September 15, 200520 yr 6 innings pitched, 3 runs. You can whine all you want, but we've had pitchers throw infinitely worse games this year. No? 946130[/snapback] It isn't the three runs he gave up, heck if the Astros had put together some back to back to doubles, or somebody went yard, so be it, you wouldn't hear a word from me. But to walk the eighth and ninth guys with the bases loaded is Low A stuff that a guy who thinks he's worth $12-15 million a year just shouldn't be doing. Clearly he lacks the focus and the fortitude to be considered a frontline ace kind of pitcher. He may think he is. His agent may tout him as such, but the fact is when it's time to walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk ("this is the biggest game of my career") he wasn't there. You call it whining, I think it it's reasonable criticism.
September 15, 200520 yr 6 innings pitched, 3 runs. You can whine all you want, but we've had pitchers throw infinitely worse games this year. No? 946130[/snapback] It isn't the three runs he gave up, heck if the Astros had put together some back to back to doubles, or somebody went yard, so be it, you wouldn't hear a word from me. But to walk the eighth and ninth guys with the bases loaded is Low A stuff that a guy who thinks he's worth $12-15 million a year just shouldn't be doing. Clearly he lacks the focus and the fortitude to be considered a frontline ace kind of pitcher. He may think he is. His agent may tout him as such, but the fact is when it's time to walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk ("this is the biggest game of my career") he wasn't there. You call it whining, I think it it's reasonable criticism. 946374[/snapback] Couldn't have said it better myself
September 15, 200520 yr Yeah AJ sucks. We would be so much better off with Moe and Ish on our staff, we should have traded him when we had the chance....... Get real. AJ wasn't on tonight, but he worked hard to give us 6 solid innings. If you guys are writing him off you may as well right off our playoff chances as well.
September 15, 200520 yr 6 innings pitched, 3 runs. You can whine all you want, but we've had pitchers throw infinitely worse games this year. No? 946130[/snapback] It isn't the three runs he gave up, heck if the Astros had put together some back to back to doubles, or somebody went yard, so be it, you wouldn't hear a word from me. But to walk the eighth and ninth guys with the bases loaded is Low A stuff that a guy who thinks he's worth $12-15 million a year just shouldn't be doing. Clearly he lacks the focus and the fortitude to be considered a frontline ace kind of pitcher. He may think he is. His agent may tout him as such, but the fact is when it's time to walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk ("this is the biggest game of my career") he wasn't there. You call it whining, I think it it's reasonable criticism. 946374[/snapback] :thumbup
September 15, 200520 yr Yeah AJ sucks. We would be so much better off with Moe and Ish on our staff, we should have traded him when we had the chance....... Get real. AJ wasn't on tonight, but he worked hard to give us 6 solid innings. If you guys are writing him off you may as well right off our playoff chances as well. 946388[/snapback] AJ hasn't been on in 5 starts now. I'll give him the credit that atleast he lasted longer than 3 innings this time, but for a guy that loves to run his mouth, he sure can't back it up on the field when it really matters.
September 15, 200520 yr Yeah AJ sucks.? We would be so much better off with Moe and Ish on our staff, we should have traded him when we had the chance....... Get real.? AJ wasn't on tonight, but he worked hard to give us 6 solid innings.? If you guys are writing him off you may as well right off our playoff chances as well. 946388[/snapback] You know hindsight if 50-50, but you are right. One of the reasons we didn't trade AJ is we thought he would deliver more wins than anybody else we could have picked up. AJ is now 4-5 since the trade deadline. We would have been better off trading AJ and dumping Lowell's salary (due $9M) next year as neither one of them are contributing to the playoff push right now.
September 15, 200520 yr Bottom Line...AJ can't handle "big games"...Dontrelle, Josh...you know what, let me stop the Marlins Homerism.... Carpenter, Clemens, Smoltz, Livan, Pedro...they get out of a bases loaded situation with the 8 and 9 hitters up...OR...at the very least...they DONT walk the next two hitters... Biggio's hit? Fine, I can accept that...BUT that inning should never have gotten to Biggio...why did it? AJ only pitches for AJ....does he care that he has the Astros' two worst hitters up? Does he care that behind him is, arguably, THE best defense in the league? NO...all he wants is to pitch for himself, to get himself two strikeouts... He's NOT a team player when it counts...
