payroll (see above), even tho they have already collected a nice chunk. Instead I think they wait and then we see a big raise coming in 2012, which will put us middle of the pack in payroll to open the new pond.

 

But that's just a guess. The Marlins rightfully haven't said anything yet.

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If the money falls into order locking up Nolasco and Uggla could be a huge effort by the team to continue to build on a strong foundation. While Uggla will never be mistaken for Orlando Hudson, he puts up numbers that no other secondbaseman in baseball can. As for Nolasco, really the only knock is his giving up too many HR's, has established himself as a solid # 2 starter. Seriously most teams would want to start a post season series with JJ and Ricky in its rotation 1 & 2. I hope this is something that gets done.

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If the money falls into order locking up Nolasco and Uggla could be a huge effort by the team to continue to build on a strong foundation. While Uggla will never be mistaken for Orlando Hudson, he puts up numbers that no other secondbaseman in baseball can. As for Nolasco, really the only knock is his giving up too many HR's, has established himself as a solid # 2 starter. Seriously most teams would want to start a post season series with JJ and Ricky in its rotation 1 & 2. I hope this is something that gets done.

 

 

Actually a few can put up better numbers like Cano, Kinsler, Weeks and Utley but I get what you were trying to say, he's one of the best hitting 2nd Baseman in the game and locking him up for another 2 or 3 years along with Nolaco for a reasonable price for both sides would be huge.

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If the money falls into order locking up Nolasco and Uggla could be a huge effort by the team to continue to build on a strong foundation. While Uggla will never be mistaken for Orlando Hudson, he puts up numbers that no other secondbaseman in baseball can. As for Nolasco, really the only knock is his giving up too many HR's, has established himself as a solid # 2 starter. Seriously most teams would want to start a post season series with JJ and Ricky in its rotation 1 & 2. I hope this is something that gets done.

 

 

Actually a few can put up better numbers like Cano, Kinsler, Weeks and Utley but I get what you were trying to say, he's one of the best hitting 2nd Baseman in the game and locking him up for another 2 or 3 years along with Nolaco for a reasonable price for both sides would be huge.

 

 

I strongly disagree that Rickie Weeks has put up better numbers than Uggla. If you're referring to only this season then you could definitely have an argument but if you're referring to over their careers (which I assume you are because you're responding to fanofthefish's post) , I feel like you're mistaken.

 

Also, I think your ranking of Kinsler over Uggla is debatable.

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Couple of months ago I was getting sick of Nolasco and poor performances but after his 6-1 record in his last 7 starts with big K numbers, I am once again a fan and wish him to be signed for a few years, providing the price is not too high. Also want Uggla to stay like most of us here. Yet again leading the team in HR

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