Samson said the team has no plans to negotiate a contract extension with Anibal Sanchez, who will be eligible for free agency after the coming season. "We're going to let him go through the season," Samson said. Sanchez and the Marlins will face off Friday in an arbitration hearing to determine the pitcher's 2012 salary. Sanchez is asking for $8 million. The Marlins will be arguing for $6.9 million. Emilio Bonifacio will have his hearing next week.

 

interesting. sounds like they may be willing to let him walk.

 

they may be pretty pissed at his demands. i mean they have offered him very nice raises.

 

he made 1.25 million in 2010 and had a very solid year so they gave him 3.7 million last year.

 

after another solid year but only an 8-9 record i think the marlins offer of 6.9 million is more than fair. thats almost double his salary.

 

i think the 8 million anibal is asking for is a little high for a yearly raise. however, im sure hes using the moronic contract of ricky nolasco against the team.

 

 

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There probably just wanting to see what he's going to do for the upcoming year. If he has another year like last year with alot of up and downs, that would surely drop his price.

This doesn't seem very smart to me. They were willing to negotiate (and eventually sign) Ricky, but Anibal doesn't get the same treatment? It doesn't make sense. If you look at the numbers, Anibal's been improving over the last 3 seasons, whereas Ricky has actually regressed somewhat, for whatever reason.

I think some of you are underestimating what Sanchez will likely command on the open market next year. There's no way he would accept anything close to Nolasco's deal when he's only one year from free agency. C.J. got 5/77 (with a discount), and while he's a better pitcher than Sanchez, the gap isn't as huge as some might think.

 

I think its likely that some team would be willing to give him 4/45 or 5/60 in 2013 if he has a season similar to 2011. Personally, and obviously depending on the asking price, I have mixed feelings about whether the Marlins should sign him. They still have to consider potentially extending JJ after 2013 and obviously buying out Stanton. Not to mention a deep free agent pool in 2013. Keeping him for one more year and taking the compensation picks may be a decent idea. Or re-assess after 2012 based on his season. And there's a decent chance the Marlins win that arb hearing, IMO.

Theres no way he will get even close to CJ money. If he does it's more reflective of the Market next year and not of what he's worth. If he has a stellar year, Im sure someone would overpay him but I'm not sure he gets CJ money.

 

I hatethe Nolasco deal and would have rather given it to Sanchez but before 2010, Sanchez wasn't necessarily blowing us away minus the no-hitter. Both have been rather inconsistant, Nolasco more so than Sanchez. Both he and Ricky will get around the same type of contract, maybe a million less a year I imagine when it's all said and done.

 

Someone needs to put these two guys season numbers up side by side for the past 4 years.

Theres no way he will get even close to CJ money. If he does it's more reflective of the Market next year and not of what he's worth. If he has a stellar year, Im sure someone would overpay him but I'm not sure he gets CJ money.

 

I hatethe Nolasco deal and would have rather given it to Sanchez but before 2010, Sanchez wasn't necessarily blowing us away minus the no-hitter. Both have been rather inconsistant, Nolasco more so than Sanchez. Both he and Ricky will get around the same type of contract, maybe a million less a year I imagine when it's all said and done.

 

Someone needs to put these two guys season numbers up side by side for the past 4 years.

 

 

What he's "actually" worth is irrelevant. The market dictates what he's worth and what he'll choose to accept. And I didn't say he would get C.J. money exactly, which was also discounted because he wanted to play in Cali.

 

5/60 is not at all an unreasonable projection based on the comparables if he repeats his 2011 success. There are projections of him being worth more than that. I garuntee you he won't accept Nolasco money, which is what I would guess the Marlins are offering. They're not even comparable based on the years left before free agency.

Theres no way he will get even close to CJ money. If he does it's more reflective of the Market next year and not of what he's worth. If he has a stellar year, Im sure someone would overpay him but I'm not sure he gets CJ money.

 

I hatethe Nolasco deal and would have rather given it to Sanchez but before 2010, Sanchez wasn't necessarily blowing us away minus the no-hitter. Both have been rather inconsistant, Nolasco more so than Sanchez. Both he and Ricky will get around the same type of contract, maybe a million less a year I imagine when it's all said and done.

 

Someone needs to put these two guys season numbers up side by side for the past 4 years.

