Also dietrich just hasn't shown me that he can be an everyday starter in the MLB but he could be a good bat off the bench since he's a lefty and has a little poop.

 

 

I wish his poop was bigger.

I think I'm done here.

Dietrich is adjusting, just like all rookies do. I have a lot more faith in him being productive than Solano as an every-day starter, and that's more from Minor League track record as well as what I've seen from Derek thus far.

 

But, refer to first line of this post.

 

 

I respect your opinion bro. I disagree and think that Solano is a far superior defender and hitter than Dietrich, but I espect your opinion and hey it's up to Mike Redmond not us and I'm sure he knows more then we do and will play the best guy to give the team the chance to win. I do agree that Ditrich has more pop like I said before so having his bat out there everyday isnt a bad thing either maybe.

Also dietrich just hasn't shown me that he can be an everyday starter in the MLB but he could be a good bat off the bench since he's a lefty and has a little poop.

 

 

I wish his poop was bigger.

 

 

you are gross.

but don't you think that can be a very good rotation bro?

 

 

very good? no. kind of good? probably not

Fernandez and Alvarez will be somewhere between decent and really good. Nolasco isn't well above average; he's average. Eovaldi isn't a good #2; he's a good #4, hopefully. the rest of those guys are #5 starters on a good team.

 

I don't know how this got turned in to a Miguel Cabrera thread. He doesn't even play here anymore and I for one am glad. He is a good hitter but we can't afford one salary on this team that is the size of his salary it would cripple us for years. Watch what happens to the Tigers because in a couple years when he declines and they still have to pay him they will be pereniel celler dwellers thanks to his contract and untradability. He can't play any positions in the field so he has to stay in the American League also lets not forget that. Anyway enough about Cabrera we all have to move on.

 

Back o topic this team has very good players coming in and there is no way that a team with this much amazing talentt ends up being a historicaly bad record at the end of the year. There is no way. I think we have a chance to finish 3rd in the division and there is a chance that when stanton and solano comes back and yelich comes up and ozuna keeps hitting like a monster and Cogz keeps on his great pace we can make a run towards 500 in the second half. It wouldn't be that crazy. I think it would be MORE CRAZY if this team with all this talent loses 100 games. THAT is what would be crazy.

 

The pitching has been tremendous this year. We need to start scoring runs for the starters and that is going to happen when we finally get everyone in there playing their positions. With a lineup like this how can we say that the team will lose 100 games?

 

LF OZUNA (monster in training)

CF YELICH (superstar talent)

RF STANTON (monster when healthy)

3B COGHLIN (got to keep his bat in the lineup and polanco has to go)

SS HECHAVERRIA (Ozzy smith 2.0)

2B SOLANO (steady bat and gold glove potential defense)

1B MORRISSON (young and ready to prove himself)

C BRANTLY (could be another Paul LaDuca if defense improves)

P- we have Nolasco (well above average), Evoldi (potential ace or no 2), Slowey (breakout year), Alverez (brings the heat) and Koehler or Wade LaBlanc who are both great for 5th starters.

 

Add in that we have a very solid bullpen with one of the best closers in the MLB (cishek hasn't had enough chances yet this year) and I just do not see any way that this team loses 100 games. That is a GOOD lineup that is potentially GREAT when we get the injured players back and Yelich hits the scene. And the pitching has already been tremendous. We have been injured and unlucky. It is still early and we can dig out of this hole. It really isn't that bad.

 

Oh

My

God

Hechavarria (Ozzie Smith 2.0).

 

David Samson, is that you?

 

PS: I liked the post for how insane it is. Not only did you misspell six names (Morrison, Coghlan, Eovaldi, Alvarez, LeBlanc and Hechavarria), but you compared a player who can't hit the Mendoza line to the greatest shortstop in history, you called Cishek the best closer in baseball, Ozuna a monster...

 

You know what. I started reading and suddenly I just now realized I'm feeding the troll...I should just stop now

 

As for the "this team has no way of losing 100 games". We have to go 50-59 the rest of the season to lose 99 games. We're currently 13-40, or roughly 27 games under .500 and we haven't even reached the two month mark yet.

