3 hours ago, hovertical said:

Amazing what a competitive team will do isn't it?

It also should show Bruce that it's not going to happen overnight and still needs several years in a row of investments into some actual high end FAs etc to get people to come. 

They’re still 29th in attendance tho

9 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

They’re still 29th in attendance tho

Sure, but these are still the best attendance numbers for the team since 2017 when everyone was basically solely coming to see Stanton.

3 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

Yes but it also shows they will come with even just "some" success which I say because myself and others thought fans wouldn't believe in a good team for a long time and wouldn't increase attendance until like September of a contending year. But this season had attendance increasing pretty early on. 

That's a huge positive and should give incentive to always be competitive. They don't have to win the WS a few times for fans to come out. 

Especially now with three WC spots. This isn't like the days pre-2012 when only four teams from each league made the playoffs. Now you get six teams in (still think they should just do the obvious thing and go to eight but whatever), so there is absolutely no excuse to not be competitive.

Also, having the extra WC spots makes it more likely that fans will come out to the games later in the season. Back when there was just one WC team, half of the league would already be out of the race by June. Now, with tons of teams still in the race in September, it serves as an incentive for fans to come out and watch meaningful baseball.

Edited September 6, 20232 yr by Valid

13 minutes ago, Valid said:

Now you get seven teams in

Isn't it 6? 

15 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Isn't it 6? 

Whoops. Sorry. Yes.

15 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

Yes but it also shows they will come with even just "some" success which I say because myself and others thought fans wouldn't believe in a good team for a long time and wouldn't increase attendance until like September of a contending year. But this season had attendance increasing pretty early on. 

That's a huge positive and should give incentive to always be competitive. They don't have to win the WS a few times for fans to come out. 

That can be a double edged sword, though.  Because maybe Bruce likes the increase and doesn't want to work harder.  Hopefully he's not satisfied though.

 

12 hours ago, pollythewog said:

They’re still 29th in attendance tho

That may be true, but it's still an increase, and is proof the market can be relevant if there's a watchable product on the field.

 

12 hours ago, Valid said:

Especially now with three WC spots. This isn't like the days pre-2012 when only four teams from each league made the playoffs. Now you get six teams in (still think they should just do the obvious thing and go to eight but whatever), so there is absolutely no excuse to not be competitive.

Also, having the extra WC spots makes it more likely that fans will come out to the games later in the season. Back when there was just one WC team, half of the league would already be out of the race by June. Now, with tons of teams still in the race in September, it serves as an incentive for fans to come out and watch meaningful baseball.

They'll probably expand it once they add 2 more teams.

So here are the final Home attendance figures:

Attendance increased 28.14%, or 255k over last year, for a ending total of 1,162,810

 

 

Here's a linear graph for all 81 games:

2023 is the orange, 2022 is the blue.  The average is the green, so average attendance per game increased over the course of the season.

4 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

So here are the final Home attendance figures:

Attendance increased 28.14%, or 255k over last year, for a ending total of 1,162,810

 

 

Here's a linear graph for all 81 games:

2023 is the orange, 2022 is the blue.  The average is the green, so average attendance per game increased over the course of the season.

Hell yeah, brother!

5 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

So here are the final Home attendance figures:

Attendance increased 28.14%, or 255k over last year, for a ending total of 1,162,810

 

 

Here's a linear graph for all 81 games:

2023 is the orange, 2022 is the blue.  The average is the green, so average attendance per game increased over the course of the season.

Thus proving my and many many others’ hypothesis that the only thing that will bring people to the seats and increase attendance is winning and being in a playoff chase late in the year.

Not by signing X player from random Latin American country that may have a high population of people from said country residing in Miami.

 

I’ll say it now. If the Marlins were to sign Shohei. Attendance would go up for the first two months or so just as a result of him being here. However if by August they are 20 games under .500 we’re looking at 9-11k per game.

On the other hand if they signed Shohei and by August they are 20 games over, we’re looking at 20k a game on average. The key point is the winning record part. Speaking of records, this topic is sounding like a broken record by now. I just know it’s a matter of time before the offseason thread in 3-4 months and seeing comments like “if the Marlins would just trade for Salvador Perez, it would really bring people to the ballpark.” As if Miami people worked like that. 😂

Also shows that it won't take years of winning like some think. Just play consistently and make people believe a winner is on the field more often than not and they'll start coming out. Sure, years of winning will help with a lot and improve everything but it doesn't need to take that long to see attendance rise.

21 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

So here are the final Home attendance figures:

Attendance increased 28.14%, or 255k over last year, for a ending total of 1,162,810

 

 

Here's a linear graph for all 81 games:

2023 is the orange, 2022 is the blue.  The average is the green, so average attendance per game increased over the course of the season.

Wish national media would report this. 

28% is a gigantic increase in terms of people coming to see the games.  put a winner on the field and the people will come see it.  For the most part, the name on the back of the jersey doesn't matter as long as the team is winning. 