September 15, 200520 yr Bottom Line...AJ can't handle "big games"...Dontrelle, Josh...you know what, let me stop the Marlins Homerism.... Carpenter, Clemens, Smoltz, Livan, Pedro...they get out of a bases loaded situation with the 8 and 9 hitters up...OR...at the very least...they DONT walk the next two hitters... Biggio's hit? Fine, I can accept that...BUT that inning should never have gotten to Biggio...why did it? AJ only pitches for AJ....does he care that he has the Astros' two worst hitters up? Does he care that behind him is, arguably, THE best defense in the league? NO...all he wants is to pitch for himself, to get himself two strikeouts... He's NOT a team player when it counts... 946434[/snapback] I think you are dead on
September 15, 200520 yr Yeah AJ sucks.? We would be so much better off with Moe and Ish on our staff, we should have traded him when we had the chance....... Get real.? AJ wasn't on tonight, but he worked hard to give us 6 solid innings.? If you guys are writing him off you may as well right off our playoff chances as well. 946388[/snapback] You know hindsight if 50-50, but you are right. One of the reasons we didn't trade AJ is we thought he would deliver more wins than anybody else we could have picked up. AJ is now 4-5 since the trade deadline. We would have been better off trading AJ and dumping Lowell's salary (due $9M) next year as neither one of them are contributing to the playoff push right now. 946431[/snapback] Well, my understanding is we wouldn't have gotten complete salary relief from Lowell, so you can't fault that, but if someone were willing to take Lowell completely, yeah, we dropped the ball. Either way, the Orioles offer probably wasn't all that much better than offering arbitration and getting the two picks...or (dare I say it?) getting AJ at Kris Benson money.
September 15, 200520 yr you blow AJ...go away next year you choke artist. You are just a .500 pitcher.
September 15, 200520 yr ^ thank you... another point to add...is it cause AJ walks on that mound and says "I'm gonna throw what I want and I don't care if this team loses"? Nope...he's just STUBBORN...I work at an elementary school...I see it way too much...AJ just doesn't LISTEN... I know Rich and Tommy say it every time he goes out...he needs to learn how to pitch...Lo Duca knows it, Mark Wiley knows it, Jack knows it....but AJ couldn't care less...stubborn, stubborn, stubborn ...you'd think that after pitching against Clemens twice this year, AJ might look across the mound and see a pitcher who knows how to pitch and possibly use it himself...but nah...I'm sure AJ goes to the dugout and watches video of his own fastball over and over... sorry: I keep ranting but points keep popping up... Is it just me or, in contrast to AJ, hasn't Josh proven himself this year? Josh has amazing stuff BUT he CAN pitch...If he keeps his injuries under control, he can be a big star, because he's smart enough to do so...AJ can't, because he's stubborn...
September 15, 200520 yr same old story with AJ....all the potential in the world, and then he goes and has innings like the 2nd inning tonight. unreal.
September 15, 200520 yr RABBLE! RABBLE! RABBLE! That Goodie A.J. is in league with LUCIFER! I SAW HIM DRINKING BLOOD AND DANCING WITH HAITIAN SERVANTS! Kick that freaking chair out from under his feet and let him hang!!! YES HIS NECK DIDN'T BREAK OHHHH YEAAAAAAHHHH!!!!! RABBLE! RABBLE! RABBLE!
September 15, 200520 yr Yeah AJ sucks. We would be so much better off with Moe and Ish on our staff, we should have traded him when we had the chance....... Get real. AJ wasn't on tonight, but he worked hard to give us 6 solid innings. If you guys are writing him off you may as well right off our playoff chances as well. 946388[/snapback] You know hindsight if 50-50, but you are right. One of the reasons we didn't trade AJ is we thought he would deliver more wins than anybody else we could have picked up. AJ is now 4-5 since the trade deadline. We would have been better off trading AJ and dumping Lowell's salary (due $9M) next year as neither one of them are contributing to the playoff push right now. 946431[/snapback] Yeah but I that trade might have been perceived by the players as giving up on the season.
September 15, 200520 yr Come on guys. When some of us said he needed to be traded where were all of you? So many wishers and so few thinkers. This one was easy to see coming. Since trade deadline.. 4 Wins 5 Losses 3.86 ERA AJ has never won a big game in his career. He is our version of Kevin Millwood. AJ is a solid # 3 pitcher who should make between $5-$6M per season. He is not an ace. He is not a prospect who's better days are ahead of him. It's time boys....it's time to stop being an AJ apologist. It's the pens fault? An ace WINS games be it 7-6 or 1-0 and of late AJ is on the wrong side of all decisions. 6 innings, 3 runs is not solid when a player calls it the biggest game of his career. When the going got tough AJ was not willing to challenge the # 8 hitter and Roger Clemens. So for those of you that said we'd be nuts to trade AJ....that we need to play for this year and not the next five...don't be jumping on AJ now. You wanted him. You got him. Next time think with your head and not your heart and all will turn out well.
