August 29, 200520 yr Dontrelle and A.J. have already done it. Both have had the type of runks that an ace is supposed to have. Becket, while decent for moth of the year has not had that "ace" run where he's able to put together an outstanding stretch. Today was an important day and a game we needed to win, for a sweep of the Cubs at their home in a 4 game series would have been huge, yet he had another disapointing outing, following a bad outing with another one just as bad. We need him to start pitching as he is capable off in order to make a run at the wild card.
August 29, 200520 yr dare I say it to be battered by everyone on the board? Yeah, I'll say it. Burnett > Willis > Beckett go ahead, prove me wrong if you can
August 29, 200520 yr I still feel better about Beckett starting than Burnett. Not to say anything against AJ
August 29, 200520 yr dare I say it to be battered by everyone on the board? Yeah, I'll say it. Burnett > Willis > Beckett go ahead, prove me wrong if you can 920211[/snapback] I'm going with Willis > Burnett > Beckett :-). But I agree Beckett is 3rd.
August 29, 200520 yr I still feel better about Beckett starting than Burnett. Not to say anything against AJ 920212[/snapback] Becketts who I want on the mound in games 1 and 5 of the LDS and 1 and 7 in the LCS and World Series(more if possible).
August 29, 200520 yr I tried to make this point about a month ago, but got trashed. The 2003 playoffs nonwithstanding, Beckett does not win big games. When he's matched up against upper echelon pitchers, or we need wins, he rarely seems to come through. In no way am I diminishing his 2003 performance, those games were obviously huge games, but he hasn't carried that over at all. He's a good pitcher, not great. I would much rather keep AJ than keep Beckett.
August 29, 200520 yr Beckett has been disappointing this year.. He's only gone more than 7 innings 3 times this year.
August 29, 200520 yr Willis>Burnett>VARGAS>Becket 920227[/snapback] Let's not get crazy. And can Burnett really be compared to the other three? They are all young pitchers, still figuring things out. AJ is 28. Not really the same thing.
August 29, 200520 yr I dont know where you are all coming from the guy is 12-8 , in 2003 he was 9-8 . He is pitching above average and when put in a payoff clutch spot the guy will be lights out . so dont beat him up too bad . My biggest concern is getting runs to support this fantastic pitching lineup.
August 29, 200520 yr He still is 12-8, has a sub 4 era, and a BAA of .233. You can't compare his season to burnett's and willis's since they are both have unbelievable seasons. Beckett is having the season that a good picther should have and is still probably a top 20 picther and must teams wouldnt mind having him as an ace. Yesterday seemed to me like he was tired which brings up beckett's biggest flaw. Since he is either injured or he tires late in games, he doesnt eat up innings for his team. An ace of a staff needs to eat innings but other than that hes all gravy.
August 29, 200520 yr he just trying to be too perfect. He has good enough stuff where he doesn't have to hit the corners at every pitch. He is stubborn, and no one has been able to get through him yet. He would probably have a monster season on his contract year.
August 29, 200520 yr Nobody's saying Beckett isn't good, I think we're saying he's not great. Besides the '03 postseason, he has shown that he is a good/injury prone pitcher. Also, i hate his attitude. Willis obviously has a great demeanor, and Burnett has a very competitive attitude. To me, Beckett comes across as a whiney baby most of the time. He thinks he ought to be treated like a star, but he won't pitch like one. There's no way he should be tired. With his DL stints he should be the freshest down the stretch. Don't even try to use that excuse.
August 29, 200520 yr he just trying to be too perfect. He has good enough stuff where he doesn't have to hit the corners at every pitch. He is stubborn, and no one has been able to get through him yet. He would probably have a monster season on his contract year. 920302[/snapback] Your absolutley right. Being to perfect and then makes a mistake down the middle.
August 29, 200520 yr he just trying to be too perfect. He has good enough stuff where he doesn't have to hit the corners at every pitch. He is stubborn, and no one has been able to get through him yet. He would probably have a monster season on his contract year. 920302[/snapback] Your absolutley right. Being to perfect and then makes a mistake down the middle. 920464[/snapback] Wouldn't trying to be too perfect make him walk batters?
August 29, 200520 yr he just trying to be too perfect. He has good enough stuff where he doesn't have to hit the corners at every pitch. He is stubborn, and no one has been able to get through him yet. He would probably have a monster season on his contract year. 920302[/snapback] Your absolutley right. Being to perfect and then makes a mistake down the middle. 920464[/snapback] Wouldn't trying to be too perfect make him walk batters? 920495[/snapback] Yeah that too
August 29, 200520 yr I tried to make this point about a month ago, but got trashed. The 2003 playoffs nonwithstanding, Beckett does not win big games.? When he's matched up against upper echelon pitchers, or we need wins, he rarely seems to come through.? In no way am I diminishing his 2003 performance, those games were obviously huge games, but he hasn't carried that over at all.? He's a good pitcher, not great.? I would much rather keep AJ than keep Beckett. 920226[/snapback] Even in the playoffs he choked twice, and that's without counting the big time disaster of game 1 of the NLCS. The opposing pitchers in the losses: Schmidt and Mussina. Of course, we all know the other things he did in the 03 postseason.
