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guys i just read this from the miami herald.... Posted on Wed, May. 04, 2005 FLORIDA SPORTS BUZZ Loria faces tough decision Unless the state Senate pulls a big surprise and approves the Marlins' stadium funding package by the end of the legislative session Friday, owner Jeffrey Loria faces the most difficult decision of his professional life. Does he move the team, likely to Las Vegas? Or does he change his mind and chip in the final $30 million in funding to keep the team here? If the state does not deliver by Friday, look for MLB to give the Marlins the go-ahead to speak with other cities. We have also learned that Las Vegas has emerged as baseball's top choice among markets seeking teams, with Monterrey, Mexico, and Charlotte, N.C., less likely options. Vegas needs a stadium, and MLB believes there would be adequate funding for one. MLB president Robert DuPuy and the Marlins declined to discuss relocation. DuPuy said loaning or giving the Marlins the final funding piece ``has not been suggested or considered.'' Four scenarios to save the $420 million project: ? The city or county increasing its contributions. Both say they won't. The county, whose $138 million contribution includes $78 million from hotel bed taxes, has had a good year in tourist revenue, but hasn't produced nearly enough above projections to cover the remaining $30 million. Is there a way to salvage the deal without state help? ''I'm not a quitter. I never give up,'' Miami Mayor Manny Diaz, lobbying for state money in Tallahassee this week, said Tuesday. ``I'm still convinced we can get state [help].'' ? Loria increasing his $192 million piece. President David Samson has said Loria's contribution, the fourth-highest in pro sports, is as far as he will go. Forget a rich businessman buying a piece of the team and covering the final $30 million -- none has emerged, and the Marlins aren't courting any. ? Eliminating the dome or the retractable element to save money. The Marlins won't consider either. ? Reducing the cost of the project from $420 million to $390 million by cutting corners. The team, which has vowed to cover cost over-runs, has said that's unrealistic. The Marlins, contractually bound to Dolphins Stadium through 2006, remain disinterested in forging a new long-term lease with Wayne Huizenga. its not looking good if we don't get that damn stadium deal done......

Pedro was just unreal last night, another dominating performance. The offense puts up 3 just in time to get him the win and Cliff Floyd now has the longest hitting streak in the majors this season at nearly 18 games. Nive 5-1 win. Glavine going today, he seriously needs a win to jump start his season. 761455[/snapback] um...dude enjoy pedro he's the only pitcher u have....

Commentary: Don't let NASCAR museum out of Florida By Frank Cerabino Palm Beach Post Columnist Wednesday, May 04, 2005 It looks like the NASCAR museum is in trouble. I've got a suggestion. But first, let's all agree that whatever tax break is necessary to put a NASCAR museum in Florida is well worth it. At this point, we need a NASCAR museum just to make us look smarter, and to provide some relief from the state's other pressing business, which lately has been to prevent a 13-year-old state ward from getting the abortion she wants. Clearly, we need to get back on track. The state's already paying subsidies for fishing and golf museums, so it makes sense to add NASCAR ? unless, of course, bowling opens up. For just $1.2 million a year for a mere 25 years, we can claim the national hall of fame and museum for America's... um, loudest ... sport. Also, spending public money to promote for-profit stock car racing is a great companion piece of legislation to the national effort to gut public financing for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which airs the kind of high-brow, soft-spoken programming that does nothing but make people dangerously more educated. If Florida doesn't pay for a NASCAR museum and hall of fame in Daytona Beach, some other state will. Charlotte, N.C.; Richmond, Va.; Kansas City, Kan.; and Atlanta have all expressed interest in the racing museum. We need to get busy. NASCAR, Marlins money married The problem is that the NASCAR money is tucked away inside an apparently doomed boondoggle aimed at helping the indigent Florida Marlins. To make the Marlins' deal more palatable, lawmakers had to also hand out goodies to other sports operations across the state ?tossing out millions in tax breaks to the Orlando Magic basketball team, four baseball spring training sites, and NASCAR's would-be museum. The bill sailed through the state House last week, but has gotten bogged down in the Senate, where it may die from the collected heft of its largesse. NASCAR needs to break from the pack by highlighting its payback plan. Proponents of the museum claim that sales of a NASCAR specialty license plate in Florida would offset the subsidy. After all, who wouldn't want to extol the virtues of racing on their vehicle? License plate popularity is key At $25 a license plate, 48,000 Floridians would have to drive around with race car license plates in order to pay back the subsidy. Is this likely? That would mean the NASCAR license plate would be the eighth-most popular specialty license plate in the state ? behind the panther, wild dolphin, manatee, sea turtle, University of Florida, Florida State University and the Challenger. The NASCAR plate would have to be more popular than the Choose Life plate, which is on 41,795 vehicles in the state. Could be a problem, considering overlap. So to save the NASCAR museum, legislators may have to take the next step, and rent out their bodies for sponsorships, NASCAR-style. It's the only sure way to pay for the tax break. Like human race cars, the lawmakers' business suits could be covered with the logos of their campaign contributors. Yes, it would be a little tacky, but we've crossed that bridge long ago. :mad 762689[/snapback] this guys a f***ing looser.....who hell cares about nascar f*** nascar....i want the stadium damn it.....