If they did sign Shohei but were 15 under .500 in August....ain't nobody coming to see that either.  Winning is ALL that matters for sustained attendance numbers.

now go get two good SP and Shohei this offseason. Show Cohen you're better than him, Bruce!

Just now, SilverBullet said:

Also shows that it won't take years of winning like some think. Just play consistently and make people believe a winner is on the field more often than not and they'll start coming out. Sure, years of winning will help with a lot and improve everything but it doesn't need to take that long to see attendance rise.

Yeah. I’ve mentioned in the past about years of winning as being the long term solution to have multiple consecutive seasons of high attendance. Like 20k+ average per game over the course of a whole season. Would probably take like 3+ consecutive years of playoffs appearances to get to that level of continuous high attendance over the course of a season. But yeah.. the main point is that Miami people will go wherever is trending and there is a buzz.. and if the Marlins are in a playoff chase then all of a sudden it’s a hot ticket. And watch and see if the Marlins happen to make the playoffs this year. Will see loanDepot park sold out every home game because then the Marlins are the hottest ticket in town. 😂

Just now, SirFishFan said:

Yeah. I’ve mentioned in the past about years of winning as being the long term solution to have multiple consecutive seasons of high attendance. Like 20k+ average per game over the course of a whole season. Would probably take like 3+ consecutive years of playoffs appearances to get to that level of continuous high attendance over the course of a season. But yeah.. the main point is that Miami people will go wherever is trending and there is a buzz.. and if the Marlins are in a playoff chase then all of a sudden it’s a hot ticket. And watch and see if the Marlins happen to make the playoffs this year. Will see loanDepot park sold out every home game because then the Marlins are the hottest ticket in town. 😂

I truly believe the Marlins are fighting for a playoff spot on the field and off it in the sense that a playoff spot will do so much for this organization's standing in the minds of the fan base and the community in general. 

57 minutes ago, SirFishFan said:

Thus proving my and many many others’ hypothesis that the only thing that will bring people to the seats and increase attendance is winning and being in a playoff chase late in the year.

Not by signing X player from random Latin American country that may have a high population of people from said country residing in Miami.

 

I’ll say it now. If the Marlins were to sign Shohei. Attendance would go up for the first two months or so just as a result of him being here. However if by August they are 20 games under .500 we’re looking at 9-11k per game.

On the other hand if they signed Shohei and by August they are 20 games over, we’re looking at 20k a game on average. The key point is the winning record part. Speaking of records, this topic is sounding like a broken record by now. I just know it’s a matter of time before the offseason thread in 3-4 months and seeing comments like “if the Marlins would just trade for Salvador Perez, it would really bring people to the ballpark.” As if Miami people worked like that. 😂

 

49 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Also shows that it won't take years of winning like some think. Just play consistently and make people believe a winner is on the field more often than not and they'll start coming out. Sure, years of winning will help with a lot and improve everything but it doesn't need to take that long to see attendance rise.

Absolutely agree that signing a player regardless of that player's origins doesn't move the needle for people.

Winning cures all even on an individual season basis - the Heat and more recently, Panthers prove that people will come out for winning teams.

What sustained/years long success WILL do is forgive some years that don't go according to plan - if the team has been successful for a few years, folks will be more likely to go if the team has a down year.

wondering why the attendance boost wasn't as big as what we saw from 2002->2003

812k in 2002 to 1.303M in 2003 for a 60% increase

maybe it was because it was in a bigger ballpark. i see some 40k+ attendance games for '03.

The 28% increase is great but to be honest it is lower than what I would've thought. In 2003 over the final 6 games we averaged 30k per game. This season, the last 6 home games were 15k/game.

1 hour ago, OnTopOfPhils said:

wondering why the attendance boost wasn't as big as what we saw from 2002->2003

812k in 2002 to 1.303M in 2003 for a 60% increase

maybe it was because it was in a bigger ballpark. i see some 40k+ attendance games for '03.

The 28% increase is great but to be honest it is lower than what I would've thought. In 2003 over the final 6 games we averaged 30k per game. This season, the last 6 home games were 15k/game.

 

I'd say a few factors:

 

- It was Loria, we don't know how numbers were reported - remember our attendance dropped significantly when Sherman took over because they switched to real attendance - counting people that actually walk through the door.  Loria counted tickets sold, whether the ticket-holder showed up or not, so we'd often have games where there was officially reported as "15k", but clearly there was about 5k there.

- Also with Loria, for all we know, he did $1 ticket giveaways, skewing numbers.

- bigger park = better ability to throw more people in that can offset some lesser attended games (for example, if the park held 15k more people, for the Yankees series, that'd have added 45 k)

- I don't think they've done a good job pushing to the public that they're in a playoff race - I agree the last few games should have been more attended than they were.

