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What's wrong with all of this sport writers and sports radio talk host?? is this the best they can do? I mean I hear nothing but negative comments and articles about this team, it's unbelievable! they give this team no credit whatsoever, they've won like 9-10 games in a row in ST, yeah like everyone says it's just ST but heck, at least give these kids credit, they've showed cojones. I just heard that retard Kimbo Camper on WQAM that this team will win like 40+ games the most, and that the team won't be the same without Castillo, Delgado, LoDuca, etc. We had all those big money players last year and we choked, totally underachieved. So why not talk about a young team that's gonna be fun to watch and I'm sure will put more runs in the scoreboard than last years team. I'm sure they have a shot at .500 and possibly winning 70+ games, give some optimism goddamit. I agree whole heartedly with that comment...I actually sent Hyde an email about this article and said why is that the S. Florida media both on radio/tv and in print not support the fish....did he really have to point out trading Dontrelle a few days prior to opening day. I think not....and then on Mad Dog Mandich....he is pointing out that there are no Marlins fans - no talk of baseball as we approach opening day....I wanted to call but could not get a cell signal....I am so fed up with the DOLPHINS commentators - they rule the sports arena down here and care not for baseball or the marlins.

I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone, but doesn't this sound the slightest bit fishy to anyone? I'm not trashing grass roots movements, or the belief of political efficacy, but this woman seems to only be out for herself. As Marlins2003 said earlier, it appears she's just campaigning for a job somewhere down the line. I mean, here's the gist of the meeting from the reports from those who went: "Let's set up a meeting with Wayne Huizenga, we should have the mayor, possibly the governor, some Marlins representatives, and...me!" No one else finds that the slightest bit off? So what? She's spearheading it, so she can make herself one of the key figures. So long as she's trying to get the Marlins to stay in South Florida I couldn't care less if she also wants a job. If anything, it's a strong incentive for her to succeed: if she gets the Marlins to stay, she gets a job. No, see, I think you missed my point. What I meant was this: As an organizer of a grass roots movement, without experience in government, no degree demonstrating a specialty in the field or really any involvement with any of the parties at a professional level, she brings nothing to the table. What the goal of any "save the Marlins" movement should be is making it evident enough that this is a big deal to the voters...meaning the focus should be on all local and state politicians, not Huizenga, not the Marlins. There need to be lists pages long with countless names on them presented to every elected official or hopeful for the 2006 elections. That's the goal, not sitting in a board room with Huizenga and Loria. How seriously would she be taken, or, more importantly, what would she bring to the table? I'm not at the point in saying that her heart is in the wrong place, but I seriously question where her head is... Since obviously you were not there - you do not know what we discussed as a task force. We are meeting with the Dade County Commission to put our cause on the upcoming agenda for a commission meeting. We formed an official PAC (political activity committe) to be recognized by the government. Based on suggestions from the rep of Carlos Alvarez (Miami-Dade Mayor's Office) we go to this meeting and see what they suggest - if they require to see 100k petitions from taxpayers then our REAL work starts. But it may not be necessary to jump through this hoop until told to. We discussed shirts, and bumper sticker designs, we discussed volunteering on weekends and such gathering voters petitions, email campaigns to the local politiicians... And for the record - she is more than qualified as she sat on the City of Miami Sports and Exhibition Committe and brought back the Grand Prix of Miami and several other sporting related initiatives. The main thing that ties us all together is love for the Marlins. Miami lost the Orange Bowl, the Fl . Panthers, the Orange Bowl parade....if we do not speak up on this, they will allow the Marlins to move out of the state when a viable option does rear its head in whatever state that may be....Vegas is not happening... But the movement is trying to involve local and state politicians and what you're mentioning is part of the plan. If her experience in leading this kind of an effort is limited, well, it's important to note that she is trying to involve as many people as possible and certainly welcoming those whose areas of expertise will be beneficial. It would be a problem if she was one of those arrogant types who think they always know best. For example, the person I mentioned I put her in touch with, has some experience in dealing with local and state politicians and can help in other areas as well. Well, I sent her the info last night and they have already communicated and plan to meet. Every movement needs a leader and, let's face it, she's the one who stepped up. Trying to start something like this is daunting and difficult when you have to balance a full-time career and personal obligations as well as I'm sure many of us are keenly aware. She can't do it alone and knows it. I do not believe she would be adverse to constructive criticism. So what? She's spearheading it, so she can make herself one of the key figures. So long as she's trying to get the Marlins to stay in South Florida I couldn't care less if she also wants a job. If anything, it's a strong incentive for her to succeed: if she gets the Marlins to stay, she gets a job. Prinmemito, I agree and was trying to make that point some time ago. If she does or doesn't have personal ambitions, who cares as long as our goal is the same! Believe me, I have met with her one on one and she is devoted to this cause and our goal of saving Baseball in S. Florida...that is why I am coordinating Broward efforts to do the same thing....we are working together on this, but since she is in Miami, I am trying to assist in Broward - my background is not in politics but as a fan of baseball and the Florida marlins - I am an organizer of events and have coordinated several projects for charities in S. Florida, and professional I am a Tax Accountant for a major corporation in S. Florida.

