May 6, 20242 yr 47 minutes ago, Admin said: I assume they are hoping he improves in the minors or even a stint in majors before deadline so they can spin him off to a contender. As for the other guys never having success in minors, I have to disagree with you. But this mindset you have is questionable. How many times have teams acquired "top prospects" with "solid minor league numbers" and seen them bust? A lot fewer times than shitty, unheralded prospects becoming great lol
May 6, 20242 yr 51 minutes ago, Admin said: other dudes have never had any success in the minors. BTW Marsee's 2023 season was pretty solid - https://www.milb.com/player/jakob-marsee-805300 Yes, most of it was in High-A and the results this year have not been great... but he has had success before.
May 6, 20242 yr 4 hours ago, Admin said: Not that he was the issue obviously but... We weren't exactly lighting the world on fire even with Arraez this season. *shrugs* One down season shouldn't be the basis for dismantling the team. They've had shit luck with pitcher injuries this year and could be a much better team next year if they re-armed and added the right pieces. But no, that's never the option. Anytime there's some sort of hiccup we gotta gut the team and sell everything.
May 6, 20242 yr 9 minutes ago, LordMagnus said: One down season shouldn't be the basis for dismantling the team. They've had shit luck with pitcher injuries this year and could be a much better team next year if they re-armed and added the right pieces. But no, that's never the option. Anytime there's some sort of hiccup we gotta gut the team and sell everything. I also go back to we should've been sprinkling in a good FA each year that would help fill the lineup gaps, AND make up for our poor bat development until we can right the ship. Instead we're here in year....5? 6? of the rebuild, still with many lineup holes and entering another rebuild. It's crazy.
May 6, 20242 yr 17 minutes ago, LordMagnus said: One down season shouldn't be the basis for dismantling the team. They've had shit luck with pitcher injuries this year and could be a much better team next year if they re-armed and added the right pieces. But no, that's never the option. Anytime there's some sort of hiccup we gotta gut the team and sell everything. Arraez wasn't going to sign long term, whether we like it or not cause Bruce wasn't going to sign him. So he was gone after next season regardless. I continue to say Bruce is the big issue though.
May 6, 20242 yr 42 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I also go back to we should've been sprinkling in a good FA each year that would help fill the lineup gaps, AND make up for our poor bat development until we can right the ship. Instead we're here in year....5? 6? of the rebuild, still with many lineup holes and entering another rebuild. It's crazy. yep. I think Avi is the only real mid-tier (Terms of price) FA during all of Bruce's regime isn't he? Literally the ONLY one? Certainly nobody more expensive than that and everyone else has been kinda bargain level. edit: i guess Soler too although for a much shorter term Edited May 6, 20242 yr by J'Daniel
May 6, 20242 yr 39 minutes ago, J'Daniel said: yep. I think Avi is the only real mid-tier (Terms of price) FA during all of Bruce's regime isn't he? Literally the ONLY one? Certainly nobody more expensive than that and everyone else has been kinda bargain level. edit: i guess Soler too although for a much shorter term Yup, he and Soler (who had an opt-out after every year of his potentially 3 year deal) have been the most expensive signings. Everyone else has been the lower priced one or two year deal type signings. That's what I haven't understood - they didn't need to splurge on 5 different $300M guys every year to be successful. Drop in a 100M guy one year, a 50M priced guy the next, maybe another one in between those two, and 1) we then have a more competitive lineup each year and 2) ALL the shopping doesn't need to be done in a single year. I don't get why that's so difficult instead of having to make 18 different moves in a single offseason just to hope things work out.
May 6, 20242 yr 3 hours ago, Admin said: Arraez wasn't going to sign long term, whether we like it or not cause Bruce wasn't going to sign him. So he was gone after next season regardless. I continue to say Bruce is the big issue though. Why wasn't he going to sign long term? Did he not want to be there? Or are you saying Sherman is too cheap to sign him long term (which is beside the point, we all know that)? I'm not naive. I think the front office was planning to sabotage this year regardless, which is why they didn't make any moves to strengthen the team in the off season. With a responsible owner Arraez stays and they try again next year.
May 6, 20242 yr Sadly, there will be more of an outcry when Jazz is traded versus what we've seen with Arraez. Well, assuming Jazz isn't injured sometime soon again.
May 7, 20242 yr 8 minutes ago, pollythewog said: Yeah that's also what happens when you clearly throw out the white flag in May by trading your best player. They're gonna know the Marlins are eager to trade. Bendix gonna have to wait until the deadline most likely unless he wants a shitty return.
May 7, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, pollythewog said: I doubt that's the case. That's just posturing. I'm sure there will a lot of interest in some of our players.
May 7, 20242 yr 20 minutes ago, Rydawg said: I doubt that's the case. That's just posturing. I'm sure there will a lot of interest in some of our players. Our guys aren't very good and/or are injured. Jazz MIGHT bring back a top 100 prospect but who else would? Lizard is injured and has already TJ surgery once and his sore elbow will likely lead to a second one. Sandy is injured this year. Who else? Burger ain't getting much. Bell, Avi, Gordon, Sanchez sure as hell ain't bringing much. Scott has been walking more than one per inning.
May 7, 20242 yr We will see what happens. If this is a pure salary dump then expect some of them to get traded for very little.
May 7, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, LordMagnus said: We will see what happens. If this is a pure salary dump then expect some of them to get traded for very little. Don't worry Daddy Dix is Ivy League material. A real braniac. Clearly will get top notch value.
May 7, 20242 yr 38 minutes ago, J'Daniel said: Our guys aren't very good and/or are injured. Jazz MIGHT bring back a top 100 prospect but who else would? Lizard is injured and has already TJ surgery once and his sore elbow will likely lead to a second one. Sandy is injured this year. Who else? Burger ain't getting much. Bell, Avi, Gordon, Sanchez sure as hell ain't bringing much. Scott has been walking more than one per inning. Luzardo, Jazz , and Braxton will bring back nice hauls. Burger, and Scott could also by the deadline. All of these guys (except Scott) have a ton of control and that's very valuable.
May 7, 20242 yr 11 minutes ago, Rydawg said: Luzardo, Jazz , and Braxton will bring back nice hauls. Burger, and Scott could also by the deadline. All of these guys (except Scott) have a ton of control and that's very valuable. It's only valuable if the players are performing well though. Why would we expect to get back more for Burger (who isn't doing great this year) than we gave up to get him last season? Jazz isn't really that great. Dude is slugging under .400 and has a huge injury risk and has never had a breakout season. Ever. Braxton has had one good season and is now injured along with Luzardo. You're really overvaluing the Marlins.
May 7, 20242 yr Luzardo will bring back a nice haul if he is healthy. Tanner Scott will bring back an ok haul if he continues to pitch well. Jizz I assume will produce a decent prospect or two. Aside from those guys....
May 7, 20242 yr 13 minutes ago, J'Daniel said: It's only valuable if the players are performing well though. Why would we expect to get back more for Burger (who isn't doing great this year) than we gave up to get him last season? Jazz isn't really that great. Dude is slugging under .400 and has a huge injury risk and has never had a breakout season. Ever. Braxton has had one good season and is now injured along with Luzardo. You're really overvaluing the Marlins. I guess we'll see what happens.
May 7, 20242 yr 9 minutes ago, Rydawg said: I guess we'll see what happens. Yep. If Skip let Jazz run all the time it would also help boost his stock. Dude should steal way more than he does. If Luzardo is healthy he should def bring back the best prospects though. I just think his sore elbow will need TJ.
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