Teal Shadow 2007 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 LA Dodgers R.Martin for Uggla /Olsen....thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo McDonald Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 no. Olsen alone could net Max Ramirez, while Uggla alone could bring back an excellent package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Marlins25 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 is this rumor or opinion? I'm guessing it's the latter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 You're talking about a below average defensive catcher (with a really good bat) for... oh nevermind it can't be true.  I am not putting down Martin because overall he's a guy an awful lot of teams would want *and conceivably the Marlins* , but let's face it defense is not his strong suit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I'm writing the same post twice, but here goes: .....Not according to Keith Law via Net Colletti. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/russell-martin.html GM's are certainly capable of playing games, but I trust Keith Law more than Sedano. Also, if we can get Ramirez from Texas for Olsen+?, then why in the heck would we want to make that deal? Baker/Ramirez is just filthy. Those guys together would have a good chance of matching (and dare I say, possibly outperforming?) Martin's .806 career OPS. Oh yeah, and we get to keep Uggla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinatPenn Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Sounds like a lot for Martin. Is catching that highly-valued?? Throw in Hong-Chih Kuo and I'll start to think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Baker + Uggla >>>>> Martin + Coughlan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee Ball Bunt Machine Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 No. I wouldn't even give up Uggla alone to get Martin. Uggla is a top 3 MLB 2B and Martin isn't even top 5 among catchers. The only reason to go after Martin would have to be offense, but even then, Baker was better at the plate in his limited time this season (Baker's 839 OPS vs Martin's 781). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Hate it. You only trade Uggla for a top SP prospect package (like Bumgarner). Get Max for Olsen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 No. I wouldn't even give up Uggla alone to get Martin. Uggla is a top 3 MLB 2B and Martin isn't even top 5 among catchers. The only reason to go after Martin would have to be offense, but even then, Baker was better at the plate in his limited time this season (Baker's 839 OPS vs Martin's 781). Not saying I'd do this deal, but I'd put Martin in the top catchers in baseball. Mostly though because of the lack of quality catchers right now. Who are the five better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I agree if Russ Martin is not one of the top catchers in MLB, then he must have been taking someone's spot on the all star game the last few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 No. I wouldn't even give up Uggla alone to get Martin. Uggla is a top 3 MLB 2B and Martin isn't even top 5 among catchers. The only reason to go after Martin would have to be offense, but even then, Baker was better at the plate in his limited time this season (Baker's 839 OPS vs Martin's 781). Not saying I'd do this deal, but I'd put Martin in the top catchers in baseball. Mostly though because of the lack of quality catchers right now. Who are the five better? I agree that theres no way there is 5 catchers better than Martin. I know its based for fantasy purposes but CBS ranks him as the #2 catcher going into 2009, with Brian McCann as #1, and Geovany Soto, Joe Mauer and Victor Martinez rounding off the top 5. Meanwhile, I disagree with the statement of Uggla being a top 3 2B. I rate him about 5th with Utley, Kinsler, Pedroia and Roberts ahead of him, tho he is just about ahead of Roberts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 No. I wouldn't even give up Uggla alone to get Martin. Uggla is a top 3 MLB 2B and Martin isn't even top 5 among catchers. The only reason to go after Martin would have to be offense, but even then, Baker was better at the plate in his limited time this season (Baker's 839 OPS vs Martin's 781). Not saying I'd do this deal, but I'd put Martin in the top catchers in baseball. Mostly though because of the lack of quality catchers right now. Who are the five better? I agree that theres no way there is 5 catchers better than Martin. I know its based for fantasy purposes but CBS ranks him as the #2 catcher going into 2009, with Brian McCann as #1, and Geovany Soto, Joe Mauer and Victor Martinez rounding off the top 5. Meanwhile, I disagree with the statement of Uggla being a top 3 2B. I rate him about 5th with Utley, Kinsler, Pedroia and Roberts ahead of him, tho he is just about ahead of Roberts. Huh? Kinsler is really debatable, IMO. He's not a great fielder, either, and the hitting numbers are also close. A big part of Kinsler's OPS mini-spike was fueled by a big jump in BA, but with a BABIP of .339, his numbers should regress (relative to his actual talent/skills at that time), whereas Uggla's was lower at .323. For the record, what's the league avg number for BABIP on pitchers and hitters, AL/NL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 No. I wouldn't even give up Uggla alone to get Martin. Uggla is a top 3 MLB 2B and Martin isn't even top 5 among catchers. The only reason to go after Martin would have to be offense, but even then, Baker was better at the plate in his limited time this season (Baker's 839 OPS vs Martin's 781). Not saying I'd do this deal, but I'd put Martin in the top catchers in baseball. Mostly though because of the lack of quality catchers right now. Who are the five better? I agree that theres no way there is 5 catchers better than Martin. I know its based for fantasy purposes but CBS ranks him as the #2 catcher going into 2009, with Brian McCann as #1, and Geovany Soto, Joe Mauer and Victor Martinez rounding off the top 5. Meanwhile, I disagree with the statement of