 

 

Challenge accepted.

 

Ricky Nolasco: 52-38, 4.41 ERA, 1.256 WHIP, 761 IP, 1.9 BB/9, 8.0 K/9

 

Anibal Sanchez: 27-34, 3.84 ERA, 1.369 WHIP, 529 IP, 3.5 BB/9, 8.3 K/9

 

That ERA from Ani is dazzling, but Ricky seems to have better peripherals. And is healthier. Ricky's ERA is inflated because he has about 4-5 automatic losses a year of 6-7+ ER outings. Which I think is fine because he also gives the same amount of absolutely dominating performances, along with a solid string of 7+ IP, 2-3 ER.

 

In conclusion, Ricky is the better pitcher. Just consistently inconsistent.

Theres no way he will get even close to CJ money. If he does it's more reflective of the Market next year and not of what he's worth. If he has a stellar year, Im sure someone would overpay him but I'm not sure he gets CJ money.

 

I hatethe Nolasco deal and would have rather given it to Sanchez but before 2010, Sanchez wasn't necessarily blowing us away minus the no-hitter. Both have been rather inconsistant, Nolasco more so than Sanchez. Both he and Ricky will get around the same type of contract, maybe a million less a year I imagine when it's all said and done.

 

Someone needs to put these two guys season numbers up side by side for the past 4 years.

 

 

What he's "actually" worth is irrelevant. The market dictates what he's worth and what he'll choose to accept. And I didn't say he would get C.J. money exactly, which was also discounted because he wanted to play in Cali.

 

5/60 is not at all an unreasonable projection based on the comparables if he repeats his 2011 success. There are projections of him being worth more than that. I garuntee you he won't accept Nolasco money, which is what I would guess the Marlins are offering. They're not even comparable based on the years left before free agency.

 

If he makes an average salary of more than $10 mil a year I'll eat my words and then proceed to say he's overpaid. Granted that's only if he has a Comparable year to last year. Anibal is a good pitcher but I don't see him being worth more than that with his current record. If he has a stellar year as I said, he will definitely get more.

 

Not saying your wrong becuase you may be right and salaries are going to keep going up and up, I just diasgree.

 

And what he's worth is not irrelevant. Of course the market dictates what hes worth but that's an easy way to put it too rationalize an overpayment. I've never agreed with that way of thinking because it leads to being complacent.

From the Miami Marlins Facebook page:

 

 

 

 

Miami Marlins

ARBITRATION UPDATE: Anibal Sanchez has won his arbitration case against the Marlins. Will earn $8 million this season. Marlins had offered $6.9 million.

I like the move. They probably just want to "wait and see" how he performs and see if he stays healthy. He's been solid for the past two seasons, but there really isn't a compelling reason to get a deal done this offseason.

 

There's also some question marks regarding the status of some of the other arms. The Marlins need to see if Johnson can stay healthy and Nolasco can pitch well enough to earn his paycheck.

 

It's also smarter to have the flexibility to play the market next offseason when there will be a lot of starting pitchers available.

From the Miami Marlins Facebook page:

 

Miami Marlins

ARBITRATION UPDATE: Anibal Sanchez has won his arbitration case against the Marlins. Will earn $8 million this season. Marlins had offered $6.9 million.

 

 

That's not the Marlins, it's a kid who is claiming that is the official page. While it is a fact that Sanchez won his arbitration case, it's important people know that account is just parading around as the Marlins. Hopefully the Marlins see it because it can't be legal to do what he is doing. He just picked up the news from other reports. Their official one is http://www.facebook.com/Marlins

Theres no way he will get even close to CJ money. If he does it's more reflective of the Market next year and not of what he's worth. If he has a stellar year, Im sure someone would overpay him but I'm not sure he gets CJ money.

 

I hatethe Nolasco deal and would have rather given it to Sanchez but before 2010, Sanchez wasn't necessarily blowing us away minus the no-hitter. Both have been rather inconsistant, Nolasco more so than Sanchez. Both he and Ricky will get around the same type of contract, maybe a million less a year I imagine when it's all said and done.

 

Someone needs to put these two guys season numbers up side by side for the past 4 years.

 

 

Challenge accepted.