September 15, 200520 yr You know, if he had thrown a perfect game, you wouldn't have started a thread congratulating him. We know you hate the guy, so why don't you spare us your disgustingly spoken propaganda? We don't want to hear it and we're all quite frankly angry enough about the game as it is, for you to have to further this with your holier than thou "told you so omg im gonna go do my cat in the butt" is disgusting and I hope a meteor falls on your left big toe. 945887[/snapback] Juanky, are you related to Dan Lebatard??
September 15, 200520 yr disgustingly spoken propaganda while i understand your feeling thats taking it a bit overboard. trust me im not hating AJ even more this morning b/c of this thread. :lol
September 15, 200520 yr Author the only thing that would ever fix aj is a phyciatrist cuz he is a head case, and leo mazzoni.... that is the only way aj would ever become really scary. but i dont care if this does happen and he goes on to win 300 game and 8 consecutive cy youngs ... i dont ever want him back. id rather have a really bad pitcher who gives everything he has and whoi shows some heart instead of ajs lifeless apathetic attitufde
September 15, 200520 yr I would support AJ more if he didn't talk crap about the fans and organization and showed a little bit more guts/passion out there. His attitude makes it easy for a lot of us to complain about his performance.
September 15, 200520 yr Boy it was just 2 weeks ago that this board was abuzz with the thought of ways we could keep AJ. How things change. . I think to have a real opinion you have to be able to separate your feelings about his personality and his pitching. . .As far as I'm concerned, on his mental makeup...it stinks. Always has. Maybe he'll grow up one day, but it won't be this year, and that's all I really care about. I really don't care about what he says anyway as long as he pitches well. He comes across as a spoiled brat(ala Beckett), but his comments about the lack of fan support are really the hard truth. It would just be smarter if he didn't say anything. As far as his mental makeup affects his pitching, that's a problem. I don't think he'll outgrow it this year, but as a fan one can only hope that he'll get by on his raw talent for the few games he has left as a Marlin. . . On his pitching. I'm dissapointed. Since the trade talk he has showed equal signs of brilliance and crap. That's not good enough. The team needs more brilliance and less crap. Since I posted a couple of weeks ago that I felt the key to the rest of the season was the performance of Beckett and Burnett.....Beckett has come through. Burnett has fallen flat. . . On the future, if you're a Marlin fan you have no choice but to root for the guy. The team needs him to come through with 3 quality starts the rest of the season....and hopefully more quality starts in the playoffs. I still think that from this point going forward we're better off this year with Burnett than somebody else's #3. We're not going to make the playoffs....and we're certainly not going to go far in the playoffs, unless we see the brilliant AJ, and not the crappy AJ. Somebody else's #3 would not win us the World Series this year. A brilliant AJ from here on in will. You have no choice but to root for him the rest of the year. Save your hate for next year. I'll be with you THEN.
September 15, 200520 yr That Goodie A.J. is in league with LUCIFER! I SAW HIM DRINKING BLOOD AND DANCING WITH HAITIAN SERVANTS! Kick that freaking chair out from under his feet and let him hang!!! YES HIS NECK DIDN'T BREAK OHHHH YEAAAAAAHHHH!!!!! 946576[/snapback] :lol
September 15, 200520 yr RABBLE! RABBLE! RABBLE! That Goodie A.J. is in league with LUCIFER! I SAW HIM DRINKING BLOOD AND DANCING WITH HAITIAN SERVANTS! Kick that freaking chair out from under his feet and let him hang!!! YES HIS NECK DIDN'T BREAK OHHHH YEAAAAAAHHHH!!!!! RABBLE! RABBLE! RABBLE! 946576[/snapback] :lol :lol :lol
September 15, 200520 yr I am still very glad that we kept him. He is just struggling right now. This is not the end of his career. I hope we do re-sign him for cheaper than expected and then he pitches lights out next season. I think many of us are setting our expectations of our pitchers way too high. We can't have our entire starting rotation filled with Cy Youngs. He settled down nicely yesterday after giving up three runs... and it is not like we would have won that game had he given up no runs.
September 15, 200520 yr I am still very glad that we kept him. He is just struggling right now. This is not the end of his career. I hope we do re-sign him for cheaper than expected and then he pitches lights out next season. I think many of us are setting our expectations of our pitchers way too high. We can't have our entire starting rotation filled with Cy Youngs. He settled down nicely yesterday after giving up three runs... and it is not like we would have won that game had he given up no runs. 947160[/snapback] I disagree totally. He wants to be paid as an ace. An ace is a pitcher that contends for the Cy Young. AJ is a # 3 pitcher that deserves a salary of about $5M per season...I'd agree to that. AJ wants $10M+
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