It seems the Marlins and MLB really don't have better alternatives than South Florida. The Marlins have taken the wrong approach and instead of working to establish strong connections within the community and local governments they're playing the game of brinkmanship and alienating themselves. I suppose we'll see soon enough whether their approach will work. Otherwise as fans we may be looking at low-budget payrolls for quite awhile. MLB is expecting DC to fully pay for the stadium and then agree to favorable lease terms. That is a significantly better deal than the Marlins have been offered if it happens. The Marlins have not really offered to put much cash up front, but are willing to pay for all cost overruns. Other cities expect the Marlins to contribute a significant amount of money as well. So the Marlins may threaten to relocate, but it appears from these reports they'll have just as difficult a time coming to an agreement with San Antonio, Portland or Las Vegas as they are having with Miami. I do not believe the media gets the stadium deal - either that or they are miscommunicating it completely. The whole deal that was almost agreed upon last year - DOES NOT GIVE THE OWNERSHIP THE STADIUM - the City of Miami/Miami Dade County would have owned the stadium. The media kept pushing the idea that giving owners a free playground is wrong. That was not the deal that was in place - it was a partnership between the local government and the ownership - afterall the ownership is putting up $192m of its own money which would have come mainly in the form of lease payments on the stadium. Last year the sales tax rebate - which also was not communicated very well in the media - was almost a done deal - according to the mayor Carlos Alvarez' camp - all it needed was a nudge of support from the Senate - our dade county state representation did nothing to voice the need for the stadium and therefore the rebate is killed. To explain the rebate - simply the money that is spent on construction, materials, etc all the sales tax is rebated or not paid to the State for x number of years to a tune of $2m per year (think it summed to $30m). The point was not made that without the rebate the money would not be spent in FL anyways - at least it is a revenue stream for the state of Florida and for the dade county. Whatever happened to the money earmarked for stadiums and the like from the Dade County Bed Tax - that money is already sitting there and just needs a push to allocate to the stadium. We as citizens of the S. Florida area need to have our voices heard - do not allow the media and politicians kill baseball in S. Florida. Citizens to Save Baseball in S. Florida is a step in the right direction to give the fans a voice that WILL BE HEARD.

I was there tonight. There were about 40 people there and I was the youngest one. It's not official yet but she said that the next meeting will be in about two weeks and they plan to meet at Conine's restaurant. Is it going to be the day of the Heat playing the Pistons for the souls of the universe or something? No it will not be - I am making sure that the Broward meeting does not conflict with any other sporting venue for that night. Honestly, with the Heat playing and the Rose Bowl - the organizer, Marianne did not know about them when setting the meeting date. How many fans do we have on the board from Broward County - this would be a good poll to set up to see where everybody is from ( Dade, Broward, Monroe, Palm Beach, or other). I am hoping that we will have a good turnout at the Broward meeting - details will be posted soon just working on the date and time. Until next time...

I was there tonight. There were about 40 people there and I was the youngest one. It's not official yet but she said that the next meeting will be in about two weeks and they plan to meet at Conine's restaurant. Rachel - I belive I saw you there - perhaps with a family member? I was the one who spoke up about the Tricounty Coalition to Save Baseball. I was the lone rep from Broward from what I could tell. It was good to see support from all ages, sex, and races. Tealfins, were you wearing a blue shirt and glasses? Yeah, that was me...