Starting Pitchers: Burnett 3-1, 2.43 :woohoo Hudson 2-1, 2.38 :boxed TV: FSN, ESPN Radio: WQAM 560, WQBA 1140 (Sp.) Rally Scene: :prayer :prayer JUST WIN :prayer 762492[/snapback] the queen does it again.... :notworthy :notworthy ...bow down maverick... :mischief :lol :lol

well I guess Ill get the next game thread... unless Holly steals it again? :confused 761504[/snapback] hehehehe :evil 761509[/snapback] :notworthy :notworthy ....praise her she's the queen of threads.... :notworthy :notworthy :lol :lol

760688[/snapback] :lol :lol ....al bundy's the man...

Not good. Plan B? - move out of state, or - put the difference 761511[/snapback] errrr........f*** tom lee and wayne hif***ingzinga that no good son of a bitch....f*** them both...if we loose the marlins cuz of these 2 a**holes i hope they go straight to hell....damn those sons o bitches....

We have done well vs Hampton, but he is pitching very well. It all depends on Al Leiter and if he can pitch 5 or 6 and allow only 2 or 3 runs. 761507[/snapback] hey fresh i know this is off topic, but have u heard anything the senate vote???

We have done well vs Hampton, but he is pitching very well. It all depends on Al Leiter and if he can pitch 5 or 6 and allow only 2 or 3 runs. 761507[/snapback] yes your right about that we do well against hampton....but we have leiter pitching which means disaster for us if he gets wild...which is what usually happens with him...i'm just hoping he can pitch GOOD 5 innings......

yea nice game thread....

Just out of curiousity, does the latest stadium proposal in clude changing the name to the Miami Marlins?? I hope not.? If the state hlpes fund the stadium, it seems like it should remain Florida. 757807[/snapback] I think the bill that passed in the house stipulated that if they took the state funding that they would have to keep the name flordia marlins. 757832[/snapback] ok wanna ask this to u.ok here i go...suppose the senate votes no are we done??? it has to get by both the senate and house??? 757834[/snapback] It has to be approved by both chambers and if there are any differences they must collaborate and come up with a common bill and vote on it again. If they approve the common bill, then it must be signed by the Governor or the Gov. can just let it become law. 757835[/snapback] My question is will be Loria be patient enough to wait if it doesn't happen this year or will he pick up his toys and go play in someone elses backyard. 757839[/snapback] good question... :plain

Just out of curiousity, does the latest stadium proposal in clude changing the name to the Miami Marlins?? I hope not.? If the state hlpes fund the stadium, it seems like it should remain Florida. 757807[/snapback] I think the bill that passed in the house stipulated that if they took the state funding that they would have to keep the name flordia marlins. 757832[/snapback] ok wanna ask this to u.ok here i go...suppose the senate votes no are we done??? it has to get by both the senate and house??? 757834[/snapback] It has to be approved by both chambers and if there are any differences they must collaborate and come up with a common bill and vote on it again. If they approve the common bill, then it must be signed by the Governor or the Gov. can just let it become law. 757835[/snapback] thanks for the info....hey u know when the senate meeting is???

Just out of curiousity, does the latest stadium proposal in clude changing the name to the Miami Marlins?? I hope not.? If the state hlpes fund the stadium, it seems like it should remain Florida. 757807[/snapback] I think the bill that passed in the house stipulated that if they took the state funding that they would have to keep the name flordia marlins. 757832[/snapback] ok wanna ask this to u.ok here i go...suppose the senate votes no are we done??? it has to get by both the senate and house???

757814[/snapback] oh man u insulted the poor dolphin by calling hum tom lee... :mad just call him what we usually call him the biggest ahole in the world....

Also, it doesn't help that our own Senator (like Diaz de la Portilla) are showing the middle finger to South Florida and is not supporting or pushing for the bill to be heard. My faith is in the Central Florida senators and other looking to get the bill approved for the NASCAR and MAgics, we are currently riding on the same bus. 757149[/snapback] hey fresh when did H.golberg oppose the stadium???do u have a link to it?? 757171[/snapback] Don't have a link, but he have been vocaly against it on the air. 757186[/snapback] thanks for the info...he probably hates the marlins because they got his ass suspended for talking s*** about loria..BTW i hate that bastard...