 

It's not being pessimistic to say this team will lose 100 games, it's just obvious.

I can't tell if this SomethingFishy guy is serious yet.

 

 

He's not.

I can't tell if this SomethingFishy guy is serious yet.

 

He's not.Theres something fishy about this

First off, I think I can speak for the majority of the board and say im definitely not "attacking " you. We make jokes but its mostly good natured, after all we're all here for essentially the same thing.

 

Regardless, I just think ur like in February pre season hype mode. I get uve got highhopes for ur team but just look at all the numbers through 53 games .... this team will likely improve over the year but we're almost certainly gonna be a 100 loss team. To avoid that and be better than the 2012 team would take an unprecedented miracle. We're being realistic. U say this team can sniff. 500 and even be in third place? Did I miss something and the Phillies and Mets are due for contraction in June? If not, we'll be nowhere near third place. Ur spouting out a fantasy. I wish u were right. But no.

Look.... it's not about this year (although i do expect this team to surprise the bejeezus out of all the "experts" in the second half)... It is about next year and beyond. And we have a heck of a group of guys who can flat out play. Defensively we are going to be so solid in the outfield with monster talent and on the infield we have the best defensive shortstop in the game, a rock solid second baseman and a catcher being mentored by a gold glove caliber veteran named Mathis. The only spots that are below average right now are the corners of first and third and they will be getting better hopefully when they move Cogz to 3b and Lomo gets settled in and adjusts to the infield. I expect to be in the top 5 in team defense next year. We will probably have the best defensive outfield in baseball (DEFINITELY in the NL). The infield might not be that solid except up the middle with Hecheverria and Solano, but really they can sign a good 3b and Lomo will improve. I dare anybody to take an extra base on Stanton, Ozuna or yelich. This is the best core we have had in place since the 2003 team. Actually there can be alot of coparisons made to the 2003 team but maybe in another thread because that would be interesting.

I don't know how this got turned in to a Miguel Cabrera thread. He doesn't even play here anymore and I for one am glad. He is a good hitter but we can't afford one salary on this team that is the size of his salary it would cripple us for years. Watch what happens to the Tigers because in a couple years when he declines and they still have to pay him they will be pereniel celler dwellers thanks to his contract and untradability. He can't play any positions in the field so he has to stay in the American League also lets not forget that. Anyway enough about Cabrera we all have to move on.

 

Back o topic this team has very good players coming in and there is no way that a team with this much amazing talentt ends up being a historicaly bad record at the end of the year. There is no way. I think we have a chance to finish 3rd in the division and there is a chance that when stanton and solano comes back and yelich comes up and ozuna keeps hitting like a monster and Cogz keeps on his great pace we can make a run towards 500 in the second half. It wouldn't be that crazy. I think it would be MORE CRAZY if this team with all this talent loses 100 games. THAT is what would be crazy.

 

The pitching has been tremendous this year. We need to start scoring runs for the starters and that is going to happen when we finally get everyone in there playing their positions. With a lineup like this how can we say that the team will lose 100 games?

 

LF OZUNA (monster in training)

CF YELICH (superstar talent)

RF STANTON (monster when healthy)

3B COGHLIN (got to keep his bat in the lineup and polanco has to go)

SS HECHAVERRIA (Ozzy smith 2.0)

2B SOLANO (steady bat and gold glove potential defense)

1B MORRISSON (young and ready to prove himself)

C BRANTLY (could be another Paul LaDuca if defense improves)

P- we have Nolasco (well above average), Evoldi (potential ace or no 2), Slowey (breakout year), Alverez (brings the heat) and Koehler or Wade LaBlanc who are both great for 5th starters.

 

Add in that we have a very solid bullpen with one of the best closers in the MLB (cishek hasn't had enough chances yet this year) and I just do not see any way that this team loses 100 games. That is a GOOD lineup that is potentially GREAT when we get the injured players back and Yelich hits the scene. And the pitching has already been tremendous. We have been injured and unlucky. It is still early and we can dig out of this hole. It really isn't that bad.

