Piazza31 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Michael said: Shame. If this team as is wins the World Series, are we still complaining about not having Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, Realmuto? [If your answer is yes, get checked into a Psych ward, please.] (No personal attacks, self.) {Shut up, self.} ( Edited March 1 by Piazza31 I don’t know how to internet on my phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Michael said: Shame. If this team as is wins the World Series, are we still complaining about not having Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, Realmuto? [If your answer is yes, get checked into a Psych ward, please.] (No personal attacks, self.) {Shut up, self.} (😭) Edited March 1 by Piazza31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 16 hours ago, hovertical said: You can still argue the point that we would have been there much sooner had they not absolutely torched the entire roster upon taking over..and...you know....spent money on guys like Realmuto and Marte versus those that shall not be named. Outside of the Ozuna trade, moving those guys did absolutely zilch to help build any title winning team and only prolonged our misery so yeah, fair enough to still bitch them out for it. Rehashing the same argument again, but we do obviously have hindsight bias now. Who would've expected ALL of the players from Yelich+Realmuto trades to turn out to be nothing? I'm putting Sixto also in this category but with an asterisk, as he's surely talented, but talent doesn't matter if the guy isn't ever actually playing. Until he returns, we've lost the trade. That said, I thought moving Yelich was stupid as you already had him on a cheap contract, and I believe I said at the time that I was concerned with Sixto's injury and conditioning history, which was already an issue back then while with Philly. Keeping Yelich/Realmuto and still making the Marte move definitely accelerates the timeline and potentially entices them all to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I don't even read the posts about the 2017 team anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 52 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Rehashing the same argument again, but we do obviously have hindsight bias now. Who would've expected ALL of the players from Yelich+Realmuto trades to turn out to be nothing? I'm putting Sixto also in this category but with an asterisk, as he's surely talented, but talent doesn't matter if the guy isn't ever actually playing. Until he returns, we've lost the trade. That said, I thought moving Yelich was stupid as you already had him on a cheap contract, and I believe I said at the time that I was concerned with Sixto's injury and conditioning history, which was already an issue back then while with Philly. Keeping Yelich/Realmuto and still making the Marte move definitely accelerates the timeline and potentially entices them all to stay. Well, trading JT would even have been fine if they had, you know, just signed him again during the offseason. Anyway, it is rehashing the same shit over and over but yeah, you also can't just ignore what they did because it didn't lead to a title as only that Ozuna trade helped out (and I really don't recall any of us being too heartbroken about Ozuna or Stanton being sent packing - we were mostly ticked off over Yelich and later JT being moved). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Michael Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: Keeping Yelich/Realmuto and still making the Marte move definitely accelerates the timeline and potentially entices them all to stay. This I can agree with. That said ... not what we did. 😞 So we gotta move on and hope the fact that Charles Johnson attends games spurs on our catchers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 33 minutes ago, hovertical said: Well, trading JT would even have been fine if they had, you know, just signed him again during the offseason. Anyway, it is rehashing the same shit over and over but yeah, you also can't just ignore what they did because it didn't lead to a title as only that Ozuna trade helped out (and I really don't recall any of us being too heartbroken about Ozuna or Stanton being sent packing - we were mostly ticked off over Yelich and later JT being moved). Oh sure. Could've been the move we didn't make with Marte too (trade and re-sign). All things go back to moeny, or lack thereof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgleason02 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 2/28/2023 at 7:41 AM, marlinsmaniac said: Thing is it’s much more rare to see a good pitching prospect who dominates in AA/AAA come up and not be any good in the bigs. Where as lately I feel so many highly-touted hitting prospects come up and never put it together. Look at Brinson, Kelenic, Adell, and pretty much all the top 100 guys the marlins had that became less than nothing. No thanks! This is dumb logic. There are shit tons of high end pitching prospects that don't make the jump. OR lose a season to TJ, and the following season due to building their arm back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgleason02 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 2/28/2023 at 8:19 AM, SilverBullet said: Honestly the thing with Eury is the thought that we could be a year or two away from having "2 Sandys" so to speak. I know every prospect is unproven until they prove it but if there's ever a prospect to keep it's this guy. You don't throw away the chance of having two legitimate aces. And the thing with Walker is the thought that he could be better than Miguel Cabrera??? 2 Sandys don't help this team score more runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsmaniac Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 31 minutes ago, sgleason02 said: This is dumb logic. There are shit tons of high end pitching prospects that don't make the jump. OR lose a season to TJ, and the following season due to building their arm back up. Yeah cause injury and inability to perform at the major league level are the same thing. A hitter can just as well tear their ACL and be out a whole year so idk what the fuck point you’re trying to make. This team has proven it can develop pitching and cannot develop hitting. Given the volatility of prospects as a whole, and this teams very recent failures in that department, im keeping the pitching prospect. Btw, coming at people moronically the way you did isn’t really what this site is about. Get with the program. Called my logic dumb while simultaneously adding nothing to this conversation… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgleason02 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 3/2/2023 at 11:30 PM, marlinsmaniac said: Yeah cause injury and inability to perform at the major league level are the same thing. A hitter can just as well tear their ACL and be out a whole year so idk what the fuck point you’re trying to make. This team has proven it can develop pitching and cannot develop hitting. Given the volatility of prospects as a whole, and this teams very recent failures in that department, im keeping the pitching prospect. Btw, coming at people moronically the way you did isn’t really what this site is about. Get with the program. Called my logic dumb while simultaneously adding nothing to this conversation… Sorry to get your hackles up, big dog. You lost me when you led off your list of elite hitting prospects with Brinson. I’m familiar with what the site is now: dick jokes and irrelevant quips to get your post counts up. It wasn’t always this way. Show me actual stats about hitters flopping at a higher rate than pitchers and I’ll retract my post. And I find your comment about Marlins having trouble developing hitters extremely accurate. Which is why I think you really meant to say we should trade the 19 year old pitcher for the fully developed, MLB ready hitting prospect in your initial post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marlinsmaniac Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 6 hours ago, sgleason02 said: Sorry to get your hackles up, big dog. You lost me when you led off your list of elite hitting prospects with Brinson. I’m familiar with what the site is now: dick jokes and irrelevant quips to get your post counts up. It wasn’t always this way. Show me actual stats about hitters flopping at a higher rate than pitchers and I’ll retract my post. And I find your comment about Marlins having trouble developing hitters extremely accurate. Which is why I think you really meant to say we should trade the 19 year old pitcher for the fully developed, MLB ready hitting prospect in your initial post. First off I never said he was elite, I said he was highly-touted at the time which he absolutely was. And if you disagree, then you go find your own stats and prove me wrong, cause I don’t have to do shit 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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