SongInTheAir Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 imagine a contractor saying, "when you build a house this way, you know you’re going to have some deficiencies in certain areas," and then the house falls apart, or a CEO saying, "when you build a business this way, you know you’re going to have some deficiencies in certain areas” and then the business goes bankrupt. How is this okay? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfJack Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Just like last year when they'd have some really odd roster construction often. Jeter is gone so we can't blame him anymore for that, for anyone that was. Something else is going on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, SonOfJack said: Something else is going on here. For right now, it's not being able to close whatever deals they were working on. Weirdly enough, they still "have time." If Opening Day comes and this hasn't been resolved then yes I'd call it a bigger problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 Best case scenario here is: -Mattingly goes harder against the roster construction. -Ng actually listens to the manager that is on the field every day with the team and acquires a good center fielder. -Someone else up top (or maybe Ng herself) gets mad at Don for talking shit. -Don gets fired. -Marlins get a center fielder and a new manager. -Marlins win 160 games. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfJack Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Just now, SongInTheAir said: Marlins win 160 games. WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE LOSE TWO GAMES??!?!?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 minute ago, SonOfJack said: WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE LOSE TWO GAMES??!?!?! We play the Angels twice, and there's no way a team with Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani would ever lose games, right? Haven't they won like, 6 Worlds Serieses in a row? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlins_09 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 We’re going to look back on this offseason/roster in 4-5 years and be even more pissed off knowing how badly we wasted this young SP talent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfJack Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said: 6 Worlds Seriese The correct way of pluralizing "World Series" is World Seri. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said: Ng actually listens to the manager that is on the field every day with the team and acquires a good center fielder. I know you were going for humor but FWIW I don't think Ng disagrees with Donnie. Both Ng and Sherman said they needed a CF so that's not the issue. The issue is failure to get the job done but it's not out of ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: I know you were going for humor but FWIW I don't think Ng disagrees with Donnie. Both Ng and Sherman said they needed a CF so that's not the issue. The issue is failure to get the job done but it's not out of ignorance. They know they need to add a CF but not enough to actually do it. I mean, Mish source so take it with an ocean of salt, but if the asking price for Reynolds is what he reported, then we massively screwed up by not accepting the deal. I mean...I would call the Pirates, say, "ahoy, take any two players in our system not projected to be in our Opening Day starting lineup, then two more guys outside of our top 10" and still think I got the better end of the deal. Bryan Reynolds is one of the best center fielders in baseball, and he is under team control for four more years. The Marlins seem to think trading Isan Diaz and Anthony Bass is going to get them one of the guys with the most trade value in baseball. Edited March 30, 2022 by SongInTheAir 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 16 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said: They know they need to add a CF but not enough to actually do it. You can want something but not be comfortable with the price for it. I would love/need a new car right now but I'm not comfortable with the financial commitment right now and for me it's best to wait a bit on this big purchase. And eventually I'll need to go for it and get that new car out of necessity but I haven't done so yet. Same concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: You can want something but not be comfortable with the price for it. I would love/need a new car right now but I'm not comfortable with the financial commitment right now and for me it's best to wait a bit on this big purchase. And eventually I'll need to go for it and get that new car out of necessity but I haven't done so yet. Same concept. Whyyyyyyyy do longtime Marlin fans keep giving them the benefit of the doubt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Iowa said: Whyyyyyyyy do longtime Marlin fans keep giving them the benefit of the doubt It's not benefit of the doubt. Do you think Bruce Sherman and Kim Ng WANT to lose? I'm saying they want that CF but have been incompetent as far as getting it done. They've absolutely failed at that. But do you really think they're sitting around saying they don't think they need the CF and that they want to lose? That's stupid. No owner or GM wants to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 21 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: You can want something but not be comfortable with the price for it. I would love/need a new car right now but I'm not comfortable with the financial commitment right now and for me it's best to wait a bit on this big purchase. And eventually I'll need to go for it and get that new car out of necessity but I haven't done so yet. Same concept. If I offered you an Alfa Romeo that I had driven once in exchange for 4 brand new cars that might be Hondas, might be Lexuses, or might explode and never be driven, wouldn't you take the deal? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfJack Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 minute ago, SongInTheAir said: If I offered you an Alfa Romeo that I had driven once in exchange for 4 brand new cars that might be Hondas, might be Lexuses, or might explode and never be driven, wouldn't you take the deal? Best analogy ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said: If I offered you an Alfa Romeo that I had driven once in exchange for 4 brand new cars that might be Hondas, might be Lexuses, or might explode and never be driven, wouldn't you take the deal? Hey, I said they're failing at this. They've shown incompetence in getting this done. I'm not denying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 Just now, SilverBullet said: Hey, I said they're failing at this. They've shown incompetence in getting this done. I'm not denying that. It's very much the, "do you want the boat or the mystery box I'll take the mystery box it could be anything it could even be a boat" thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, SonOfJack said: WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE LOSE TWO GAMES??!?!?! Rained out / canceled games. We did not lose. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Blow it all out. Laureano, Montas, Kemp, and Trivino.... Eury Meyer/Cabrera Bleday/Burdick Sixto/Eder/Salas Morisette/Jerar/Fitterer DLC/Berti (or both!) Outside top 25 Outside top 35 Just blow it all out. Give them effectively four top 100 guys (a little mental gymnastics to get obviously Bleday and injured Sixto/Eder or Fangraphs 109 Salas in there, but it's close enough). Montas is probably worth 2 centerpieces, and Laureano 1 + an injured one as he has some warts, so this gets you there. Maybe player 5 is a little better (I. Lewis, etc.). They gotta sacrifice Eury instead of Watson, and keep one of Cabrera/Meyer for now. Blow it all out. Do it. Believe in your pitching and go kill people with Montas and Laureano. These 4 guys could be 10+ WAR based on last year's rates. I'll settle for 6+. BELIEVE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, MarlinsLou said: Blow it all out. Laureano, Montas, Kemp, and Trivino.... Eury Meyer/Cabrera Bleday/Burdick Sixto/Eder/Salas Morisette/Jerar/Fitterer DLC/Berti (or both!) Outside top 25 Outside top 35 Just blow it all out. Give them effectively four top 100 guys (a little mental gymnastics to get obviously Bleday and injured Sixto/Eder or Fangraphs 109 Salas in there, but it's close enough). Montas is probably worth 2 centerpieces, and Laureano 1 + an injured one as he has some warts, so this gets you there. Maybe player 5 is a little better (I. Lewis, etc.). They gotta sacrifice Eury instead of Watson, and keep one of Cabrera/Meyer for now. Blow it all out. Do it. Believe in your pitching and go kill people with Montas and Laureano. These 4 guys could be 10+ WAR based on last year's rates. I'll settle for 6+. BELIEVE. Nope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 That team is insanity: Stallings, Henry Aguilar, Cooper Jazz Rojas, Wendle Anderson Sanchez, Kemp Laureano Garcia Soler Sandy, Rogers, Montas, Pablo, Luzardo Floro, Bender, Trivino, Hernandez, Pop, Head Bleier, Okert Just go murder people with that please. Three starting caliber players on the bench. Hernandez, Cabrera/Meyer, and Poteet are the 6-7-8 starters. Everyone coming back next year except really Aguilar (Lewin) and Floro (plenty of arms). I will survive with the top 10 prospects in the farm being Watson, Meyer/Cabrera, Bleday/Burdick, Sixto/Eder, Fulton, Salas/Lewis, Mack, Cappe, McCambley, and VMJR. I'm ignoring excellent 2022 draft picks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Just now, Michael said: Nope. I agree. They seem fixated on doing nothing when they can build a winner. They are stopping at third base. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 46 minutes ago, MarlinsLou said: I agree. They seem fixated on doing nothing when they can build a winner. They are stopping at third base. Correct. Embrace the stagnancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 hours ago, MarlinsLou said: I agree. They seem fixated on doing nothing when they can build a winner. They are stopping at third base. Honestly, I don't even know if they made it to third at this point, I think they got thrown out at third after tripping while rounding second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 For a nice, blatant comparison of managers: today, Don Mattingly said, "our team is bad in one of the most important positions in the sport". Bud Black said, "your closer should be a guy who can strike guys out." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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