 

Oh

My

God

 

 

what

I don't know how this got turned in to a Miguel Cabrera thread. He doesn't even play here anymore and I for one am glad. He is a good hitter but we can't afford one salary on this team that is the size of his salary it would cripple us for years. Watch what happens to the Tigers because in a couple years when he declines and they still have to pay him they will be pereniel celler dwellers thanks to his contract and untradability. He can't play any positions in the field so he has to stay in the American League also lets not forget that. Anyway enough about Cabrera we all have to move on.

 

Back o topic this team has very good players coming in and there is no way that a team with this much amazing talentt ends up being a historicaly bad record at the end of the year. There is no way. I think we have a chance to finish 3rd in the division and there is a chance that when stanton and solano comes back and yelich comes up and ozuna keeps hitting like a monster and Cogz keeps on his great pace we can make a run towards 500 in the second half. It wouldn't be that crazy. I think it would be MORE CRAZY if this team with all this talent loses 100 games. THAT is what would be crazy.

 

The pitching has been tremendous this year. We need to start scoring runs for the starters and that is going to happen when we finally get everyone in there playing their positions. With a lineup like this how can we say that the team will lose 100 games?

 

LF OZUNA (monster in training)

CF YELICH (superstar talent)

RF STANTON (monster when healthy)

3B COGHLIN (got to keep his bat in the lineup and polanco has to go)

SS HECHAVERRIA (Ozzy smith 2.0)

2B SOLANO (steady bat and gold glove potential defense)

1B MORRISSON (young and ready to prove himself)

C BRANTLY (could be another Paul LaDuca if defense improves)

P- we have Nolasco (well above average), Evoldi (potential ace or no 2), Slowey (breakout year), Alverez (brings the heat) and Koehler or Wade LaBlanc who are both great for 5th starters.

 

Add in that we have a very solid bullpen with one of the best closers in the MLB (cishek hasn't had enough chances yet this year) and I just do not see any way that this team loses 100 games. That is a GOOD lineup that is potentially GREAT when we get the injured players back and Yelich hits the scene. And the pitching has already been tremendous. We have been injured and unlucky. It is still early and we can dig out of this hole. It really isn't that bad.

 

Oh

My

God

 

 

what

 

 

 

 

pardon

I don't know how this got turned in to a Miguel Cabrera thread. He doesn't even play here anymore and I for one am glad. He is a good hitter but we can't afford one salary on this team that is the size of his salary it would cripple us for years. Watch what happens to the Tigers because in a couple years when he declines and they still have to pay him they will be pereniel celler dwellers thanks to his contract and untradability. He can't play any positions in the field so he has to stay in the American League also lets not forget that. Anyway enough about Cabrera we all have to move on.

 

Back o topic this team has very good players coming in and there is no way that a team with this much amazing talentt ends up being a historicaly bad record at the end of the year. There is no way. I think we have a chance to finish 3rd in the division and there is a chance that when stanton and solano comes back and yelich comes up and ozuna keeps hitting like a monster and Cogz keeps on his great pace we can make a run towards 500 in the second half. It wouldn't be that crazy. I think it would be MORE CRAZY if this team with all this talent loses 100 games. THAT is what would be crazy.

 

The pitching has been tremendous this year. We need to start scoring runs for the starters and that is going to happen when we finally get everyone in there playing their positions. With a lineup like this how can we say that the team will lose 100 games?

 

LF OZUNA (monster in training)

CF YELICH (superstar talent)

RF STANTON (monster when healthy)

3B COGHLIN (got to keep his bat in the lineup and polanco has to go)

SS HECHAVERRIA (Ozzy smith 2.0)

2B SOLANO (steady bat and gold glove potential defense)

1B MORRISSON (young and ready to prove himself)

C BRANTLY (could be another Paul LaDuca if defense improves)

P- we have Nolasco (well above average), Evoldi (potential ace or no 2), Slowey (breakout year), Alverez (brings the heat) and Koehler or Wade LaBlanc who are both great for 5th starters.

 

Add in that we have a very solid bullpen with one of the best closers in the MLB (cishek hasn't had enough chances yet this year) and I just do not see any way that this team loses 100 games. That is a GOOD lineup that is potentially GREAT when we get the injured players back and Yelich hits the scene. And the pitching has already been tremendous. We have been injured and unlucky. It is still early and we can dig out of this hole. It really isn't that bad.