 

Ricky Nolasco: 52-38, 4.41 ERA, 1.256 WHIP, 761 IP, 1.9 BB/9, 8.0 K/9

 

Anibal Sanchez: 27-34, 3.84 ERA, 1.369 WHIP, 529 IP, 3.5 BB/9, 8.3 K/9

 

That ERA from Ani is dazzling, but Ricky seems to have better peripherals. And is healthier. Ricky's ERA is inflated because he has about 4-5 automatic losses a year of 6-7+ ER outings. Which I think is fine because he also gives the same amount of absolutely dominating performances, along with a solid string of 7+ IP, 2-3 ER.

 

In conclusion, Ricky is the better pitcher. Just consistently inconsistent.

 

Looking at the last four years to determine who the better pitcher is right now is rather silly.

Compare the last two years; this isn't even close.

 

Anibal wasn't healthy four years ago.

Theres no way he will get even close to CJ money. If he does it's more reflective of the Market next year and not of what he's worth. If he has a stellar year, Im sure someone would overpay him but I'm not sure he gets CJ money.

 

I hatethe Nolasco deal and would have rather given it to Sanchez but before 2010, Sanchez wasn't necessarily blowing us away minus the no-hitter. Both have been rather inconsistant, Nolasco more so than Sanchez. Both he and Ricky will get around the same type of contract, maybe a million less a year I imagine when it's all said and done.

 

Someone needs to put these two guys season numbers up side by side for the past 4 years.

 

 

Challenge accepted.

 

Ricky Nolasco: 52-38, 4.41 ERA, 1.256 WHIP, 761 IP, 1.9 BB/9, 8.0 K/9

 

Anibal Sanchez: 27-34, 3.84 ERA, 1.369 WHIP, 529 IP, 3.5 BB/9, 8.3 K/9

 

That ERA from Ani is dazzling, but Ricky seems to have better peripherals. And is healthier. Ricky's ERA is inflated because he has about 4-5 automatic losses a year of 6-7+ ER outings. Which I think is fine because he also gives the same amount of absolutely dominating performances, along with a solid string of 7+ IP, 2-3 ER.

 

In conclusion, Ricky is the better pitcher. Just consistently inconsistent.

 

Looking at the last four years to determine who the better pitcher is right now is rather silly.

Compare the last two years; this isn't even close.

 

Anibal wasn't healthy four years ago.

 

I think that's part of the arguement in Ricky's favor. He gets paid to pitch, health is a big factor when looking at signing someone long-term. But I don't think this organization has seen eye to eye with Anibal from the get go. They're arguing about money every year.

Theres no way he will get even close to CJ money. If he does it's more reflective of the Market next year and not of what he's worth. If he has a stellar year, Im sure someone would overpay him but I'm not sure he gets CJ money.

 

I hatethe Nolasco deal and would have rather given it to Sanchez but before 2010, Sanchez wasn't necessarily blowing us away minus the no-hitter. Both have been rather inconsistant, Nolasco more so than Sanchez. Both he and Ricky will get around the same type of contract, maybe a million less a year I imagine when it's all said and done.

 

Someone needs to put these two guys season numbers up side by side for the past 4 years.

 

 

Challenge accepted.

 

Ricky Nolasco: 52-38, 4.41 ERA, 1.256 WHIP, 761 IP, 1.9 BB/9, 8.0 K/9

 

Anibal Sanchez: 27-34, 3.84 ERA, 1.369 WHIP, 529 IP, 3.5 BB/9, 8.3 K/9

 

That ERA from Ani is dazzling, but Ricky seems to have better peripherals. And is healthier. Ricky's ERA is inflated because he has about 4-5 automatic losses a year of 6-7+ ER outings. Which I think is fine because he also gives the same amount of absolutely dominating performances, along with a solid string of 7+ IP, 2-3 ER.

 

In conclusion, Ricky is the better pitcher. Just consistently inconsistent.

 

Looking at the last four years to determine who the better pitcher is right now is rather silly.

Compare the last two years; this isn't even close.

 

Anibal wasn't healthy four years ago.

 

Not only this, but you also have to remember that using the whole 'peripherals' argument is retarded if you're talking about four seasons that have already passed.

 

Fact is that over those four years Anibal has a better ERA and Ricky has a worse ERA. His peripherals mean sh*t if he's not posting the numbers.