I was there tonight - I am making arrangements with Conines Clubhouse to hold our next meeting in the next week or so. I will make sure that there are no conflicting sporting venues held that night. We had just under 50 there in Kendall. Though I am not his- panic nor do I speak Spanish, they did interpret for me the gist of the conversation. We formed a PAC (Political Action Committee) known as the "Citizens to Save Baseball in S. Fla". The leadership will meet with the Dade County Commission to put our cause on the agenda for an upcoming meeting. Depending on how they address our existence will determine the next step. It is possible that we may need to do some grass roots petitioning for registered voters. But that will be determined in the near future. A news media camera taped the meeting and a final press release announcing our PAC existence - that will be aired on Sunday at 7pm on Channel 22 (I believe that is WDLP). We did hear some ideas as to some action steps - the main one being to get the county to recognize us. Another key is to align ourselves with Huizenga's camp in backing his plans for a "Citywalk" type of establishment around the stadium. Currently this is being held up by zoning issues for the land around the stadium. If we show our support for his need, a favorable stadium situation is in the mix then we will support his cause publicly. Interesting to hear that a rep from MLB (Bob Dupuy) met with Huizenga last week. The only reason MLB would meet with Huizenga is to see what can be done to save baseball in S. Florida. His plans for a shopping/restaurant complex around the Dolphins stadium can be a saving grace for baseball as well. On that note, several of us will be arranging a meeting with Huizenga - hoping to get a media type and a player from the Marlins to join in our efforts (Lenny Harris was mentioned as a native Floridian who attended HS locally). Several lunch trucks are going to have banners with a Fish chewing the NY symbol - and the words Remember 2003 - We need a stadium - Save Baseball for S. Florida - or something to that effect. I will be posting details on the Broward County meeting in the next day or so - we hope to meet soon. Hopefully we will have more than the 50 in Miami - granted this was not the best night considering the Heat played (awfully) and the Rose Bowl (great game) but it is a start in the right direction. Until next time...

Why does this matter? Todd Jones had ONE good year and hes been around for like 10 so it doesnt matter. hes going to flop next season in detroit and we all will laugh about this. oh and maybe another reason is because JONES is like pushing 50 now and the roster average age is 23, we obviously just wanted to go younger. Jones is gone let it go. If that's the case, then why is Lenny Harris still on the bench? That spot would be better suited for someone who can assist by playing the field or pinch hitting in more than a few chances per week. Nothing against Lenny - he has been awesome off the bench, but with the team makeup this year - he is out of place. Why doesn't he fill in as a coach like Mordy. By the way, is Mordy still managing in our minor league system?

Let's get some bodies out there, no excuses, especially if you are saying it is too far I'm coming down from Broward to show my support. Agreed - I am coming down from Davie to show mine and we will hold a meeting in Broward in the next couple of weeks. It will be at night and most likely on a weeknight. Details to follow...

I belief her efforts are sincere. I am in communication with her as well and am working on setting up a Broward venue for a similar strategizing meeting. Does anybody have any connections to area hotels in Broward county, or large activities room at a condo? somewhere where we can meet and discuss some solutions and an action plan. More details to follow soon... This effort should be a tri-county initiative and the team name should remain the Florida Marlins. The fans come from all 3 counties so why not get the support from all three counties - form a tricounty sporting authority. Perhaps come up with a penny tax in the tricounty area or something along those lines to support the stadium initiative.

I was surprised how low he predicted AJ's value to be... What about Moyer or Rogers on one year deals to be the #3 starter? Can anyone say "Leiter" - it has a similar feel to it...especially in Rogers case as a 41 yr old leftie with media problems.

How about Jesus Sanchez - he was a little lefty with plenty of spunk...Used him for pinch running alot too.

So far we have some interesting names in the mix: Girardi - propped up as the next big mgr in the league - worked under Torre, young, bright baseball mind, and a former catcher. Freddi - former Marlins coach, knows some of the team, speaks Spanish, worked under Cox - also a promising future manager Macha - positive exp in Oakland with a payroll pinched A's team - might be more expensive then above two One I would like to have considered is Alan Trammell from the Tigers - he was stuck with a very weak team and weak pitching - that team is moving in the right direction under Dombrowski personnel manuevers and now with Leyland - expect Dombrowski to make some veteran acquisitions in the offseason. But Trammel was well liked by his team and maybe a new surrounding and our pitching staff will do him good. What do u think?