 

 

That is some serious fantasy you got going there. I just hope they don't lose 130 games.

Cabrera was an incomplete player with a bad attitude. The Marlins were able to get great value for him and whether the players worked out for us or not is completely irelevent because being a good gm is about getting the best value back in a trade and not looking at all the trades in hindsite and at the time Maybin and Miller were considered a bounty for Cabrera who had worn out his welcome with us. Hanley was overpaid and had a major attitude problem and Beinfest got us a potential number one starter in Evoldi and Hanley has played badly with the Dodgers since they got him and is injured this year surprise surprise. Some of you are so down on Solano for some reason but he had a great year at the plate last year and plays a very solid 2nd base. His average was on the rise when he got injured and this team really misses his defense so I for one can't wait to see him back in the lineup. Mathis was brought here to teach Brantly how to catch so if he hits at all he is a bonus because he brings gold glove defense and gives Brantly a mentor. We can argue all day about the Cantera trade but like I said there is nobody who knew he would be a triple crown threat and his attitude and defense with us made him such a bad fit that he had to go. We got back a bonanza in the trade but sometimes players don't work out. Try and focus on all the players that DID work out and you will all be in a better mood believe me. And more players have worked out than haven't worked out for this team. The glass is half FULL. We will still finish with a better record then last year's joke of a team. Oh and how is Toronto doing this year? Hmmmmm... ...

 

 

A. Eovaldi is not a potential one starter. When he was acquired many questioned whether he has the talent to stick in the rotation at all and if he does he is considered a back of the rotation arm.

 

B. Look up Solano's minor league stats. He wont hit at the major league level. He had a little uncharacteristic hot streak in the 6 games before he got injured...but hrough the first 24 games of the year, he hit .244/.309/.267. He had a grand total of 2 extra base hits. And to go even further, if you take out that fluke 3/5 game against the Mets in game #6 of the year, his line through 24 games was .221/.294/.234. And no, the team isnt missing his defense, he is a butcher at 2nd base. Stone hands and no range. He wouldnt be a starter on any other team and its doubtful he would be a bench bat on many of them either. He is not a major league caliber baseball player, even on a bad team.

 

C. Defensive metrics show that Mathis is an average to mediocre defensive catcher and he cant hit at all

 

D. How was Cabrera "not a complete hitter"?

 

E. Cabrera didnt "wear out his welcome". The front office just mishandled his arbitration years about as badly as a franchise possibly could.

 

 

I don't know how this got turned in to a Miguel Cabrera thread. He doesn't even play here anymore and I for one am glad. He is a good hitter but we can't afford one salary on this team that is the size of his salary it would cripple us for years. Watch what happens to the Tigers because in a couple years when he declines and they still have to pay him they will be pereniel celler dwellers thanks to his contract and untradability. He can't play any positions in the field so he has to stay in the American League also lets not forget that. Anyway enough about Cabrera we all have to move on.

 

He is a "GREAT" hitter actually. Like Hall of Fame caliber bat. And you realize that when his contract is up with Detroit, he will be the ripe old age of...32.

Wow you guys are like a wolfpack why are you attacking me????? I'm just a lamb for some of you now I see why piazza31 doesn't post or brocobob because you all jump down there throat sometimes. If you do not like the lineup idea i posted tell me why don't just dismiss what I say because Im a new memebr. I have been reading the forum for YEARS and just didn't register for reasons I told you all before but this is the only place I can talk about the marlins because NOBODY ever talks about them not the media or anything!!!! its like they don't exist down here except to us. So come on we are all on the same side and i know alot about the game so i can probably even teach some of you about it and i can learn from some of you maybe also.

 

dude you are totally right i left out fernandez and put alverez instead lol. So yeah bender i see why YOU thought i was crazy. I got the names mixed up sorry. but don't you think that can be a very good rotation bro?

 

 

 

Nah. Never cared about that. I'm mostly just sitting back and laughing right now. Going into last season I did say that that payroll and players had better, at the very least, make the playoffs and attendance better be way up or it would be a one year thing. The complete fire sale was a bit more than expected, but...... Of course being told on this board to stay in my own county where I belong and to watch South Dade fans show us "northern" fans how to attend games kinda ticked me off, but the new driveway I am installing with the $$$ I saved has really lessened that.