From the Miami Marlins Facebook page:

 

Miami Marlins

ARBITRATION UPDATE: Anibal Sanchez has won his arbitration case against the Marlins. Will earn $8 million this season. Marlins had offered $6.9 million.

 

 

That's not the Marlins, it's a kid who is claiming that is the official page. While it is a fact that Sanchez won his arbitration case, it's important people know that account is just parading around as the Marlins. Hopefully the Marlins see it because it can't be legal to do what he is doing. He just picked up the news from other reports. Their official one is http://www.facebook.com/Marlins

He's not doing anything wrong, as far as I know. If he got the news out before the official Marlins page, then more power to him. Everything that I've seen him post has been factual thus far, so ... eh. *shrug*

He's not doing anything wrong, as far as I know. If he got the news out before the official Marlins page, then more power to him. Everything that I've seen him post has been factual thus far, so ... eh. *shrug*

 

 

Yeah except for the whole description that says official on the left hand side. He just copies stuff from other reports and presents it as the Marlins saying it

Theres no way he will get even close to CJ money. If he does it's more reflective of the Market next year and not of what he's worth. If he has a stellar year, Im sure someone would overpay him but I'm not sure he gets CJ money.

 

I hatethe Nolasco deal and would have rather given it to Sanchez but before 2010, Sanchez wasn't necessarily blowing us away minus the no-hitter. Both have been rather inconsistant, Nolasco more so than Sanchez. Both he and Ricky will get around the same type of contract, maybe a million less a year I imagine when it's all said and done.

 

Someone needs to put these two guys season numbers up side by side for the past 4 years.

 

 

Challenge accepted.

 

Ricky Nolasco: 52-38, 4.41 ERA, 1.256 WHIP, 761 IP, 1.9 BB/9, 8.0 K/9

 

Anibal Sanchez: 27-34, 3.84 ERA, 1.369 WHIP, 529 IP, 3.5 BB/9, 8.3 K/9

 

That ERA from Ani is dazzling, but Ricky seems to have better peripherals. And is healthier. Ricky's ERA is inflated because he has about 4-5 automatic losses a year of 6-7+ ER outings. Which I think is fine because he also gives the same amount of absolutely dominating performances, along with a solid string of 7+ IP, 2-3 ER.

 

In conclusion, Ricky is the better pitcher. Just consistently inconsistent.

 

Looking at the last four years to determine who the better pitcher is right now is rather silly.

Compare the last two years; this isn't even close.

 

Anibal wasn't healthy four years ago.

 

Not only this, but you also have to remember that using the whole 'peripherals' argument is retarded if you're talking about four seasons that have already passed.

 

Fact is that over those four years Anibal has a better ERA and Ricky has a worse ERA. His peripherals mean sh*t if he's not posting the numbers.

 

Even if we're going by peripherals, Anibal is still winning.

 

The only thing that held Anibal back was his torn labrum surgery. Now, he's back to full strength. He's one of the most underrated pitchers in the game right now.

 

Also, when taking contracts into account, upside should be considered. Anibal is constantly improving. Nolasco, on the other hand, is regressing, somewhat.

And he just got an $8M contract through arbitration.

6 years/70 million, 250K if gets 200 IP, 300 K if he gets 200+ K, 1 million if he gets 15 or more wins.

 

And throw in a new car.

 

Done. I'm a baller.

6 years/70 million, 250K if gets 200 IP, 300 K if he gets 200+ K, 1 million if he gets 15 or more wins.

 

And throw in a new car.

 

Done. I'm a baller.

 

 

Huh?

....

 

That's the contract and incentives I would give him. Signing bonus be a new car.

 

You know you like it

6 years/70 million, 250K if gets 200 IP, 300 K if he gets 200+ K, 1 million if he gets 15 or more wins.

 

And throw in a new car.

 

Done. I'm a baller.

 

 

I'd still rather have a shot at one of the many free agent pitchers at that price.

My Deal to FA Pitcher's:

 

5 years/30 million. Incentives 100K for 190 IP, 200K for 200+K's, 200K for 11 or more wins. 10K whenever he pitches inside to Uggla, 5K whenever he gets a walk or a hit as a batter.

 

And three new cars and gas for a year..signing bonus.

 

I'm just crazy today...

Hire this man!

I would rather see them extend Anibal then sign Cespedes...