gizmo Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 The following tweets are from Joe Capozzi: Jack McKeon says he wants mike Cameron to be #Marlins every day center fielder. Will b up to mike I then asked Joe about Coghlan, and he responded: jack did not address Coghlan. I think cogs will go to aaa On Mike Stanton: McKeon told mike Stanton he can be a 30-30 guy, wants Stanton to run more #Marlins Jack McKeon on mike Stanton --I don't want him to be (just) a home run hitter. I want him to be a complete player #Marlins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 Jeffrey Loria said jack McKeon will be considered as #Marlins mgr next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I don't see Stanton as a 30-30 guy. I think 40-10 would do me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiamiNative0722 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Jeffrey Loria said jack McKeon will be considered as #Marlins mgr next year. This i might not mind, i dont see many better options, no real upgrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroFishOne Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Awesome to have Jack as manager next year if you cant get Ozzie, but not liking Mike Cameron in center over Coghlan or even Peterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsfreak27 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Awesome to have Jack as manager next year if you cant get Ozzie, but not liking Mike Cameron in center over Coghlan or even Peterson. Yeah, I'm not ready to give up on Cogs yet. I still think he can get back to that rookie form that he flashed. He's probably just speaking for the rest of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirspud Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I wouldn't mind Jack managing next year, he's my favorite Marlins manager of all time. I just didn't know he'd even be interested, considering his age and that he may not want to spend all his time doing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoFishGoMs628 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Coghlan is in Double A with Jacksonville he went 1-5 with a Double in his first game back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Jack McKeon says he wants mike Cameron to be #Marlins every day center fielder. Will b up to mike This is simply mind boggling. Why would you choose Cameron in center over Boni in center with Dobbs on third? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherman shill Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Jack McKeon says he wants mike Cameron to be #Marlins every day center fielder. Will b up to mike This is simply mind boggling. Why would you choose Cameron in center over Boni in center with Dobbs on third? likely because Dobbs is going to be traded soon enough anyway and Cameron plays solid D still and they're banking on his bat coming around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Jack McKeon says he wants mike Cameron to be #Marlins every day center fielder. Will b up to mike This is simply mind boggling. Why would you choose Cameron in center over Boni in center with Dobbs on third? likely because Dobbs is going to be traded soon enough anyway and Cameron plays solid D still and they're banking on his bat coming around. Cameron is a career .250 hitter, his bat aint coming around ever. Also defense at center for us has not been a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbob1313 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 He may not be a good hitter now, bur if you think Cameron was a bad hitter in his career, you're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Career .249 with always at least twice as many Ks as BBs is a good hitter? Cameron stayed in the majors and made a name for himself because of his glove, not his bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 When Peterson was brought up, Jack told him he was going to get lots of playing time, regardless. He didn't care if he went 0-5 or 5-5, just play. Then, Cameron was acquired. Jack's comments suddenly changed, out of the clear blue sky. A couple of days ago, Loria was interviewed. He said that he had wanted Cameron on his team for 7 or 8 years, for both his playing skills and his ability to lead. It's pretty clear that Loria is very supportive of Cameron being here and starting. For all we know, Loria may be the only reason he's here and starting. It's pretty clear that Jack agrees, as he has also known Cameron for years and admires him, and has been starting him. The logical conclusion is that neither Loria nor Jack are enamored of the "leadership" provided by Auntie Wes. Loria's thinking probably goes back to ST when they had that 7-8 game losing streak and he read them the riot act. Loria's objections to their listless and generally half-assed play at the time was actually prescient. 3 months later, they experienced June. So, given the opportunity to pick up Cameron, it's not surprising at all that Loria approved it. It's pretty clear that Cameron is going to be getting 8 or 9 of every 10 starts in CF, barring a total disaster at the plate, and even then he's going to be given a long leash. It's pretty clear that Peterson is back to being a bench guy. Cameron is still a decent CF. He does still effortlessly glide around CF and Loria and Jack like that, so he's gonna start. He's got 13 seasons of .700+ OPS so he doesn't totally suck at the plate even though he's on the back side of the hill. Whether anyone thinks it's a good idea or not, we're gonna be seeing a lot of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 As for Jack managing next year, I think it's the greatest idea since sliced bread, and have already said so on other threads. Funny thing is, Jack is talking up Ozzie in the papers, especially the Chicago papers. Jack recommended Ozzie to Reinsdorf. He thinks highly of him. He also thinks Ozzie would be a perfect fit for the Marlins. Now, there's a guy who literally doesn't care about his job, unlike