Uggla being a top 3 2B. I rate him about 5th with Utley, Kinsler, Pedroia and Roberts ahead of him, tho he is just about ahead of Roberts. Huh? Kinsler is really debatable, IMO. He's not a great fielder, either, and the hitting numbers are also close. A big part of Kinsler's OPS mini-spike was fueled by a big jump in BA, but with a BABIP of .339, his numbers should regress (relative to his actual talent/skills at that time), whereas Uggla's was lower at .323. For the record, what's the league avg number for BABIP on pitchers and hitters, AL/NL? Lol I made a mess of that last line - basically I guess it suggests that Roberts and Uggla are about equal. Or another view could be that Roberts is the more established, however with 1 more good season from Uggla he would leapfrog him in the rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Also, if we can get Ramirez from Texas for Olsen+?, then why in the heck would we want to make that deal? Baker/Ramirez is just filthy. Those guys together would have a good chance of matching (and dare I say, possibly outperforming?) Martin's .806 career OPS. Oh yeah, and we get to keep Uggla. what he said.   Also isn't Russell already arby-eligible? His salary is going to explode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everlong204 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Also, if we can get Ramirez from Texas for Olsen+?, then why in the heck would we want to make that deal? Baker/Ramirez is just filthy. Those guys together would have a good chance of matching (and dare I say, possibly outperforming?) Martin's .806 career OPS. Oh yeah, and we get to keep Uggla. what he said.   Also isn't Russell already arby-eligible? His salary is going to explode.  exactly...his salary will not help the marlins. I agree with article comment as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Dynasty Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Get Ramirez for Olsen. No need to trade Uggla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I may be completely off base but if the Marlins "push to the playoffs in 2009" is the modus operandi, then I would think that if they acquire a catcher it's going to be a guy who can help them in 2009, and I don't mean some end of his career guy like Ramon Hernandez from the Orioles. So I kind of doubt they trade Olsen for Ramirez unless there is someone else in the pipeline (another trade) to split time with Baker this upcoming season. And perhaps it's too outlandish to think about Laird and Ramirez for Olsen and Gregg and perhaps fillintheblank, but if payroll flexibility is part of the decision-making, the team would save more than $3 million (+3.5 - 3 - 4) if something along those lines came to fruition. Maybe Treanor recovers and can contribute by spring training alongside Baker, I like them as a tandem (and yes I know it's not very popular here), and who knows perhaps a healthy Mike Rabelo brings more to the table than we saw last season, so a Ramirez/Olsen trade makes some sense then but I'm not sure the former is ready for prime time in 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Kinsler is really debatable, IMO. He's not a great fielder, either, and the hitting numbers are also close. A big part of Kinsler's OPS mini-spike was fueled by a big jump in BA, but with a BABIP of .339, his numbers should regress (relative to his actual talent/skills at that time), whereas Uggla's was lower at .323. For the record, what's the league avg number for BABIP on pitchers and hitters, AL/NL? About .300 ... but good hitters can have higher BABIPs... whereas pitchers, who don't control what happens when they let go of the ball, if it's above .300 are usually UNlucky and below is the oppositie ... /themoreyouknow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I may be completely off base but if the Marlins "push to the playoffs in 2009" is the modus operandi, then I would think that if they acquire a catcher it's going to be a guy who can help them in 2009, and I don't mean some end of his career guy like Ramon Hernandez from the Orioles. So I kind of doubt they trade Olsen for Ramirez unless there is someone else in the pipeline (another trade) to split time with Baker this upcoming season. And perhaps it's too outlandish to think about Laird and Ramirez for Olsen and Gregg and perhaps fillintheblank, but if payroll flexibility is part of the decision-making, the team would save more than $3 million (+3.5 - 3 - 4) if something along those lines came to fruition. Maybe Treanor recovers and can contribute by spring training alongside Baker, I like them as a tandem (and yes I know it's not very popular here), and who knows perhaps a healthy Mike Rabelo brings more to the table than we saw last season, so a Ramirez/Olsen trade makes some sense then but I'm not sure the former is ready for prime time in 2009.  Max Ramirez is ready for the major leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Daulton Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 a few people have weighed in on this issue so far in the thread, but I think it deserves more attention:Â do we really think we will be able to get Ramirez for Olsen straight up? I believe if this deal were going to happen it already would have. The Rangers want another piece. Who's it gonna be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 a few people have weighed in on this issue so far in the thread, but I think it deserves more attention: do we really think we will be able to get Ramirez for Olsen straight up? I believe if this deal were going to happen it already would have. The Rangers want another piece. Who's it gonna be? Their bullpen isn't very good. Maybe they'd take Gregg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo McDonald Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 The Rangers won't want another major piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Daulton Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 also, did you know his full given name is Maximiliano? thats pretty awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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