D. How was Cabrera "not a complete hitter"?

 

E. Cabrera didnt "wear out his welcome". The front office just mishandled his arbitration years about as badly as a franchise possibly could.

 

 

 

 

 

I must have missed the "complete hitter" comment. I did see a couple of "complete player" comments. He is a bit over the top on a lot of things, but he was right about that. Miggy never could play very good defense.

 

Basically, he did kinda wear out his welcome here. Always had an attitude, and he made it very clear he was never going to sign here long term. He was always about the big $$$. See the TV ads he did for the oil company that raped his home country for just a sneak peek at that.

Just as an answer to the topic; because this team is playing at an all-time bad level.

 

The 1962 Mets, widely considered possibly the worst team of the modern era, were 16-38 through 54 games. We're 13-41. We're on pace to go 39-123, which would be the most losses in modern history and the second worst W-L%. And while our pitching is only bad and not super awful, we hit like it's 1964.

 

I think being historically bad is worth being down on.

What a tangled up web that will be weaved when the first practice is to deceived.....

 

I never said that Miguel Cabrera was a incomplete hitter. I said he was an incomplete PLAYER. He is a statue on the field with no range or instincts and a below average arm. Carlos Lee is a better defender than he is for crying out loud. In fact one can make the comparison that in his prime Carlos Lee was a VERY similar player to Cabrera before he ate his way to where he is now. Cabrera was a very good hitter in FLA but didn't have the monster power he has developed. Now he is one of the best in the game. But still he will decline quickly because he is in terrible condition and he obviously doesn't take care of his health off the field. But again why are we talking about him when it has been 5 years since he has even played here?? If he does go to the hall of fame at least we will have a player with our uniform in there finally. So you should all hope that he doesn't decline so at least we can see that. If we still had Cabrera we wouldn't have Stanton. Anyone who would rather have Cabrera than Stanton might need to go to the mental health hospital in New York called "BELL VIEW" lol.

Just as an answer to the topic; because this team is playing at an all-time bad level.

 

The 1962 Mets, widely considered possibly the worst team of the modern era, were 16-38 through 54 games. We're 13-41. We're on pace to go 39-123, which would be the most losses in modern history and the second worst W-L%. And while our pitching is only bad and not super awful, we hit like it's 1964.

 

I think being historically bad is worth being down on.

It's true that the record is bad right now but the 1962 Mets had no star power on it and the 2013 Marlins have to many monsters coming up to lose 120 games. This team ha the ability to turn it around soon unlike the 62 mets who struggled for the whole season.

It's true that the record is bad right now but the 1962 Mets had no star power on it and the 2013 Marlins have to many monsters coming up to lose 120 games. This team ha the ability to turn it around soon unlike the 62 mets who struggled for the whole season.

 

This is a bad team.... The chances of a turn around are slim and none and none just opened the door to leave the building. Will they be the worse team in recent history? That takes special effort, I think the FO is doing their part but the players may not be capable.

Stop encouraging him. He's trolling.

What a tangled up web that will be weaved when the first practice is to deceived.....

 

 

 

Was it a web weaved by the 1899 Cleveland Spiders?

I'm glad to see that my topic has started so much discussion (isn't that the poi t of a forum on the inernet???) but I'm getting pretty sick of being called a troll by you penguino. I know you are always sarcastic and pessemistic towards other members but just because you don't agree with someones opinions doesn't mean you need to call them a troll or a idiot or whatever. It looks like unless a poster wants to bash the team and the Front office around here there are some members who just dismiss them as crazy or stupid or trolling. Believe it or not it IS possible for someone to have a different point of views than you and not be joking or stupid. There is even a possibility that (gasp!!!) you are wrong. Think about it before you start jumping all over people for there opinions. I'm not a dummy or a child I'm a man and you need to show me respect.

You are called a troll because nothing you have said could be even mildly considered as a solid point. You opinions on players are way off base across the board and they have no basis in fact or reality. And you keep saying crap about Miguel Cabrera that is blatantly false.