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I decided to give this shit show another chance

 

 

@pollyvonwog left us to join the tribe

 

 

@Erick.

 

 

Stanton, the starting rotation, late season injuries and wrong trade acquisitions. Stanton has cost this team wins by not staying healthy and not playing like a superstar, the starting rotation has faltered with major reason being the bombing of Wei-Yin Chen, and statistically the moves to acquire Rodney/Cashner have hurt the team.

 

I also have stated and stand behind the fact that this season is a product of two full seasons of front office damage starting in 2015. Moves made starting in December 2014 have created a farm system with no depth and a major league team with poor lineup balance (lack of power, poor on-base ability players beyond Stanton/Yelich) and injury concerns. The front office made some risks in the moves they made, some that they had to have known were risks, and have seen them either succeed not highly enough or fail spectacularly. 

 

A rotation that potential could include Andrew Heaney, Carlos Rodon, and Anthony Desclafani has become one that features Adam Conley as its current #2. A team that could still have in its farm system Francis Martes, Colin Moran, and Jake Marisnick in exchange for basically Jarred Cosart and Kike Hernandez. A reminder that Moran and Marisnick have appeared in the majors, with Martes being a top MLB prospect while Cosart and Hernandez are both gone. Lets not forget that to get Jim Benedict, we gave up a damn fine pitching prospect in Trevor Williams, a pitcher who has 2.53 ERA in AAA this year and will be in the Pirates starting rotation next season. The Prado-Eovaldi trade has been a win, but I'll bring up a potential rotation including Eovaldi and Domingo German (who appeared in the Futures Game) as well. 

 

The lineup issues are far less minor, but looking through all the trades I'm amazed at the minor league and major league pitching depth we've given up on over the past two and a half years. There's a damn good pitching staff that has passed through Miami and gone elsewhere. I am very, very angry when looking at the potential rotation we could be employing right now. Some of the trades needed to happen, but I do not think the Heaney trade needed to happen. I don't think the Cosart trade needed to take place. I don't think the team needed to give up Trevor Williams for a pitching coach (regardless of this board praising the move relentlessly here) and I don't think the team needed to get rid of its only promising pitching prospect in Chris Paddack for a flawed reliever. 

 

I feel no sympathy for this franchise at the moment. Injuries have not cost the Marlins this season. Injuries did not cost the Marlins 2015 and will not be to blame in 2017 (although that will always be the narrative). A flawed front office and moves that should be ostracized publicly are the reason for the consistently below average product that is put on the field year after year. 

 

 

fucked-up farm system, culture of losing, shitty FO, underperforming superstars and bad acquisitions... and Dee Fucking Gordon

 

 

trading capps for cashner &c cash is about as low as you can get. Capps a beloved marlin RP with betances/Miller #s for a negative WAR SP for 10 games. Mike Hill 101. the marlins somehow made a trade that made them worse this year while also getting a lot worse the following years

 

I'd say this season is a disaster based on that trade alone

 

 

great post @dim. Basically exactly. Mike Hill is absolutely terrible. The dee gordon trade might actually turn out to be a disaster because reality has caught up with his peripherals finally

 

 

Stanton, 40%

 

SPs, 40%

 

Mattingly, 10%

 

etc., 10%

 

Obviously, Hill should be fired.

 

 

Cashner.

 

 

It has 100% fatality rate.

 

for Admin or for the donkey?

 

 

1.) Preston and Eduardo in the broadcast booth

 

2.) Dee Gordon shows that last season might have been a Theraflu inflated fluke

 

3.) Mike Hill trades for Cashner

 

4.) Mike Hill trades for Rodney

 

5.) Don Mattingly's in-game management

 

6.) Chen pitches like a piece of shit

 

 

Michael Hill needs to be fired.

 

He needed to be fired last year when I first made the topic.

 

He still needs to be fired today.

 

 

The main issue that became very apparent when this team went to trade with other teams is that they have no depth whatsoever. That becomes a major problem at this time of year since if you want to get something, you need to give something up, and the Marlins had no prospects anyone really wanted. The guys they had of interest to other teams are now gone (Naylor, Paddack).

 

The Cashner trade was a failure but that's the gamble you take at midseason.

 

Spending a fortune on Chen because that was who was available on the market didn't help things.

 

Ultimately things aren't going to change for some time, because it takes several years to rebuild a farm in this kind of shape, and they made it worse by getting rid of another 1st round pick early.

 

I mean look at what's happened with our 1st round picks since 2012:

 

2012: Andrew Heaney (traded)

 

2013: Colin Moran (traded)

 

2014: Tyler Kolek (chosen instead of Rodon, out until late next year with TJS)

 

2015: Josh Naylor (traded)

 

2016: Braxton Garrett (TBD)

 

You can't keep this up and have a viable farm system. Top that off with the team not doing much of anything on the international market, the cupboard is bare.

 

I'm not sure if anything is going to look much different for 2017, unless Loria really opens his checkbook for free-agents. There's no one coming up the pipeline.

 

 

The main issue that became very apparent when this team went to trade with other teams is that they have no depth whatsoever. That becomes a major problem at this time of year since if you want to get something, you need to give something up, and the Marlins had no prospects anyone really wanted. The guys they had of interest to other teams are now gone (Naylor, Paddack).

 

The Cashner trade was a failure but that's the gamble you take at midseason.

 

Spending a fortune on Chen because that was who was available on the market didn't help things.

 

Ultimately things aren't going to change for some time, because it takes several years to rebuild a farm in this kind of shape, and they made it worse by getting rid of another 1st round pick early.

 

I mean look at what's happened with our 1st round picks since 2012:

 

2012: Andrew Heaney (traded)

 

2013: Colin Moran (traded)

 

2014: Tyler Kolek (chosen instead of Rodon, out until late next year with TJS)

 

2015: Josh Naylor (traded)

 

2016: Braxton Garrett (TBD)

 

You can't keep this up and have a viable farm system. Top that off with the team not doing much of anything on the international market, the cupboard is bare.

 

I'm not sure if anything is going to look much different for 2017, unless Loria really opens his checkbook for free-agents. There's no one coming up the pipeline.

 

except there is literally zero good starting pitching on the market this winter 

 

 

I still don't mind the Cashner Rodney and Chen trades/deals because at the moment each were worth trying. I don't even those opposed to them at the moment expected them to be *this* bad. A total train wreck.

 

 

I still don't mind the Cashner Rodney and Chen trades/deals because at the moment each were worth trying. I don't even those opposed to them at the moment expected them to be *this* bad. A total train wreck.

 

You don't mind them trading a club controlled elite RPfor cashner (who sucked as a padre too) and a few million bucks?

 

 

Bad thing - I renewed the hosting plan and domain registration here, should have let it expire. Would have saved myself several hundred bucks. I hate this site.

 

 

Let me know when you list it.

 

Turn this into an Indians site

 

 

Sell it on flippa

 

What's that?

 

 

Website used for buying and selling websites

 

Sweet!!!

 

 

Can I get a cool million?

 

 

You don't mind them trading a club controlled elite RPfor cashner (who sucked as a padre too) and a few million bucks?

Yea I mind the specifics. I meant I didn't mind them going out and attempting to make upgrades. I hate the Cashner trade the most and hated it on day one because of what we gave up but I'm saying I didn't mind "attempting to acquire Andrew Cashner to bolster our rotation"