August 29, 200520 yr I tried to make this point about a month ago, but got trashed. The 2003 playoffs nonwithstanding, Beckett does not win big games.? When he's matched up against upper echelon pitchers, or we need wins, he rarely seems to come through.? In no way am I diminishing his 2003 performance, those games were obviously huge games, but he hasn't carried that over at all.? He's a good pitcher, not great.? I would much rather keep AJ than keep Beckett. 920226[/snapback] Even in the playoffs he choked twice, and that's without counting the big time disaster of game 1 of the NLCS. The opposing pitchers in the losses: Schmidt and Mussina. Of course, we all know the other things he did in the 03 postseason. 920699[/snapback] He choked twice? I don't think I would describe those two losses as choking. Losing 1-0 or 2-0 and then throwing 7+ innings of shutout ball only to have the bullpen blow it is NOT choking. Game 1 of the NLCS was a disaster in the first inning, but after that he did exceptionally well. Gave up like three earned runs in the last 30 innings or so that he pitched.
August 29, 200520 yr Oh, by the way, I think maybe Josh's problems have more to do with the fact that he is a partier even in comparison to other baseball players. I've heard from people that know him that he parties hard and often.
August 29, 200520 yr I tried to make this point about a month ago, but got trashed. The 2003 playoffs nonwithstanding, Beckett does not win big games.? When he's matched up against upper echelon pitchers, or we need wins, he rarely seems to come through.? In no way am I diminishing his 2003 performance, those games were obviously huge games, but he hasn't carried that over at all.? He's a good pitcher, not great.? I would much rather keep AJ than keep Beckett. 920226[/snapback] Even in the playoffs he choked twice, and that's without counting the big time disaster of game 1 of the NLCS. The opposing pitchers in the losses: Schmidt and Mussina. Of course, we all know the other things he did in the 03 postseason. 920699[/snapback] He choked twice? I don't think I would describe those two losses as choking. Losing 1-0 or 2-0 and then throwing 7+ innings of shutout ball only to have the bullpen blow it is NOT choking. Game 1 of the NLCS was a disaster in the first inning, but after that he did exceptionally well. Gave up like three earned runs in the last 30 innings or so that he pitched. 920704[/snapback] The only game that you can say that the bullpen blew it for him was the game against Mussina. He lost 2-0 to Schmidt. I say that he choked not because he got blown out, but because he was pitching against aces and he could not step it up and win. That said, the rest of his outings were, well, we all know what they were. And in the game against the cubs he settled down for a while after the first inning but then lost it again; alex gonzalez hit one out in the 5th and the cubs got the lead back.
August 29, 200520 yr For anybody to complain about Beckett is stupid. He had a bad outing against Milwaukee, and although he wasn't his best yesterday, he didn't throw all that badly. He had a few bad bounces and the defence didn't help him out. The guy is still far above average and we are lucky to have him as a #3 pitcher. Have you forgotten about the shutout against Peavy? Or his performance against SF? Or the other remarkable outings he has had? I haven't.
August 29, 200520 yr I tried to make this point about a month ago, but got trashed. The 2003 playoffs nonwithstanding, Beckett does not win big games.? When he's matched up against upper echelon pitchers, or we need wins, he rarely seems to come through.? In no way am I diminishing his 2003 performance, those games were obviously huge games, but he hasn't carried that over at all.? He's a good pitcher, not great.? I would much rather keep AJ than keep Beckett. 920226[/snapback] Even in the playoffs he choked twice, and that's without counting the big time disaster of game 1 of the NLCS. The opposing pitchers in the losses: Schmidt and Mussina. Of course, we all know the other things he did in the 03 postseason. 920699[/snapback] He choked twice? I don't think I would describe those two losses as choking. Losing 1-0 or 2-0 and then throwing 7+ innings of shutout ball only to have the bullpen blow it is NOT choking. Game 1 of the NLCS was a disaster in the first inning, but after that he did exceptionally well. Gave up like three earned runs in the last 30 innings or so that he pitched. 920704[/snapback] The only game that you can say that the bullpen blew it for him was the game against Mussina. He lost 2-0 to Schmidt. I say that he choked not because he got blown out, but because he was pitching against aces and he could not step it up and win. That said, the rest of his outings were, well, we all know what they were. And in the game against the cubs he settled down for a while after the first inning but then lost it again; alex gonzalez hit one out in the 5th and the cubs got the lead back. 920716[/snapback] Losing to Cy Young candidates 2-0 in their home ballpark is not choking.
