Ramp Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 That's what Alfredo Amezaga is doing in the leadoff spot. That's absolutely fine. And although some may vehemently disagree (and I could care less) he has become more than adequate in CF as well. His improvement from year to year has been awesome. Offense isn't our problem even though some say it is. It's our starting pitching (yes I realize tonight it wasnt). We are 2nd in runs scored, last in runs allowed. Pretty simple math right there. Now this isn't to say I would be against trading for a Dukes, Adam Jones, Carlos Gomez, Lastings Milledge, whatever.... Just sayin he ain't as bad as some of you make him out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louiecastillo1 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Fredo's done a very good job in centerfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I am also more concerned (well, upset) about our pitching - thankfully, hope remains, as pretty much anyone with any knowledge about the team knows that we are not performing pitching wise close to our potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 MEZEGA!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Offense isn't our problem even though some say it is. It's our starting pitching (yes I realize tonight it wasnt). We are 2nd in runs scored, last in runs allowed. Pretty simple math right there. I am more concerned about our overall team defense, even more than our pitching. None of our pitchers are big K guys, most pitch to contact and need an above average defense behind them. All of our defenders are average to below average. I will say though that Hanley and Cabs both can be above average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 To keep starting Amezaga, a born infielder, in center field game after game no matter how adequate he is while players like Dukes are available is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy42Jack0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 gotta love our pasta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geemoney Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Agree 100% Ramp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinivedivichi Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 And although some may vehemently disagree (and I could care less) That's the true spirit of a message board... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted June 27, 2007 Author Share Posted June 27, 2007 Ramp may not want to hear this, but it also doesn't help that Josh Willingham is hitting .224 in June. No doubt. He has been terrible this month, and his lack of hitting vs lefties is alarming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelmsE Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I agree with the your post Ramp. Amezaga has done a fine job in the lead off spot although I would not be opposed to picking up a better CF through trades. Despite what we all want to see, the team is still young and inconsistent but should only improve as the season continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirspud Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I'm always glad when you post stuff like this Ramp because too many people are ignoring Amezaga's good production in the leadoff spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Ramp may not want to hear this, but it also doesn't help that Josh Willingham is hitting .224 in June. No doubt. He has been terrible this month, and his lack of hitting vs lefties is alarming Finally some logical kudos to The Amazing. And Hammer has been looking at that 3rd strike far too much all season. Worst out in baseball, IMO. But maybe I just notice it more with him because I don't get all starry-eyed over him as an all around player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 To keep starting Amezaga, a born infielder, in center field game after game no matter how adequate he is while players like Dukes are available is ridiculous. What is this great love affair with Dukes? Is it his .190 BA? His 2 out of 6 SBs? His 44 Ks to 33 walks? His .318 OBP? Or do people just like baseball players with police records? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirspud Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Ramp may not want to hear this, but it also doesn't help that Josh Willingham is hitting .224 in June. No doubt. He has been terrible this month, and his lack of hitting vs lefties is alarming Finally some logical kudos to The Amazing. And Hammer has been looking at that 3rd strike far too much all season. Worst out in baseball, IMO. But maybe I just notice it more with him because I don't get all starry-eyed over him as an all around player. Josh is a fine player. He's not the best LFer in the league or anything but he is a productive hitter. So he is having a rough month, it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefWillingham Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 To keep starting Amezaga, a born infielder, in center field game after game no matter how adequate he is while players like Dukes are available is ridiculous. What is this great love affair with Dukes? Is it his .190 BA? His 2 out of 6 SBs? His 44 Ks to 33 walks? His .318 OBP? Or do people just like baseball players with police records? No. It is the talent that people know he has and his potential to be a great ballplayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman81 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Meh, he's still a clown in centerfield. Trade for Gathright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCFMarlinFan Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 