TaiwanMarlins Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Reportedly Lincecum was working out on a "SECRET LOCATION",I think it should be the "AREA 51". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacyofCangelosi Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I think we're all a bit worried that this above post is what Loria is banking on and is why he hasn't added much outside of Chen... but it's also quite true. How many more games could we have won if Stanton alone wasn't out as long as he was? With health, there is definitely talent on this team to be an outside contender. I don't know if we had been a contender but if we're to add up the average WAR for our players that missed significant time particularly Stanton Fernandez and Alvarez last year and then factor in the games they missed we could have been around .500. I think the problem with what we believe to be Lorias reasoning is we would need everything to be perfect this year to contend. No major injuries to top players and no regression from anyone. Those are things that are very unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 Minor SP update through Frisaro today... Team still wants to add another starter for depth, they'd prefer a minor league deal for bounce back guys like Lohse, Simon, or Harang. If healthy they'd do a major league deal with Lincecum or Lee but would try for a low base salary with incentives. And they're still open to low risk/bounce back bullpen depth signings such as Neal Cotts, Franklin Morales, or Bobby Parnell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 Admin liked my post guys... That means it's all true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Minor SP update through Frisaro today... Team still wants to add another starter for depth, they'd prefer a minor league deal for bounce back guys like Lohse, Simon, or Harang. If healthy they'd do a major league deal with Lincecum or Lee but would try for a low base salary with incentives. And they're still open to low risk/bounce back bullpen depth signings such as Neal Cotts, Franklin Morales, or Bobby Parnell. And Matt Thornton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted February 14, 2016 Author Share Posted February 14, 2016 Did Lincecum have his showcase or not? I hear different things, one saying it'll be this coming week. Is he having a second one this week? I'm surprised if he had his first one that it was so secretive as far as the media. What's the big secret? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Did Lincecum have his showcase or not? I hear different things, one saying it'll be this coming week. Is he having a second one this week? I'm surprised if he had his first one that it was so secretive as far as the media. What's the big secret? He had one with a smaller group of teams (Marlins included) and is going to have another with a larger group (Marlins likely to attend this one as well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsmaniac Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Minor SP update through Frisaro today... Team still wants to add another starter for depth, they'd prefer a minor league deal for bounce back guys like Lohse, Simon, or Harang. If healthy they'd do a major league deal with Lincecum or Lee but would try for a low base salary with incentives. And they're still open to low risk/bounce back bullpen depth signings such as Neal Cotts, Franklin Morales, or Bobby Parnell. I'm just not sure that any of those rotation options are better than any of the guys the team already has. I think Jose, Chen, Koehler, Cosart, and Conley is fine. I find more upside in the last two than in lincecum or Harang. Simon could be an upgrade if he gets his shit together, but only on a minors deal. Don't get me wrong, I definitely feel the rotation needs upgrades I'm just not sure these guys do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 He had one with a smaller group of teams (Marlins included) and is going to have another with a larger group (Marlins likely to attend this one as well). So we are VIP?and do we like his first showcase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I'm just not sure that any of those rotation options are better than any of the guys the team already has. I think Jose, Chen, Koehler, Cosart, and Conley is fine. I find more upside in the last two than in lincecum or Harang. Simon could be an upgrade if he gets his shit together, but only on a minors deal. Don't get me wrong, I definitely feel the rotation needs upgrades I'm just not sure these guys do it. I think at least for the DEPTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 So we are VIP?and do we like his first showcase? Marlins are one of the more likely destinations for him but it isn't a sure thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Marlins are one of the more likely destinations for him but it isn't a sure thing. Have any scout report about this showcase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 What sort of stuff does Adam Conley have and what would be a realistic season for him? I didn't see much baseball down the stretch in September last year and noted that he went 4-1 with a reasonable ERA when I checked today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 Does Cliff Lee still think he's too good for us? Days before spring training and I don't see a line of contenders begging for Cliff Lee's services. I keep thinking we're a better fit for him than he cares to admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Does Cliff Lee still think he's too good for us? Days before spring training and I don't see a line of contenders begging for Cliff Lee's services. I keep thinking we're a better fit for him than he cares to admit. When would be Lee's showcase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Admin,any update about our interesting in Lincecum after his first showcase？