There were 2 outs, you send the runner. Jeff Cox didn't mess up, Cliff Floyd just made a really nice play. If you want to blame someone for the loss, then blame JP, our leadoff man who went 0-6. THE END. 956991[/snapback] That is a good point - he was doing ok the past week at the bottom of the lineup, why is he back in leadoff? I will tell you why - Jack just loves to tinker with a good thing...his system is if we won with what we had yesterday, must be good.

How many runs have been killed by Jeff Cox waving guys or stopping them at 3rd...I don't care who was running from 2nd - could have been Pierre - but they were dead at home with Floyd leading in OF assist from LF. Not sure who the manager is next year - but Cox has got to follow Jack to the pastures. I know that is not the main reason for our loss - but he has contributed to quite a few IMO.

That sounds like a great idea....been meaning to check his place out...what better reason !!!

Cape's Tenative Plan for Friday Night 1) Run to get home. 2) Get tix, hat, and essential ballgame stuff. 3) Jump in car. 4) Drive 2.5 hours to Dolphins Stadium 5) Hang around DS until gametime. 6) Watch ballgame. 7) Drive 2.5 hours back home to Cape Coral. 8) Crash in bed. 947015[/snapback] That is true devotion...to drive 5hrs roundtrip for a Marlins game....I applaud you!!! I will be there tonight (211), tomorrow night (213) and had to buy a ticket for Sunday for the hat-trick. The HUNT for TEAL OCTOBER IS ON!!!

I went with 3 of my friends and 2 cousins. We all have the 20 saturday game pack in fish tank. I wasnt able to make the 2:00 press conference because it was full even after I got there half an hour early but it was still a good time. Only player I saw was the Octupus and got autographs from all 3 announcers. The new guy Rick Waltz looks like a cool guy. Overall the VIP perks were pretty cool since we also got to sit in the press boxes. 683805[/snapback] I got to the 2pm conference at 1:15 and they were already turning us away. Then they tell us there will be a 3pm conference, so I got into line for that, then word is the 3pm conference was in Spanish only. As a season ticket holder, I think their should have been an autograph session just for us. The lines to get a mystery ticket for autograph ran half way around the stadium. In the sun for that amount of time, then no guarantee that you would get a ticket for whom was a terrible ordeal. I stood on the outside of the tent and got some pics of the players as they left and from the photo booth. Isn't there a special event for season ticket holders for autographs and such?

i own it, its a great DVD. I got the VHS of the 97 one as well 671636[/snapback] I also have both...and I recorded alot of the playoff games....tonight I watched game 5 Beckett vs. Zambrano - where Sosa goes ballistic after Beckett pitches up and in....great to see that action again....also have the game 4 against the Giants when Dontrelle pitches and hits a good game, then the monumental finish at the plate against Pudge. I hope this year can be another post season play.

Here is my letter that I just emailed him Senator Tom Lee, I could not believe what I read that you actually had the gall to refer to the Marlins executives as "terrorists". For an educated man of your position to throw around such unwarranted name-calling towards several of your constituents makes we wonder. The Florida Marlins have won 2 WS titles in the past 11 years of their existence and the current stadium they are playing in are kicking them out. They deserve the rebate/subsidy that they are requesting just as much as any other professional FL athletic team. The fact that they were visiting Las Vegas is simply good business sense to have a plan B should the current ideas fail to materialize. I have been a Marlins fan for the past 9 years and a season ticket holder for the past 2. The South Florida market needs this team and this legislative session needs to approve the tax rebate/subsidy.