And although some may vehemently disagree (and I could care less) That's the true spirit of a message board... pet peeve.... you could NOT care less. but, i agree that fredo's been good and has even made some nice defensive plays in center... hes also got a good arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fauowls44 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Amezaga is still best suited for what he was originally brought here to be, a utility player with good speed who can fill in at a bunch of positions. On a really good team, he'd be great to have. I just don't want him getting 400+ Ab's a year. The Marlins FO seems to know this, thus the trade attempt for Jones, but to keep putting him out there day in and day out is not really all that helpful to the ballclub. Granted, he's not hurting them all that much (the pitching is doing that mostly), but getting an actual Major League caliber starting OF who can give you something offensively would make a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backin2008 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Amezaga is still best suited for what he was originally brought here to be, a utility player with good speed who can fill in at a bunch of positions. On a really good team, he'd be great to have. I just don't want him getting 400+ Ab's a year. The Marlins FO seems to know this, thus the trade attempt for Jones, but to keep putting him out there day in and day out is not really all that helpful to the ballclub. Granted, he's not hurting them all that much (the pitching is doing that mostly), but getting an actual Major League caliber starting OF who can give you something offensively would make a huge difference. You are right on FAU. He's a bench player that gets exposed for his weaknesses the more he plays. I can't believe all the love for him as a player when this is all he has done as a major leaguer: Alfredo Amezaga OF Bats: S Throws: R Born: 01/16/1978 Go to Player Bio >> CAREER STATS | SPLITS | GAME BY GAME LOG | HITTING CHART | POSTSEASON & ALL-STAR Hitting Stats: Next Stats >> SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG 2002 Anaheim Angels 12 13 3 7 2 0 0 2 9 0 1 1 0 .538 .692 .538 2003 Anaheim Angels 37 105 15 22 3 2 2 7 35 9 23 2 2 .278 .333 .210 2004 Anaheim Angels 73 93 12 15 2 0 2 11 23 3 24 3 2 .212 .247 .161 2005 Colorado Rockies 2 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 .333 .333 .333 2005 Pittsburgh Pirates 3 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 .250 .000 .000 2006 Florida Marlins 132 334 42 87 9 3 3 19 111 33 46 20 12 .332 .332 .260 2007 Florida Marlins 66 220 24 56 7 4 1 18 74 18 26 8 3 .307 .336 .255 Career Totals 325 771 98 188 23 9 8 57 253 64 120 35 19 .306 .328 .244 Fielding Stats: SEASON TEAM POS G GS INN TC PO A E DP PB SB CS RF FPCT 2002 Anaheim Angels SS 5 3 34.0 18 7 11 0 1 --- --- --- 4.76 1.000 2003 Anaheim Angels 3B 13 11 94.1 34 12 20 2 1 --- --- --- 3.05 .941 2003 Anaheim Angels SS 24 21 193.0 99 39 57 3 11 --- --- --- 4.48 .970 2004 Anaheim Angels 2B 16 6 58.1 25 7 17 1 2 --- --- --- 3.70 .960 2004 Anaheim Angels 3B 26 2 59.2 13 3 9 1 3 --- --- --- 1.81 .923 2004 Anaheim Angels SS 32 14 167.0 97 38 58 1 5 --- --- --- 5.17 .990 2005 Colorado Rockies 3B 1 0 3.0 0 0 0 0 0 --- --- --- 0.00 .000 2005 Pittsburgh Pirates SS 1 0 4.0 3 1 2 0 1 --- --- --- 6.75 1.000 2006 Florida Marlins 1B 2 0 2.0 4 4 0 0 0 --- --- --- 18.00 1.000 2006 Florida Marlins 2B 23 12 127.0 76 33 41 2 15 --- --- --- 5.24 .974 2006 Florida Marlins 3B 4 0 5.0 1 1 0 0 0 --- --- --- 1.80 1.000 2006 Florida Marlins SS 11 4 54.1 26 5 21 0 5 --- --- --- 4.31 1.000 2006 Florida Marlins OF 78 66 566.1 172 166 2 4 0 --- --- --- 2.67 .977 2007 Florida Marlins 2B 3 1 11.0 10 3 7 0 2 --- --- --- 8.18 1.000 2007 Florida Marlins 3B 2 2 16.2 5 3 2 0 0 --- --- --- 2.70 1.000 2007 Florida Marlins SS 9 5 57.1 29 10 19 0 2 --- --- --- 4.55 1.000 2007 Florida Marlins OF 49 41 379.1 140 133 5 2 1 --- --- --- 3.27 .986 Career Totals 299 188 1832.1 752 465 271 16 49 --- --- --- 3.62 .979 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 "How much love he gets" LOL Hes a flippin SS playing CF and doing a fine job.. what more do you want from him? God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 not a fan of him out there but what does it matter? This team will most likely not get a new CF out there for a while still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollostar Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 To keep starting Amezaga, a born infielder, in center field game after game no matter how adequate he is while players like Dukes are available is ridiculous. What is this great love affair with Dukes? Is it his .190 BA? His 2 out of 6 SBs? His 44 Ks to 33 walks? His .318 OBP? Or do people just like baseball players with police records? For a batter to have 44Ks to 33BBs at his age (or any age for that matter) is outstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I still think he's a tremendous bench option but a terrible starting option. Eventually, there's going to be an ugly ass regression to his season averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlin2266 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 AA is lost at the plate as a RHB. He is fine defensively. I'd like to see what he would do as a LHB all the time. Sometimes teams/mamagers fall in love with switch-hitters and don't ever want to abandon the flexibility, but......... Play him against a few LHP and try it out - what is there to lose (until Ross returns)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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