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 According to Hill, Cosart could lose his rotation spot if any of the other candidates step up. He said Jose Chen and Koehler are locks and that Cosart has a spot but he has to perform to keep it. Frisaro made it sound like Cosart is competing with Jackson, Phelps, Nicolino and Conley for the final two spots. The way I read that is that Phelps and Jackson are both essentially guaranteed roster spots so if the bullpen gets filled with other guys Cosart would be the one optioned down to allow both Phelps and Jackson in the rotation. Again though, if Cosart performs it's his spot first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 MIAMI -- The Marlins continue to keep tabs on the free-agent market for an available starting pitcher, but the club isn't forcing the issue. If the candidate isn't willing to sign as a non-roster invitee with an invitation to Spring Training, chances are no deal will be struck. "We're happy with what we have," president of baseball operations Michael Hill said. "If there is an opportunity to add one, at our price, then it will be something we'll look to do. But we don't have to do anything, and we are happy with where we are right now." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vince0926 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 MIAMI -- The Marlins continue to keep tabs on the free-agent market for an available starting pitcher, but the club isn't forcing the issue. If the candidate isn't willing to sign as a non-roster invitee with an invitation to Spring Training, chances are no deal will be struck. "We're happy with what we have," president of baseball operations Michael Hill said. "If there is an opportunity to add one, at our price, then it will be something we'll look to do. But we don't have to do anything, and we are happy with where we are right now." This offseason is such a disaster. And Admin, hand is still on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 I honestly don't think Hill is "happy with what we have". Like him or not there's still times he has to make positive PR statements like that one. I really think they're not exactly thrilled with the remaining pitching free agents and so a move hasn't been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 According to Hill, Cosart could lose his rotation spot if any of the other candidates step up. He said Jose Chen and Koehler are locks and that Cosart has a spot but he has to perform to keep it. Frisaro made it sound like Cosart is competing with Jackson, Phelps, Nicolino and Conley for the final two spots. The way I read that is that Phelps and Jackson are both essentially guaranteed roster spots so if the bullpen gets filled with other guys Cosart would be the one optioned down to allow both Phelps and Jackson in the rotation. Again though, if Cosart performs it's his spot first. I just hope that Conley really impresses this spring and wins a rotation spot. It would be a waste to send him down to AAA again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I honestly don't think Hill is "happy with what we have". Like him or not there's still times he has to make positive PR statements like that one. I really think they're not exactly thrilled with the remaining pitching free agents and so a move hasn't been made. Totally. The problem is they should have anticipated this market, to some extent at least, and moved faster to get someone like Happ, Fister, Rich Hill, etc., or moved assets to acquire another young 2/3 SP. No one better point out Ozuna for an Indians pitcher either, as that is absurd and would never happen. Also, how about keeping Alvarez? We can credit them for not signing one of these junk pitchers, but let's not forget they created this situation by not positioning themselves smarter. They needed two SP this offseason, they did amazing getting Chen, but Edwin Jackson isn't the answer. I suspect they do nothing and reassess in June, hopefully Koehler/Cosart/Conley hold up to give them a fighting chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 Again its very possible Alvarez' arm is worse than we know and he wouldn't have helped to start the season anyways but yes, having him would have been nice for depth, and for almost any other team spending the money on him would have been a worthwhile gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Again its very possible Alvarez' arm is worse than we know and he wouldn't have helped to start the season anyways but yes, having him would have been nice for depth, and for almost any other team spending the money on him would have been a worthwhile gamble. The fact Billy Beane signed him says it all. The organization they want to operate like, signed him for more money than what he would have gotten in arbitration from the Marlins. I think we all know how this is going to end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The fact Billy Beane signed him says it all. The organization they want to operate like, signed him for more money than what he would have gotten in arbitration from the Marlins. I think we all know how this is going to end. I really can't wait to check the 2016 record of Alvarez after the season ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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