Also, it doesn't help that our own Senator (like Diaz de la Portilla) are showing the middle finger to South Florida and is not supporting or pushing for the bill to be heard. My faith is in the Central Florida senators and other looking to get the bill approved for the NASCAR and MAgics, we are currently riding on the same bus. 757149[/snapback] hey fresh when did H.golberg oppose the stadium???do u have a link to it??

Pitching matchup First game COL: RHP Jason Jennings ? 1-2, 4.21 ERA in 2005 ? 0-1, 6.55 ERA vs. FLA in 2004 FLA: RHP A.J. Burnett ? 2-1, 2.40 ERA in 2005 ? 1-0, 1.13 ERA vs. COL in 2004 Second game COL: RHP Byung-Hyun Kim ? 0-3, 9.64 ERA in 2005 ? Did not face FLA in 2004 FLA: RHP Travis Smith ? 0-0, 0.00 ERA in 2005 ? 0-0, 0.00 ERA vs. COL in 2005 Player to watch Jeff Conine could get a rare start during Thursday's doubleheader. Conine leads all Marlins with 16 homers against the Rockies in his career, and his .384 average (.423 at Coors Field) also leads the team (with 50 or more at-bats) against Colorado. Quotable "It was probably more surface than the snowflakes for Mike." -- Wednesday's starter Al Leiter on third baseman Mike Lowell's run-scoring error in the bottom of the second in heavy snow On the Internet MLB.TV Gameday Audio ? Gameday ? Official game notes On television ? COL: FSN Rocky Mountain ? FLA: FSN (first game only) On radio ? COL: KOA 850 AM ? FLA: WQAM 560 AM; WQBA 1140 AM (Espa?ol) this from floridamarlins.com

Starting Pitchers Burnett 2-1, 2.40 (Please be careful out there AJ :prayer ) Jennings 1-2, 4.21 TV: FSN Radio: WQAM 560, WQBA 1140 (Sp.) Rally Scene: :prayer :prayer *JUST WIN* :prayer 757050[/snapback] cuz of u we will win both games...... :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :thumbup

Thanks Cape wannabee.....by the way, their not playing a tripleheader and whose saying that two DH's are bad....... 757039[/snapback] hey fish i think this is piganator under another name...

*boos* If we lose you are to blame 756290[/snapback] agreed... :whistle :whistle :lol :lol

He's an average-hitter at positions where you can't be average and expect to win. I still think we're a better team with Conine in left and Miggy in right though. 755239[/snapback] are u crazy???miggy in right, what so he can cost us games like he did against atlanta last year...no thanx i'll stick with encarnacion in right and miguel in left and conine can ride the bench all year long..... 755242[/snapback] Not to get into it again and hijack the thread, but rightfield is the perfect position for a poor defensive outfielder with a strong arm. Far less balls are hit to rightield, meaning far less to screw up. Back on topic... well put Craig. 755287[/snapback] deal with him in left conine won't start until ency struggles...and i don't see that happening anytime soon...

He's an average-hitter at positions where you can't be average and expect to win. I still think we're a better team with Conine in left and Miggy in right though. 755239[/snapback] are u crazy???miggy in right, what so he can cost us games like he did against atlanta last year...no thanx i'll stick with encarnacion in right and miguel in left and conine can ride the bench all year long.....

We are 19 games into the season out of 162.? That is not even equivalent to two football games in their season, yet a lot of you guys are jumping to conclusions. Some of you guys need to learn how to be baseball fans.? This is not football where every game is vitally important.? As a matter of fact, about 25 games per year the manager puts out a lineup that does not give his team their best chance to win. I'm sick of hearing how concerned people are about Mike Lowell.? I'm still more concerned with Encarnacion and Alex Gonzalez, guys that history has shown we need to be concerned about.? Mike Lowell we don't need to worry about, I gaurantee you that. There's a lot of people here that are so freaking fair-weathered it's sickening.? One day you love Mike Lowell when he hits the GW home run in the NLCS, then after a slump he sucks and should be benched. Some of you guys hated Encarnacion in the offseason, yet now since he's had a good start he's all of a sudden a budding star. Luis Castillo had a bad first 9 games and a lot of you were bitching.? It makes me sick to see you guys tearing these guys that have contributed so much to the franchise over the years because of a few bad games.? Relax a little bit. 754664[/snapback] I agree 100% 755080[/snapback] i'll take that 100% and raise it to 1000%..... :thumbup

I cant stand this emoticon 754201[/snapback] come now that's holly's favorite emote....be nice..remeber the marlins 4-1 when she puts that emote... :thumbup :whistle

Just 30 more hours to go :woof 754585[/snapback] :lol :lol yo go chica.... :arms ..... :marlins :marlins :marlins :marlins :dancing