Posted September 24, 200915 yr Fish tank: Looks as if the Marlins are leaning toward keeping Chris Coghlan in left field rather than moving him back to his original position at second base. But that doesn't necessarily mean that Dan Uggla gets to stick around. Our best guess is that the Marlins can only afford to keep one player from their arbitration-eligible trio of Uggla, Cody Ross and Jorge Cantu. And if Uggla wants to parlay all his arbitration leverage into an $8 million deal, it probably won't be him. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings090924 I call BS on this. Uggla I'm pretty sure we'll cut loose, but I don't think we'll get rid of both Cantu AND Ross. We can afford to keep both.
September 24, 200915 yr If that's the case (which I think is BS also), then I think we're better off keeping Cody Ross.
September 24, 200915 yr Agree totally - we can and most likely will keep both Cantu and Ross. Earlier in the season I wasn't too bothered at the prospect of us trading Uggla this Winter, however in recent weeks as he has got a bit more consistency in his bat, I am starting to wish there was some way we could keep him. I started watching baseball in 2006, just when Uggla began playing for us, so for me it will just seem weird if he leaves, even more so than when we traded Miggy as I have witnessed 4 seasons of Uggla compared to just 2 for Cabrera.
September 24, 200915 yr I just want to keep Uggla because I fear the lack of power and I have no idea who will replace him.... also, imagine the lack of power if we give up both Uggla and Cantu (although Cantu's power numbers have been down this year).
September 24, 200915 yr I just want to keep Uggla because I fear the lack of power and I have no idea who will replace him.... also, imagine the lack of power if we give up both Uggla and Cantu (although Cantu's power numbers have been down this year). It would be worse if we got rid of Uggla and Cody.
September 24, 200915 yr I just want to keep Uggla because I fear the lack of power and I have no idea who will replace him.... also, imagine the lack of power if we give up both Uggla and Cantu (although Cantu's power numbers have been down this year). It would be worse if we got rid of Uggla and Cody. No, I agree with you. I didn't mean to insinuate that Cantu's power is greater than Cody's (if that is the message I unintentionally conveyed). I was referring to the idea of getting rid of two of those three and I listed Uggla and Cantu because I believe they will be more likely to depart unlike Cody. Either way, the loss of power from this team is my main concern.
September 24, 200915 yr Fish tank: Looks as if the Marlins are leaning toward keeping Chris Coghlan in left field rather than moving him back to his original position at second base. But that doesn't necessarily mean that Dan Uggla gets to stick around. Our best guess is that the Marlins can only afford to keep one player from their arbitration-eligible trio of Uggla, Cody Ross and Jorge Cantu. And if Uggla wants to parlay all his arbitration leverage into an $8 million deal, it probably won't be him. http://sports.espn.g...rumblings090924 I call BS on this. Uggla I'm pretty sure we'll cut loose, but I don't think we'll get rid of both Cantu AND Ross. We can afford to keep both. That's dumb but they will probably do it just so Bonifacio can have a spot.
September 24, 200915 yr as much as i like him i think uggla is the one who goes but i definitely think we need to and will keep at least two of them.....probably cantu and ross. a couple of hits here or there and your looking at two 100 rbi guys which we cannot afford to let go especialy not knowing what maybin will do nor logan morrison is he replaces johnson.
September 24, 200915 yr Cantu should be the one to go. Ross and Uggla are superior players. Uggla can be bought out, he wants to be bought out, and the team is not going to be able to replace his value with anything currently in our system. Cantu can be replaced right away.
September 24, 200915 yr Cantu should be the one to go. Ross and Uggla are superior players. Uggla can be bought out, he wants to be bought out, and the team is not going to be able to replace his value with anything currently in our system. Cantu can be replaced right away. who would replace him?
September 24, 200915 yr Cantu should be the one to go. Ross and Uggla are superior players. Uggla can be bought out, he wants to be bought out, and the team is not going to be able to replace his value with anything currently in our system. Cantu can be replaced right away. who would replace him? Ideally: Logan Morrison, after him there are about a half-dozen ways to figure out 1B.