August 29, 200520 yr I tried to make this point about a month ago, but got trashed. The 2003 playoffs nonwithstanding, Beckett does not win big games.? When he's matched up against upper echelon pitchers, or we need wins, he rarely seems to come through.? In no way am I diminishing his 2003 performance, those games were obviously huge games, but he hasn't carried that over at all.? He's a good pitcher, not great.? I would much rather keep AJ than keep Beckett. 920226[/snapback] Even in the playoffs he choked twice, and that's without counting the big time disaster of game 1 of the NLCS. The opposing pitchers in the losses: Schmidt and Mussina. Of course, we all know the other things he did in the 03 postseason. 920699[/snapback] He choked twice? I don't think I would describe those two losses as choking. Losing 1-0 or 2-0 and then throwing 7+ innings of shutout ball only to have the bullpen blow it is NOT choking. Game 1 of the NLCS was a disaster in the first inning, but after that he did exceptionally well. Gave up like three earned runs in the last 30 innings or so that he pitched. 920704[/snapback] The only game that you can say that the bullpen blew it for him was the game against Mussina. He lost 2-0 to Schmidt. I say that he choked not because he got blown out, but because he was pitching against aces and he could not step it up and win. That said, the rest of his outings were, well, we all know what they were. And in the game against the cubs he settled down for a while after the first inning but then lost it again; alex gonzalez hit one out in the 5th and the cubs got the lead back. 920716[/snapback] Losing to Cy Young candidates 2-0 in their home ballpark is not choking. 920723[/snapback] Well if he wants to be great, then he has to beat the Cy Young candidates in their ballpark (i.e. game 6 WS).
August 29, 200520 yr I tried to make this point about a month ago, but got trashed. The 2003 playoffs nonwithstanding, Beckett does not win big games.? When he's matched up against upper echelon pitchers, or we need wins, he rarely seems to come through.? In no way am I diminishing his 2003 performance, those games were obviously huge games, but he hasn't carried that over at all.? He's a good pitcher, not great.? I would much rather keep AJ than keep Beckett. 920226[/snapback] Even in the playoffs he choked twice, and that's without counting the big time disaster of game 1 of the NLCS. The opposing pitchers in the losses: Schmidt and Mussina. Of course, we all know the other things he did in the 03 postseason. 920699[/snapback] He choked twice? I don't think I would describe those two losses as choking. Losing 1-0 or 2-0 and then throwing 7+ innings of shutout ball only to have the bullpen blow it is NOT choking. Game 1 of the NLCS was a disaster in the first inning, but after that he did exceptionally well. Gave up like three earned runs in the last 30 innings or so that he pitched. 920704[/snapback] The only game that you can say that the bullpen blew it for him was the game against Mussina. He lost 2-0 to Schmidt. I say that he choked not because he got blown out, but because he was pitching against aces and he could not step it up and win. That said, the rest of his outings were, well, we all know what they were. And in the game against the cubs he settled down for a while after the first inning but then lost it again; alex gonzalez hit one out in the 5th and the cubs got the lead back. 920716[/snapback] Losing to Cy Young candidates 2-0 in their home ballpark is not choking. 920723[/snapback] Well if he wants to be great, then he has to beat the Cy Young candidates in their ballpark (i.e. game 6 WS). 920726[/snapback] And he did...
August 29, 200520 yr I tried to make this point about a month ago, but got trashed. The 2003 playoffs nonwithstanding, Beckett does not win big games.? When he's matched up against upper echelon pitchers, or we need wins, he rarely seems to come through.? In no way am I diminishing his 2003 performance, those games were obviously huge games, but he hasn't carried that over at all.? He's a good pitcher, not great.? I would much rather keep AJ than keep Beckett. 920226[/snapback] Even in the playoffs he choked twice, and that's without counting the big time disaster of game 1 of the NLCS. The opposing pitchers in the losses: Schmidt and Mussina. Of course, we all know the other things he did in the 03 postseason. 920699[/snapback] He choked twice? I don't think I would describe those two losses as choking. Losing 1-0 or 2-0 and then throwing 7+ innings of shutout ball only to have the bullpen blow it is NOT choking. Game 1 of the NLCS was a disaster in the first inning, but after that he did exceptionally well. Gave up like three earned runs in the last 30 innings or so that he pitched. 920704[/snapback] The only game that you can say that the bullpen blew it for him was the game against Mussina. He lost 2-0 to Schmidt. I say that he choked not because he got blown out, but because he was pitching against aces and he could not step it up and win. That said, the rest of his outings were, well, we all know what they were. And in the game against the cubs he settled down for a while after the first inning but then lost it again; alex gonzalez hit one out in the 5th and the cubs got the lead back. 920716[/snapback] Losing to Cy Young candidates 2-0 in their home ballpark is not choking. 920723[/snapback] Well if he wants to be great, then he has to beat the Cy Young candidates in their ballpark (i.e. game 6 WS). 920726[/snapback] And he did... 920739[/snapback] 1/2 LOL
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