djm305 Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 That stat is pretty amazing when you think of how poorly he has pitched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFanPR Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 That stat is pretty amazing when you think of how poorly he has pitched. Agreed - couldn't believe it when I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Stealing my comment from the postgame thread and turning it into a new discussion :mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornfield Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 1) Volstad pitching opponent is normally bottom of the rotation for the other team .. meaning Marlins score lots of runs. 2)Volstad has been lucky. I see absolutely no good reason why the Marlins should ever put him on the mound again. There are better options in the system. Not great, but better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 1) Volstad pitching opponent is normally bottom of the rotation for the other team .. meaning Marlins score lots of runs. 2)Volstad has been lucky. I see absolutely no good reason why the Marlins should ever put him on the mound again. There are better options in the system. Not great, but better. His opponents in those starts: Kyle Lohse Clayton Kershaw James McDonald Tommy Hanson Livan Hernandez Zach Duke Chris Narveson Chris Carpenter Jordan Zimmerman Joe Blanton Scott Olsen Tommy Hanson Wandy Rodriguez James McDonald Scott Olsen Roy Oswalt Wade LeBlanc Jair Jurrjens So no. And even if they were at the bottom of the rotation, the good majority of those are still quality pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 you know, volstad has been pretty dominant against righties (.203 baa) this year. It's those pesky lefties and their .383 batting avg and 4 home runs that has caused such grief. Oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 So sexy you had to say it twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacitus Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Volstad's career record (2008-11) is 29 - 27, and the Marlins are almost exactly .500 in games he starts over his career. If, as a number five starter, he can keep that up over the rest of the season, then the Marlins will be in good shape. It would be great to have another top pitcher as our number five starter, but how realistic is that, given the typical Marlins budget constraints? The only real chance of improving on Volstad's record this season would be if there are no injuries to the other starters and someone in the minor leagues starts burning it up and continues to succeed when promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Volstad isn't keepign the ball down against LH hitters. That sums up his pitching woes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 1) Volstad pitching opponent is normally bottom of the rotation for the other team .. meaning Marlins score lots of runs. 2)Volstad has been lucky. I see absolutely no good reason why the Marlins should ever put him on the mound again. There are better options in the system. Not great, but better. His opponents in those starts: Kyle Lohse Clayton Kershaw James McDonald Tommy Hanson Livan Hernandez Zach Duke Chris Narveson Chris Carpenter Jordan Zimmerman Joe Blanton Scott Olsen Tommy Hanson Wandy Rodriguez James McDonald Scott Olsen Roy Oswalt Wade LeBlanc Jair Jurrjens So no. And even if they were at the bottom of the rotation, the good majority of those are still quality pitchers. PIED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Volstad isn't keepign the ball down against LH hitters. That sums up his pitching woes. Yup. and he really is dealin' to righties. I was actually pretty shocked by the L/R splits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Volstad has a 4.32 K/9 and 4 xFIP against righties this year. You can expect that "domination" to end sooner or later, as well. His dominating right-handed hitters has to do with a low .218 .BABIP against them, as opposed to the .296 he's allowed throughout his career. The guy continues to regress, and I wish he wasn't here anymore. Actually, I wished this at the trade deadline last year when the Cantu to Texas rumors were popping up, and he was rumored to be involved in the deal, as well. And he's not our #5; he's our #4. As mediocre as he is, Vazquez has just flat out sucked. And we're still 18-9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTopOfPhils Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Volstad isn't keepign the ball down against LH hitters. That sums up his pitching woes. I don't think it has to do with keeping the ball down. his stuff just doesn't fool lefties. The pitch berkman hit out last night was a slider down and in. the pitch mccann crushed was a sinker middle and down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Volstad isn't keepign the ball down against LH hitters. That sums up his pitching woes. I don't think it has to do with keeping the ball down. his stuff just doesn't fool lefties. The pitch berkman hit out last night was a slider down and in. the pitch mccann crushed was a sinker middle and down. His stuff doesn't fool anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirspud Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 For some reason, Volstad feels like the baseball equivalent of Chad Henne right now. He's supposed to be good, and many people around the league think highly of him, but the consistent production just isn't there and it's getting to the point where it seems less and less like having a bad year and more and more like having a bad career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Volstad isn't keepign the ball down against LH hitters. That sums up his pitching woes. I don't think it has to do with keeping the ball down. his stuff just doesn't fool lefties. The pitch berkman hit out last night was a slider down and in. the pitch mccann crushed was a sinker middle and down. Anecdotes are great, except that they are not. There was one of those heat charts on pitch location vs. lefties and the high-frequency location was around the waist and against righties is was around the knees. I will have to dig it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMagnus Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Josh johnson is like WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Josh johnson is like WTF lmao... exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Chris is a the ultimate professional pitcher, he knows how to win :| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Chris is a the ultimate professional pitcher, he knows how to win :| Was that pep talk from Charlie Sheen that installed the winning mentality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeyethesailor Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 He's getting a lot of run support now. Plus a few very well pitched games thrown in this 14-4 streak. (1:52 shutout vs Cards last year example) His career ERA is 4.57. Nolasco career ERA is 4.39. His HR/9 career is 1.07. Nolasco's HR/9 is worse 1.24. I'm surprised there ERA's are so close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Volstad will never be appreciated for his value. When you compare him only to 4th and 5th starters he looks a lot better. Also, there is little appreciation as fans for pitchers that are in their 4th season, at an age that most pitchers are hoping for a shot at the bigs. Nolasco, with similar performance, is going to be more highly thought of because when he is on, he owns. Volstad is never going to just dominate, when gets it all together he is just going to quietly retire guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishes on the Pond Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Wow, I didn't realize the stats were that good. It seemed for a long while we kept losing the game with him pitching even when he had an okay game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeyethesailor Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Volstad will never be appreciated for his value. When you compare him only to 4th and 5th starters he looks a lot better. Also, there is little appreciation as fans for pitchers that are in their 4th season, at an age that most pitchers are hoping for a shot at the bigs. Nolasco, with similar performance, is going to be more highly thought of because when he is on, he owns. Volstad is never going to just dominate, when gets it all together he is just going to quietly retire guys. Yeah you are right. I just realized last year Volstad pitched he was just 23. Halladay was BAD at 23 in 2000. And he looks bad compared to dominating Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Volstad will never be appreciated for his value. When you compare him only to 4th and 5th starters he looks a lot better. Also, there is little appreciation as fans for pitchers that are in their 4th season, at an age that most pitchers are hoping for a shot at the bigs. Nolasco, with similar performance, is going to be more highly thought of because when he is on, he owns. Volstad is never going to just dominate, when gets it all together he is just going to quietly retire guys. Yeah you are right. I just realized last year Volstad pitched he was just 23. Halladay was BAD at 23 in 2000. And he looks bad compared to dominating Johnson. Of the vaunted Phillies rotation, only 1 of the 4 had a full season as a starter before the age of 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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