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While we wait for the Pujols saga to play out, I thought I'd start a topic on Loria.

 

Irrespective of what happens with Pujols or which SP (if any) we sign, everyone in the baseball media fraternity has admitted that they were wrong about the Marlins genuine willingness to spend money.

 

For years we cried about how he was a penny-pinching thief who was robbing Florida of a good team. We endured firesales and rebuilding years several times over.

 

In many articles he's been quoted as saying "We've had a plan for 5 years now, we knew what we were doing". He's a smart businessman - he knows that to make the new stadium a success that he had to open his pockets (which he's been able to do by being thrifty for the last few years).

 

I was never his greatest fan before but now that the puzzle pieces are starting to fall together, I can see why he did things the way he did.

 

The new stadium and his willingness to open the checkbooks now seem to make this worthwhile.

 

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Loria is the best owner we've ever had. Under him we won the 2003 title due to his willingness to extend payroll and sign Pudge before the year. He tried to put a winner on the field most years including signing Carlos Delgado to a big deal. The fans didn't show after that Delgado signing though which is why he was shipped out.

 

The last couple of years he's shown a willingness to spend when he locked up Josh, Hanley and Ricky while also signing Buck and Vazquez last year. He also gave Infante a two year deal to keep him around.

 

We got a new ballpark that will revitalize the franchise as is being seen right now.

 

I may be forgetting a few things. Point is, I don't think he needs to be forgiven.

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This was brought up on the LeBatard show today. He feels that because of the past 48 hours, people should forgive the ownership for practically everything.

 

Loria and co. promised to be very active this offseason and obviously they have delivered, and may even bring one of the best players ever to Miami. Now if they stick to their commitments and don't trade everyone off in 3-5 years, I'll agree. But no matter what, Loria will always be better than Crater Face to me.

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For years we cried about how he was a penny-pinching thief who was robbing Florida of a good team. We endured firesales and rebuilding years several times over.

 

Maybe you did.

 

"We endured" under Loria exactly one unloading of payroll, following '05's big spending to no avail in terms of revenue. "Several times over" is a total mischaracterization. As in absolutely inaccurate. You're confusing Loria with previous owners.

 

But, it's always good when anyone who formerly cried about imaginary "penny-pinching" thieves "robbing" someone of something wakes up to reality.

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Mixed feelings on my end. The Cabrera trade was part of "the plan," I assume. I approached Samson and Beinfest at the Governor's Baseball Dinner at the Trop about it a few months after. Samson looked me in the eyes and said they really didn't want to do it but had to. I give them credit for finally getting the ballpark deal done. And now, we'll see. I'm still not their biggest fan.

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For years we cried about how he was a penny-pinching thief who was robbing Florida of a good team. We endured firesales and rebuilding years several times over.

 

Maybe you did.

 

"We endured" under Loria exactly one unloading of payroll, following '05's big spending to no avail in terms of revenue. "Several times over" is a total mischaracterization. As in absolutely inaccurate. You're confusing Loria with previous owners.

 

But, it's always good when anyone who formerly cried about imaginary "penny-pinching" thieves "robbing" someone of something wakes up to reality.

And those teams after the WS were underperfoming.

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For years we cried about how he was a penny-pinching thief who was robbing Florida of a good team. We endured firesales and rebuilding years several times over.

 

Maybe you did.

 

"We endured" under Loria exactly one unloading of payroll, following '05's big spending to no avail in terms of revenue. "Several times over" is a total mischaracterization. As in absolutely inaccurate. You're confusing Loria with previous owners.

 

But, it's always good when anyone who formerly cried about imaginary "penny-pinching" thieves "robbing" someone of something wakes up to reality.

 

Whoa, settle down. OK maybe I exaggerated the number of firesales he oversaw, however I was actually trying to praise Loria. A lot of people used the term penny-pinching thieves, not just me, in fact it was a majority sentiment on this board a few years ago. I have nothing but praise for what he's done over the last few years.

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For years we cried about how he was a penny-pinching thief who was robbing Florida of a good team. We endured firesales and rebuilding years several times over.

 

Maybe you did.

 

"We endured" under Loria exactly one unloading of payroll, following '05's big spending to no avail in terms of revenue. "Several times over" is a total mischaracterization. As in absolutely inaccurate. You're confusing Loria with previous owners.

 

But, it's always good when anyone who formerly cried about imaginary "penny-pinching" thieves "robbing" someone of something wakes up to reality.

