Stupidest things in current marlins lore

[pollythewog]

I posted about one in another thread and figured it'd be a service to the community to post a list of the stupidest ideas bouncing around in fish village. You're all welcome.

1) Stanton and protection. This is stupid.

2) adeiny is a good shortstop. This is stupid.

3) Jeff Mathis calls a great game. José would do just as well with me catching. This is stupid. He's also not very good at framing pitches.

4) Ryan webb was good and should have been signed. This is stupid.

5) Greg Dobbs is a professional. This is not stupid.

 

Anything else I missed?

[Admin]

Zack Cox, Brent Keys, and Derek Dietrich all have futures.

[Erick]

Is this about the front office or the board?

 

For what it's worth, some of these things aren't "stupid." It's pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because I don't think Ryan Webb is a big deal either, but the better move probably would've been to sign him anyway. Considering he actually got more money as a free agent than his projected arb. salary, they could have acquired a minor leaguer for him.

 

But to continue, platoons don't work because the Rays have never won a World Series. Or something like that.

[pollythewog]

Zack Cox, Brent Keys, and Derek Dietrich all have futures.

Remember that time we traded a 3.5 WAR 3B (escobar) for Dietrich? That wasn't very smart

 

Erick: I was referring more to the board but that sorta overlaps with the FO. I disagree about Webb obviously. Good riddance.

 

Edit : didn't read yr whole Webb post but now I agree w you

[Entendu]

Wasn't the Marlins' team ERA much lower when Mathis was catching? Unless he caught better pitchers than the other catchers, I don't see how you could ignore that (provided that it's sustained, but until it's not we shouldn't call it stupid.)

[Erick]

#5 is definitely the worst one.

[Anonymous]

Zack Cox, Brent Keys, and Derek Dietrich all have futures.

 

I think grouping Dietrich with Cox and Keys is pretty stupid. Not the worst thing done on this board but it could be up there.

[Giancarlo Stanton]

I'm tired of people saying that Giancarlo Stanton is not the sexiest man alive. He very clearly is.

[Admin]

I think grouping Dietrich with Cox and Keys is pretty stupid. Not the worst thing done on this board but it could be up there.

 

Dietrich has the most potential of the three, yes, but he still shares something in common with the other two.

[Anonymous]

Dietrich has the most potential of the three, yes, but he still shares something in common with the other two.

 

Wild Card?

[Admin]

Wasn't the Marlins' team ERA much lower when Mathis was catching? Unless he caught better pitchers than the other catchers, I don't see how you could ignore that (provided that it's sustained, but until it's not we shouldn't call it stupid.)

 

I think there was a legitimate difference in pitching performance between having Mathis and Brantly as a catcher. This might have more to do with Brantly than Mathis, however.

[Wild Card]

I think Zack Cox could fill the same roster spot as Greg Dobbs and produce the same numbers for 1/3 of the money.

 

I think Brent Keys will find a long major league career, at the very least as a 4th OFer.

 

Derek Dietrich will actually become a pretty decent everyday major leaguer.

 

Did I miss anything?

[Admin]

I think Zack Cox could fill the same roster spot as Greg Dobbs and produce the same numbers for 1/3 of the money.

 

I think Brent Keys will find a long major league career, at the very least as a 4th OFer.

 

Derek Dietrich will actually become a pretty decent everyday major leaguer.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

Logic and common sense.

[Dr Beinfest]

I think Zack Cox could fill the same roster spot as Greg Dobbs and produce the same numbers for 1/3 of the money.

 

 

But why do you care? Greg Dobbs isn't exactly an expensive player. Don't use Lorialogic to justify it.

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3) Jeff Mathis calls a great game. José would do just as well with me catching. This is stupid. He's also not very good at framing pitches.

 

I suppose whether or not Mathis calls "great" games is debatable, but I rather doubt that José would have done just as well with you catching. He's said more than once that whatever Mathis put down was just fine with him, he just threw it. Rarely shook him off.

 

As for being good at "framing pitches," well, nobody is. Because umpires, most of them anyway, aren't totally stupid. Hutton yammers on and on about this and always seems to miss the fact that virtually never does an umpire care where the glove is, or should I say has been moved to after the fact. Umpires call pitches at the front edge of the plate, and even in the rare circumstance where one of the dumb ones seems to want to rely on the position of a catcher's glove for assistance, they almost never get the call.

 

"Framing" pitches -- most of which amounts to an attempt to deceive the ump, that is, an attempt to cheat -- is obvious to the ump and a waste of time.

 

I look forward to the day when balls and strikes are called electronically. I'm sick of watching incompetents call pitches, not to mention the rubbish about how this guy or that guy has a large or small strike zone on a particular day or generally.

 

That said, hopefully Mathis doesn't catch more than 50 games this year.

[Hotcorner]

I think Zack Cox could fill the same roster spot as Greg Dobbs and produce the same numbers for 1/3 of the money.

 

I think Brent Keys will find a long major league career, at the very least as a 4th OFer.

 

Derek Dietrich will actually become a pretty decent everyday major leaguer.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

I want your list of Marlins prospects who will not be successful in the majors.

[pollythewog]

Sorry guys a little drunk last night! Happy Festivus!

[fanofthefish]

#3 the only way you catch a Fernandez fast ball is when its stops rolling....................

[mystikol87]

It's pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because I don't think Ryan Webb is a big deal either, but the better move probably would've been to sign him anyway. Considering he actually got more money as a free agent than his projected arb. salary, they could have acquired a minor leaguer for him.

 

I read differently. MLBTR's dude projected him at ~$1.7MM if I remember correctly, and his deal seemed to line up with what he would get over this year and the next. But feel free to demonstrate differently.

[Wild Card]

Logic and common sense.

 

We'll see who's right with some time. I personally feel you spend a little too much time contextualizing numbers instead watching the game. That's just me, I guess.

[Admin]

We'll see who's right with some time. I personally feel you spend a little too much time contextualizing numbers instead watching the game. That's just me, I guess.

 

How many games have you watched Keys and Cox play in?

[Wild Card]

How many games have you watched Keys and Cox play in?

 

Keys, a handful, Cox none in person, just quite a bit of video and research.

[Admin]

Keys, a handful, Cox none in person, just quite a bit of video and research.

 

So then why are you criticizing me for using statistics if your "eyes" have hardly seen these guys? I'd also like to see a link for this "quite a bit of video" you've watched, because I'm dubious.

[Erick]

I watched Adeiny Hechavarria one day in Philadelphia and he had 7 RBI's that day. I watched that game and he was like...the best hitter ever. I do not need to look at the stats to know anything because did you see what he did that one day?!?!?

[Admin]

Even s*** can look appetizing when watching the highlights.

 

I bet he's seen like 30 seconds of video. He probably hasn't seen Keys either.