Hotcorner Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/us/clippers-sterling-scandal/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 BUT FIRST AMENDMENT!!!!!!!!! - said no one who understands the Constitution ever. I have many thoughts, most of which are not wholly-formed. It will certainly be interesting to see how this develops, i.e. litigation, an owner vote to try and boot him out, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 How can he be 'banned' yet still own the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 How can he be 'banned' yet still own the team? Commissioner is going to push and have the owners force him to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Can he buy a ticket as a fan and attend a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Can he buy a ticket as a fan and attend a game? I don't think he'd want to with all the black players. ... I'm just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 How can he be 'banned' yet still own the team? He still has legal ownership of the team, but he's banned from all games, league events, etc. If your question was rhetorical, then I don't see what the problem is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Commissioner is going to push and have the owners force him to sell. yeah I think they'd need 75% of the owners to agree. Or 75% of the board of governors, so a portion of the owners. In any case you'd imagine the owners will vote him out at this point. So yeah. Actually if he were just given a big fine, it would have been very interesting to watch how it played out. I mean apparently Doc Rivers was going to quit, wonder if his players would have wanted to stay, would enough fans boycott? would any free agents sign there? Wonder if they could have just shamed him into selling the team.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFishFan Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Oh that it could've been Loria instead of Sterling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Well that escalated quickly. It was well known for years that Sterling was a horrible racist person. This is unprecedented, but obviously Silver had unanimous support from everybody around the league to make this move. Also I now know it costs $2.5 million to be caught stating your racist opinions to your girlfriend who is secretly recording you. Not saying he didn't deserve huge punishment like the one he got, but it's a dangerous precedent to set to kick somebody out of the league for his own beliefs (no matter how stupid and horrible they are). Do we make this kind of punishment if somebody says they don't want gays at their sporting events? Is this limited to only certain kind of bigotry or is all encompassing. We don't have to deal with that question now, but it opens the floor to future discussion. But it did take huge cajones for Silver to do this. I can't even say for certain if Stern would've had the nuggets to make such a decision given it's future ramifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Also why are people reacting so strongly now when these facts about Sterling have been open for the public to know for many, many years? It just seems a bit weird that some of the least horrible stuff Sterling has ever said ends up being the comments that get him kicked out of the league. Not the comments he made to Danny Manning during the draft process, not the fact he openly refused to rent out any of the real estate he owned to blacks and minorities, not for the racist horrible heckles he made towards Baron Davis during a game back in the day, not for the things former GM Elgin Baylor says that Sterling said and did, but for the vague racist comments in an audio recording that he didn't even know was being recorded. He deserved it obviously, but the circumstances are just odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 He still has legal ownership of the team, but he's banned from all games, league events, etc. If your question was rhetorical, then I don't see what the problem is. It wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlinsForever Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Very harsh...what happened to freedom of speech? Its not like he killed someone, gosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Very harsh...what happened to freedom of speech? Its not like he killed someone, gosh Knew this would come up. Freedom of speech does not protect you from criticism and/or repercussions. In fact ... BUT FIRST AMENDMENT!!!!!!!!! - said no one who understand the Constitution ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 difficult though because it was said in private. I mean this was driven by the players though, the owners really had no choice seeing as how the NBA is nothing if the players decide to sit. Dim to the gay comparison, he wouldn't have been banned for it, maybe a fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yokofox33 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I'm glad Sterling was banned, but what of Admin Johnson's comments about creating an all-black league? Does racism only extend to blacks? Apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 difficult though because it was said in private. Sure. It's not a "free speech" issue, though, insofar as that typically refers to the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution. That said, it's completely reasonable to be concerned with how speech is treated and punished, even when the employer/punisher is a private entity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Personally, I'm disgusted that CNN continues to run a front page article that says "Hold on... Sterling is a victim too." The NBA is not the law. If a law was broken in recording that conversation, that's a private matter between the two parties. The NBA chose to take action based upon the truth, and they've every right to do so. No law protects Sterling from his contractual agreements with a private organization, so long as the organization operates lawfully. For what it's worth, I was one who thought the lifetime ban and forced selling (impending) was fully appropriate. However, I first questioned the thought of rather steep $2.5 million fine. But then after considering it again, I understand why that was done. Sterling is going to sell this team, and he's going to make a profit. A profit much larger than $2.5 million. By seeking the maximum fine, they're just not letting him get away with anything entirely. Which is nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlinsForever Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Knew this would come up. Freedom of speech does not protect you from criticism and/or repercussions. In fact ... Threats to life or property yes I can understand. But when it comes to Insults, thats life. I dont think one should face repercussions for that. Slippery slope into a full out police state, before you know it you wont be able to look at someone the wrong way. Bigger fish to catch out there (didn't want to say fry) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Threats to life or property yes I can understand. But when it comes to Insults, thats life. I dont think one should face repercussions for that. Slippery slope into a full out police state, before you know it you wont be able to look at someone the wrong way. Bigger fish to catch out there (didn't want to say fry) How are the actions of a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION the first step on a slippery slope (a term being bandied about now that many people really don't understand) toward a police state? It's like banging my head against a fucking brick wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The NBA better hope this guy doesn't fight too hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I have no issue with a private organization caving to social pressure. I mean, what other alternative do we have? Government? That's much much worse. He definitely should have faced some punishment; I mean, it's offensive to the vast majority of players... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Maybe if the private org is a security company? What kind of security company? There is a doctrine, I believe, that ascribes quasi-governmental status to certain entities in certain situations if they work too closely and/or appear to represent the government. Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I have no issue with a private organization caving to social pressure. I mean, what other alternative do we have? Government? That's much much worse. He definitely should have faced some punishment; I mean, it's offensive to the vast majority of players... I mean, you could theoretically have no regulation, whether governmental or social/economic (ugh I hate that false construct since the two aren't distinct) pressure, of behavior. I'm not sure how that would even function in its purest form, since behavioral choices are inevitably a response to outside stimulus in some capacity. But here at least, the alternative would be to do nothing I suppose? It's interesting that members of the NBA, including players, coaches, and owners, themselves drummed up a lot of that social pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Was a yoke, mang. Das it, mane. Got you now. We super srs here 4 ril, so I wasnt sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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