 

Whoa, settle down. OK maybe I exaggerated the number of firesales he oversaw, however I was actually trying to praise Loria. A lot of people used the term penny-pinching thieves, not just me, in fact it was a majority sentiment on this board a few years ago. I have nothing but praise for what he's done over the last few years.

Settle down?

 

You're the exaggerator. You're the one who used incendiary phrases like "penny-pinching thief" and "robbing."

 

"Sentiment on this board" doesn't matter. Whether anyone else used any particular term doesn't matter. YOU used those terms explicitly.

 

Burp up totally ridiculous junk like that and you'll hear about it. From me, at least.

 

Loria, unlike any previous owner saved this franchise. Period. End of story.

 

If you really want to praise Loria, you might want to consider an alternative method.

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Mixed feelings on my end. The Cabrera trade was part of "the plan," I assume. I approached Samson and Beinfest at the Governor's Baseball Dinner at the Trop about it a few months after. Samson looked me in the eyes and said they really didn't want to do it but had to. I give them credit for finally getting the ballpark deal done. And now, we'll see. I'm still not their biggest fan.

 

They could have avoided it (or postponed it), if they had bought out Cabrera's arbitration. That's where they dropped the ball.

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Mixed feelings on my end. The Cabrera trade was part of "the plan," I assume. I approached Samson and Beinfest at the Governor's Baseball Dinner at the Trop about it a few months after. Samson looked me in the eyes and said they really didn't want to do it but had to. I give them credit for finally getting the ballpark deal done. And now, we'll see. I'm still not their biggest fan.

They could have avoided it (or postponed it), if they had bought out Cabrera's arbitration. That's where they dropped the ball.

 

Miggy was never going to sign here long term. People always forget that.

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Who were the real penny pinchers?? Loria, or the fans?

 

it's hard to argue "the fans."

the fans are the ones who went to games, or would have went to the games if not for money/time. the fans are the ones who were the 5000k in the stands every night. the other fans were up to 70 miles away in Broward, Palm Beach County, etc. who had better things to do.

 

the problem was that the Florida Marlins needed more fans.

baseball's not big in SoFla

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Mixed feelings on my end. The Cabrera trade was part of "the plan," I assume. I approached Samson and Beinfest at the Governor's Baseball Dinner at the Trop about it a few months after. Samson looked me in the eyes and said they really didn't want to do it but had to. I give them credit for finally getting the ballpark deal done. And now, we'll see. I'm still not their biggest fan.

They could have avoided it (or postponed it), if they had bought out Cabrera's arbitration. That's where they dropped the ball.

Miggy was never going to sign here long term. People always forget that.

 

Why wouldn't he? If there was a "five year plan" Loria could've easily signed Cabrera long term in anticipation of the new stadium revenues. I'm all for Loria but this is one trade they def screwed up.

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Mixed feelings on my end. The Cabrera trade was part of "the plan," I assume. I approached Samson and Beinfest at the Governor's Baseball Dinner at the Trop about it a few months after. Samson looked me in the eyes and said they really didn't want to do it but had to. I give them credit for finally getting the ballpark deal done. And now, we'll see. I'm still not their biggest fan.

They could have avoided it (or postponed it), if they had bought out Cabrera's arbitration. That's where they dropped the ball.

Miggy was never going to sign here long term. People always forget that.

 

Why wouldn't he? If there was a "five year plan" Loria could've easily signed Cabrera long term in anticipation of the new stadium revenues. I'm all for Loria but this is one trade they def screwed up.

 

The Marlins kept asking him to lose weight and they'll sign him to a long term deal. Miggy kept eating enchaladas and chorizo's while boozing it up. The Marlins weren't going to give that kind of money in their situation to a overweight first baseman (Fielder) because his skills will only further decline.

 

What happened once he was traded? He showed up months later 30lbs lighter and signed a contract. My opinion was he wanted to be a star, not just a big fish in a small pond.

 

He didn't attempt to lose weight, he was shipped out. To me it showed the Marlins were willing, but Miggy's mind was weak.

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if he signs fielder and cj wilson i will forgive him and look forward

 

What will you forgive him for?

 

being frugal, I will forgive him the following year after we win the world series and the team is still intact...

 

what if he went really crazy and even tried to add some big name pieces to put together a sustained run, even though he was operating under limited revenue streams and no fan support?!

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