1 hour ago, OnTopOfPhils said:

wondering why the attendance boost wasn't as big as what we saw from 2002->2003

812k in 2002 to 1.303M in 2003 for a 60% increase

maybe it was because it was in a bigger ballpark. i see some 40k+ attendance games for '03.

The 28% increase is great but to be honest it is lower than what I would've thought. In 2003 over the final 6 games we averaged 30k per game. This season, the last 6 home games were 15k/game.

I remember the ‘03 season very well. There are a number of reasons for the higher attendance in 2003 compared to 2023 in my opinion:

The biggest one was the incredible buzz of Dontrelle Willis and to a lesser extent Miguel Cabrera. If you recall that season after Dontrelle was called up he instantly took all of MLB by storm. He won the NL Rookie of the Month in June.  He even made the all star team that year in July despite making his MLB debut in May since he had a 9-1 record with 2.08 ERA at the all star break. So every Dontrelle start was absolutely the hottest ticket in town as everyone around MLB knew about his electric pitching style. That’s the other point I’ve made in the past that the only other thing that will bring out people to the park besides the obvious one of winning is having a young exciting electric pitcher who is creating buzz around the MLB. Happened with Dontrelle, Jose and some others. But still people will just come out just for those specific games and only if the pitcher is flashy and exciting. That’s the reason why even though the Marlins have a top tier pitcher like top 1% in MLB level with Sandy, people won’t come out on huge numbers because Sandy isn’t flashy and exciting enough. But they would come for Sixto. 😂

To wrap up the point I’m making, in direct comparison from 2003 to 2023, I would say if Eury had pitched the whole season and put up some Dontrelle type numbers and buzz, we would probably have seen much higher numbers at least on games he pitched at home.

 

Another reason I would say is that it seemed in like 2003 there was an overall excitement and buzz in their playoff run. Maybe because they only had one wild card spot back then it was a much bigger deal to get in the playoffs. But also to be honest that ‘03 team was much more exciting and fun to watch. I mean I love the ‘23 team of course with guys like Arraez and Jazz etc. But I mean in ‘03 that lineup with guys like Juan Pierre, Luis Castillo, Pudge, Cabrera, Alex Gonzalez, Derrick Lee, Mike Lowell and Conine at the end, it just was a super fun team to watch very well balanced with like two of maybe the top 10 in MLB in speed and contact hitting leading off the game and enough power and slugging batters evenly spread throughout the lineup with Lee, Lowell, Pudge, Gonzo and Cabrera and even Encarnacion all capable of hitting XBH and HRs. Was super fun to watch and then of course the pitching was solid with Dontrelle, Pavano, Penny, Beckett and bullpen pieces with Chad Fox and Ugeth Urbina as late season pickups and Braden Looper stepping up as a closer that year. All in all a super fun team to watch and they were in a playoff chase in the late season and had Dontrelle Willis.. and picked up Conine late in the season. All perfect ingredients to draw big crowds and people were coming out to support. Also at that time Dwayne Wade hadn’t even made his regular season Heat debut yet, so the Heat weren’t as big a draw yet as they would become in just a few years. I don’t think that had much to do with anything but just wanted to mention. 😂

 

 

21 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

- Also with Loria, for all we know, he did $1 ticket giveaways..

That’s a good point. 

I remember that season going to a game in early May a couple of weeks before they hired Jack McKeon, and the price of tickets in the “fish tank” section of the park in right center field were going for $4 a piece as regular price. Even the better seats in right field were like $6-8 and left field above the teal monster around $10ish if I can remember correctly. Those cheap prices plus a winning team with Dontrelle and other exciting players in the midst of a playoff run probably helped a lot to get more people out. Also other small details that people don’t think about is that back then 20 years ago, life was still relatively cheap or much cheaper compared to today at least. Parking, concessions, gas are all things we never consider, but can definitely make a huge difference when you consider people coming out and bringing their family to a game where as maybe back then a family of four could have a fun game for around ~$60-$75 total including parking and food if they got the cheaper seats. Now that same family of four might be looking at closer to $150-$200 for the same experience. 😂

baby steps...

bottom line - good product and more people show up

consistently good/great product - even more people show up

 

INVEST IN IT BRUCE

I'll keep track of next year's numbers too 🙂 

16 hours ago, hovertical said:

baby steps...

bottom line - good product and more people show up

consistently good/great product - even more people show up

 

INVEST IN IT BRUCE

Ohtani and Yamamoto welcome to Miami 

1 minute ago, pollythewog said:

Ohtani and Yamamoto welcome to Miami 

They going on vacation there this off-season?

12 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

Ohtani and Yamamoto welcome to Miami 

@TaiwanMarlins is that you?

3 hours ago, pollythewog said:

Ohtani and Yamamoto welcome to Miami 

 

3 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

They going on vacation there this off-season?

Nah, we’re just hosting the Dodgers next season.