almost any manager in MLB history. Although Ozzie is making the same noises about his job in Chicago. :lol Jack is a realist, a no-nonsense guy. He doesn't tolerate BS from kids, of which he has a team-full. Which is exactly what they need. Which is why I think Jack is their best option for next year. If that doesn't work out, Ozzie, being a bit of a younger version of Jack, may be the next best thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbob1313 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Career .249 with always at least twice as many Ks as BBs is a good hitter? Cameron stayed in the majors and made a name for himself because of his glove, not his bat. It is when you average 70 walks and 23 home runs per 162 games Cameron was a great player because of his glove. He would have been in the majors even as an average defender. He's been an above average hitter his whole career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Career .249 with always at least twice as many Ks as BBs is a good hitter? Cameron stayed in the majors and made a name for himself because of his glove, not his bat. It is when you average 70 walks and 23 home runs per 162 games Cameron was a great player because of his glove. He would have been in the majors even as an average defender. He's been an above average hitter his whole career. OPS+ over 100 for 11 straight seasons. So yeah, there's no question he was above-average. And it's more impressive coming from a CF and even more impressive coming from a fantastic defensive CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirspud Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I've never been impressed with Peterson in his major league time, and I'm not gonna cry over him not getting much playing time. Neither he nor Cousins seem to have the physical talent or the ability to consistently square up the ball against major league pitching to become more than 4th or 5th outfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroFishOne Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I've never been impressed with Peterson in his major league time, and I'm not gonna cry over him not getting much playing time. Neither he nor Cousins seem to have the physical talent or the ability to consistently square up the ball against major league pitching to become more than 4th or 5th outfielders. Completely agree. I don't see either of them be becoming part of the starting lineup barring one of them hits a switch and turns crazy good. Coghlan is still our best option of the major league ready young group as far as I'm concerned. You have the great rookie year, the slow start his sophmore year before starting to get on a roll before the injury, then you have this year. This year it doesn't seem like you can tell when and if injuries were affecting him. He has made some phenomenal plays in center field and has been consistent in his fielding. Alot of people on here were doubting the position switch before the season, and for good reason, but he stepped up defensively. Im still saying he comes back when fully healed and does alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMagnus Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I think they should just let Mike Stanton play center field and right field, and he gets to bat twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Career .249 with always at least twice as many Ks as BBs is a good hitter? Cameron stayed in the majors and made a name for himself because of his glove, not his bat. It is when you average 70 walks and 23 home runs per 162 games Cameron was a great player because of his glove. He would have been in the majors even as an average defender. He's been an above average hitter his whole career. OPS+ over 100 for 11 straight seasons. So yeah, there's no question he was above-average. And it's more impressive coming from a CF and even more impressive coming from a fantastic defensive CF. OPS is irrelevant when you can look at batting average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Career .249 with always at least twice as many Ks as BBs is a good hitter? Cameron stayed in the majors and made a name for himself because of his glove, not his bat. It is when you average 70 walks and 23 home runs per 162 games Cameron was a great player because of his glove. He would have been in the majors even as an average defender. He's been an above average hitter his whole career. OPS+ over 100 for 11 straight seasons. So yeah, there's no question he was above-average. And it's more impressive coming from a CF and even more impressive coming from a fantastic defensive CF. OPS is irrelevant when you can look at batting average. Actually, I tend to look more (not entirely, just more) at runs produced for a hitter than most other stats. Runs scored and RBI's. Only one year was he big in that category. You win games by runs crossing the plate. Let's not forget all the complaints on this board when we were failing so badly at scoring with RISP. So try this scenario....What would everyone be saying about this signing if we hadn't started scoring runs and winning games? And yes I know, winning has gone deeper than just scoring runs, but...... I have nothing against Cameron being here. I kinda like the idea. At least for the remainder of this season. I just am not expecting alot from his bat. I do expect alot from him in other areas. I don't think he will be here next season, but ya never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babaru Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Ugh. I dont see the point in starting cameron. I don't see a better option at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Actually, I tend to look more (not entirely, just more) at runs produced for a hitter than most other stats. Runs scored and RBI's. Yup. Sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Joe Carter had a solid season in 1997. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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