What do you expect? He's a Republican from a hick part of the state. 660592[/snapback] He should become a Democrat. He makes Republicans look bad. 660700[/snapback] Whether he is a Demo or Repub or even a Libertarian....what does that have to do with the inappropriate tone and verbage spewed from his mouth.

exactly and it wasn't exactly terrorist negotiations I also agree w/PhishPhan ... the line about already appropriating money to move them to Vegas stood out There is nothing wrong in business w/shopping your options, especially when they have a preference to one group they are telling florida we want to be here, we have the deal almost done, all we need is a little bit of aid that you have given everyone else, our lease is not going to be extended and wayne is pumping $$ to make it even more of a football stadium ... for this franchise to be viable we need a home Either FL can step up and provide it, or else other options will have to be looked at If they are really pissed about them potentially moving to Vegas, then they need to step up and do what is necessary to keep them in FL 660685[/snapback] I do not remember the Marlins making a press statement about their visit to Vegas...that was as Samson put it at the Fan Festival a case where the press reports all dealings just as if one of our employers were meeting with a potential merger target. The FL govt better get behind this...otherwise bye bye Fishy

What about the negotiations with Valdez....I think he did alright for a 5th starter and if he were to stay the rotation would be in pretty good shape...Burnett, Beckett, Leiter, Willis, and Valdez? Sounds nice to me.

I live in Port St. Lucie so I only go to around 20-30 games a year . If I lived within a 40 mile radius I would probably go to at least 50 games a year. 646787[/snapback] WOW that is impressive considering how far you have to drive...I have a 20 game ticket package and catch a few others throughout the year from tickets at work or through other avenues....but I catch all the others on TV...

Has any one taken time to actually watch the show?Please post your thoughts. 576667[/snapback] Yes I watch every week for the most part....another good prophecy person is Grant Jeffries and Hal Lindsey on TBN...very good information I believe the anti-christ is alive and well and will come out of the European Union as the prophecy teachers explain the connection of the revised Roman Empire, i.e. the new European Union. He will not take over in force but the people will throw power and control at him because he will be adored by the people... JVI teaches that the revealing of the Anti Christ can come anytime during "the generation that sees the birth of the Jewish State "Israel"...since this happened in the past 50 yrs....the generation that saw the birth of Israel are getting into their 60's and above....therefore we are in the generation that will see the rise of Antichrist and the return of our Lord... the birth of Israel as a recognized nation is considered the start of the prophetic calendar...as we speak there are plans to rebuild Soloman's temple and Revelation tells us that the Antichrist will reintroduce animal sacrifices in Soloman's temple...so time is ticking....rejoice for our redemption draws near...

im trying to keep the faith but its so hard..i mean i beat myself about it literally. i want him to kill me and then show me what to do and then let me be where i was when he took me...like a glimpse. i try to be a good person that my parents mess it up some how by doing or saying somthing and i get all mad...i agree about how to stop saying his vain in name..but the thing is i dont want to do anything like that. i dont want to go to church and be good cuz im scared of the world and how crappy it is..why did he make us like this. another thing is i know that god is not to blame it is me but i cannot blame myself, its like a reaction.. i feel like he takes a break on my life and let satan do his job..thats why im always so negative to people and hurt myself. now what do i do. 631310[/snapback] Fishfan, being a Christian does not mean our life is going to be easier, if anything it may be harder because Satan recognizes who we belong to and wants to make us feel bad about everything we do. Not to mention, Satan is afraid of the potential we have as Christians in reaching others with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. So it when we realize who we are as Christians that Satan fears our potential. If we sit back and do nothing to share our faith with others, then there is nothing for him to be afraid of. Jesus told us that this world is not our home and is for a short time or "vapor" whereas eternity is forever. We, as Christians, are not of this world....we are but travelers on our way home and along the way we try to help others, and carry out our Father's plans here on Earth. When I first came to Christ nearly 10yrs ago...I was a partyer, drinking alcohol, into some carnal stuff...but Christ helped me clean up....we do not clean up because the Bible tells us it is wrong, but from our love for Him, we want to clean ourselves to be more like Him. My first endeavor as a Christian, was to read the bible - I digested the New Testament within a month and more eyes were wide open as to what his plans are for us. But getting His word into our systems is the best advice to changing or repenting of our sins. Praying to seek his will and guidance also helps. Although I am not a Catholic...my wife was and I have been in Catholic churches, I find that there really is more ritual than learning....the only portion of Bible that is taught is during the hominy which is just not enough for me. Attending a good church grounded in his word is a good start...and remember Faith is the evidence of things not seen....we have to believe before we see his presence...God Bless....Merry Christmas