September 24, 200915 yr I think if the FO is serious about competing next year, they package Uggla and Hermida for starting pitching and pony up some greenbacks to both Ross and Cantu. Ross offers great outfield defense, while Cantu offers infield versatility. What do you think about retaining Nick Johnson at 1B, and running with a Cantu/Bonifacio platoon at 2B, with a Cantu/Helms platoon at 3B? That leaves us with an outfield of Coghlan, Maybin, Ross, Carroll, and whichever other minor leaguers you want to throw into the mix. I was reading an article yesterday about the top ten players who are at a make it or break it point in their careers. Hermida was like #4 on the list. The Twins had both Francisco Liriano and Delmon Young on the list. Do you think the Twins are ready to sell low on either of them? The Twins need a 2B, and could use some insurance in the outfield if Young doesn't start playing up to his potential.
September 24, 200915 yr Yeah, I think Stark has this wrong. It's more like we either keep Uggla, or Cantu and Ross. But one of those two groups has to go. At this point it's pretty clear that Uggla will be the one to go, since we can just slide Coghlan into 2nd base there.
September 24, 200915 yr I think if the FO is serious about competing next year, they package Uggla and Hermida for starting pitching and pony up some greenbacks to both Ross and Cantu. Ross offers great outfield defense, while Cantu offers infield versatility. What do you think about retaining Nick Johnson at 1B, and running with a Cantu/Bonifacio platoon at 2B, with a Cantu/Helms platoon at 3B? That leaves us with an outfield of Coghlan, Maybin, Ross, Carroll, and whichever other minor leaguers you want to throw into the mix. I was reading an article yesterday about the top ten players who are at a make it or break it point in their careers. Hermida was like #4 on the list. The Twins had both Francisco Liriano and Delmon Young on the list. Do you think the Twins are ready to sell low on either of them? The Twins need a 2B, and could use some insurance in the outfield if Young doesn't start playing up to his potential. I think you're misunderstanding the whole point of a platoon.
September 25, 200915 yr Yeah, I think Stark has this wrong. It's more like we either keep Uggla, or Cantu and Ross. But one of those two groups has to go. At this point it's pretty clear that Uggla will be the one to go, since we can just slide Coghlan into 2nd base there. First, he has to show he can play second base before you "slide" him into the position. He has played over 958 innings at the major league level so far this season, and seven (7), count them 7 were at second base (all in one game) and zero at third. You would think if the Marlins thought he had any kind of future at either they would have taken a good look at him at one or the other but that has not been the case. The guy is terrific with a bat and I'm sure he can field either infield position, the question is can he do it adequately and is he the guy you want as a double play partner with Hanley? Maybe he spends the winter polishing up his infield skills with some guru and shows us something in spring training, I think that would be great, but if you think he's a major league ready second baseman he isn't, not today anyways. Ross is the most expendable in my mind although I don't buy Stark's premise, at least not yet. As soon as things calm down the manager, coaches and front office, along with coordinators from the minor leagues and scouts from both levels will start a series of meetings to plot a course and a strategy for 2010. Until they have a better handle on what they expect the team to look like and on payroll all this talk by the media or here at MB.com is just plain premature. So many things can happen no guess is an educated guess. We could see new coaches, or one of Beinfest's quickie post-World Series trades/signings that completely turns the team upside down. Maybe I'm being overly cautious but already it seems in these threads people are staking out positions when there is zero indication what Beinfest and company have in store for next season. I guess it kills time but in the end I don't think it accomplishes much.
September 25, 200915 yr I think if the FO is serious about competing next year, they package Uggla and Hermida for starting pitching and pony up some greenbacks to both Ross and Cantu. Ross offers great outfield defense, while Cantu offers infield versatility. What do you think about retaining Nick Johnson at 1B, and running with a Cantu/Bonifacio platoon at 2B, with a Cantu/Helms platoon at 3B? That leaves us with an outfield of Coghlan, Maybin, Ross, Carroll, and whichever other minor leaguers you want to throw into the mix. I was reading an article yesterday about the top ten players who are at a make it or break it point in their careers. Hermida was like #4 on the list. The Twins had both Francisco Liriano and Delmon Young on the list. Do you think the Twins are ready to sell low on either of them? The Twins need a 2B, and could use some insurance in the outfield if Young doesn't start playing up to his potential. I think you're misunderstanding the whole point of a platoon. via thefreedictionary.com: platoon: 1. To use alternate players at the same position.2. To take turns playing a position with another player. I could edit my post to say "split time" instead of "platoon" if that would help you sleep better. My main point is to make sure Cantu is in the lineup every day. In my scenario, Cantu would get the bulk of his playing time at the position of whomever is playing worse between Helms and Bonifacio. They would be "platooning" moreso because of lack of middle infield options coupled with Cantu's versatility. Not necessarily because they excel against different types of pitchers.
September 25, 200915 yr Author Any chance of getting Pujols? Sure, if we trade Hanley, JJ, Morrison and Stanton.
September 25, 200915 yr whatever happen to the marlins getting 60 million before even selling a ticket ? we should be able to keep all these guys
September 25, 200915 yr whatever happen to the marlins getting 60 million before even selling a ticket ? we should be able to keep all these guys What?
September 25, 200915 yr I think if the FO is serious about competing next year, they package Uggla and Hermida for starting pitching and pony up some greenbacks to both Ross and Cantu. Ross offers great outfield defense, while Cantu offers infield versatility. What do you think about retaining Nick Johnson at 1B, and running with a Cantu/Bonifacio platoon at 2B, with a Cantu/Helms platoon at 3B? That leaves us with an outfield of Coghlan, Maybin, Ross, Carroll, and whichever other minor leaguers you want to throw into the mix. I was reading an article yesterday about the top ten players who are at a make it or break it point in their careers. Hermida was like #4 on the list. The Twins had both Francisco Liriano and Delmon Young on the list. Do you think the Twins are ready to sell low on either of them? The Twins need a 2B, and could use some insurance in the outfield if Young doesn't start playing up to his potential. I think you're misunderstanding the whole point of a platoon. via thefreedictionary.com: platoon: 1. To use alternate players at the same position.2. To take turns playing a position with another player. I could edit my post to say "split time" instead of "platoon" if that would help you sleep better. My main point is to make sure Cantu is in the lineup every day. In my scenario, Cantu would get the bulk of his playing time at the position of whomever is playing worse between Helms and Bonifacio. They would be "platooning" moreso because of lack of middle infield options coupled with Cantu's versatility. Not necessarily because they excel against different types of pitchers. I think he means that the way you platoon a players is having one bat against lefties and one against righties. Both Wes and Boni have been better against lefties than righties.
September 25, 200915 yr whatever happen to the marlins getting 60 million before even selling a ticket ? we should be able to keep all these guys What? I read somewhere that with the tv deal and the money the marlins get from other teams like the yankees and stuff that they have 60 million before even selling a single ticket
September 25, 200915 yr whatever happen to the marlins getting 60 million before even selling a ticket ? we should be able to keep all these guys What? I read somewhere that with the tv deal and the money the marlins get from other teams like the yankees and stuff that they have 60 million before even selling a single ticket Ah, I see what you're saying. I don't know if it's $60M (could be), but you need to remember there is way more (and I mean way more) than just player salaries on their plate.
September 25, 200915 yr uggla has the most trade value of the group, along with Cantu so imo they shall be the ones to get moved off
September 25, 200915 yr Yeah, I think Stark has this wrong. It's more like we either keep Uggla, or Cantu and Ross. But one of those two groups has to go. At this point it's pretty clear that Uggla will be the one to go, since we can just slide Coghlan into 2nd base there. First, he has to show he can play second base before you "slide" him into the position. He has played over 958 innings at the major league level so far this season, and seven (7), count them 7 were at second base (all in one game) and zero at third. You would think if the Marlins thought he had any kind of future at either they would have taken a good look at him at one or the other but that has not been the case. The guy is terrific with a bat and I'm sure he can field either infield position, the question is can he do it adequately and is he the guy you want as a double play partner with Hanley? Maybe he spends the winter polishing up his infield skills with some guru and shows us something in spring training, I think that would be great, but if you think he's a major league ready second baseman he isn't, not today anyways. Well he never played outfield before this year either, so not having time there this year isnt a disqualifying trait. He is in LF because they wanted his bat in the lineup and his natural positions were already occupied when he got the callup, and most likely not because of dissatisfaction with his abilities at said positions.
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