December 10, 200916 yr Stats for Luis Bryan: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/b/luis-bryan.shtml wow not a bad line for an eighteen year old. He did hit .340 and an OPS of .830+. the Marlins are getting the Astros first pick in the Rule 5 . Looks like something around the eighth pick in the draft. Not so bad. and the kid pitcher (age 20 btw) started 25 games last season, with a 3.20 ERA. His whip has gotten lower each season. He's progressing slowly but he is progressing - three levels in three seasons. I really have a lot of respect for the minor league scouting staff the Marlins have. It's really worth waiting to see what develops instead of immediately saying everyone is nameless junk. I like the fact that he is a shortstop. We have very little in terms of middle infield prospects in our system. Lindstrom is easily replaced from within in my opinion. BTW Off topic but does anyone know whatever happened to P J Dean (I think thats his name),the kid that came over from the Nats in the Willingham trade last season? Just curious. Haven't seen any stats for him in the minors.
December 10, 200916 yr I would have thought that maybe the Marlins should have packaged something with Lindstrom to at least get one decent prospect. Both of those guys showed big time improvement when you consider what their career numbers in the minors look like. Bono has pitched in 51 games (48 starts) in his 3 years in the minors and he is 10-16 with a 4.20 ERA and a 1.36 WHIP. He is also not much of a strikeout pitcher so he doesn't miss a lot of bats. Bryan has played in 75 games in his two years in the minors and he is 60 for 262 (.229 avg, .580 OPS) with 29 runs scored, 2 homers, 27 RBIs and 7 stolen bases. Another name for crap?
December 10, 200916 yr Stats for Luis Bryan: http://www.thebaseba...uis-bryan.shtml wow not a bad line for an eighteen year old. He did hit .340 and an OPS of .830+. the Marlins are getting the Astros first pick in the Rule 5 . Looks like something around the eighth pick in the draft. Not so bad. and the kid pitcher (age 20 btw) started 25 games last season, with a 3.20 ERA. His whip has gotten lower each season. He's progressing slowly but he is progressing - three levels in three seasons. I really have a lot of respect for the minor league scouting staff the Marlins have. It's really worth waiting to see what develops instead of immediately saying everyone is nameless junk. I like the fact that he is a shortstop. We have very little in terms of middle infield prospects in our system. Lindstrom is easily replaced from within in my opinion. BTW Off topic but does anyone know whatever happened to P J Dean (I think thats his name),the kid that came over from the Nats in the Willingham trade last season? Just curious. Haven't seen any stats for him in the minors. I think Nny posted that he's no longer playing baseball. Either that or he was on a bereavement list.
December 10, 200916 yr Stats for Luis Bryan: http://www.thebaseba...uis-bryan.shtml wow not a bad line for an eighteen year old. He did hit .340 and an OPS of .830+. the Marlins are getting the Astros first pick in the Rule 5 . Looks like something around the eighth pick in the draft. Not so bad. and the kid pitcher (age 20 btw) started 25 games last season, with a 3.20 ERA. His whip has gotten lower each season. He's progressing slowly but he is progressing - three levels in three seasons. I really have a lot of respect for the minor league scouting staff the Marlins have. It's really worth waiting to see what develops instead of immediately saying everyone is nameless junk. I like the fact that he is a shortstop. We have very little in terms of middle infield prospects in our system. Lindstrom is easily replaced from within in my opinion. BTW Off topic but does anyone know whatever happened to P J Dean (I think thats his name),the kid that came over from the Nats in the Willingham trade last season? Just curious. Haven't seen any stats for him in the minors. I think Nny posted that he's no longer playing baseball. Either that or he was on a bereavement list. Thanks
December 10, 200916 yr I would have thought that maybe the Marlins should have packaged something with Lindstrom to at least get one decent prospect. Both of those guys showed big time improvement when you consider what their career numbers in the minors look like. Bono has pitched in 51 games (48 starts) in his 3 years in the minors and he is 10-16 with a 4.20 ERA and a 1.36 WHIP. He is also not much of a strikeout pitcher so he doesn't miss a lot of bats. Bryan has played in 75 games in his two years in the minors and he is 60 for 262 (.229 avg, .580 OPS) with 29 runs scored, 2 homers, 27 RBIs and 7 stolen bases. Where are you seeing this? http://www.rotoworld...=6134&sport=MLB He's only played 31 games....
December 10, 200916 yr Waste of a trade. Not that Lindstrom is any good... but why trade him for what we believe is dead end players? Salary? He's not worth $1.4 million and isn't a good player. He's a few bad innings away from pitching in the California Penal League. His first 2 years were good and his third was plagued by injury...have no idea where you are coming from. Over 12,000 posts and you say something like this. There were 10 teams lined up interested...you should be ashamed of yourself. Instead of recognizing him for taking the ball everytime he was called on, and helping the Marlins in the bullpen, all you can do as a fan (I question that) is belittle the player that busted his a$% day in and day out. Congrats you get D-Bag of the year award. Thanks for the name calling and the personal attack. He was a decent reliever in 2007 but his success in 2008 was not as great as his ERA indicates. He walked a ton of batters. WHIP is a better indicator of relief talent than ERA is. I also think it is frivolous to excuse bad performance on account of players trying hard. Why don't we bring in Nick Punto and David Eckstein while we are at it. The bottom line is that he was not worth remotely close to $1.4 million. He will be easily replaced by virtually any of the arms already in the system and they will be at a lower cost. He will not be missed. He is going to be clobbered in that small park in Houston.
December 10, 200916 yr I would have thought that maybe the Marlins should have packaged something with Lindstrom to at least get one decent prospect. Both of those guys showed big time improvement when you consider what their career numbers in the minors look like. Bono has pitched in 51 games (48 starts) in his 3 years in the minors and he is 10-16 with a 4.20 ERA and a 1.36 WHIP. He is also not much of a strikeout pitcher so he doesn't miss a lot of bats. Bryan has played in 75 games in his two years in the minors and he is 60 for 262 (.229 avg, .580 OPS) with 29 runs scored, 2 homers, 27 RBIs and 7 stolen bases. Where are you seeing this? http://www.rotoworld...=6134&sport=MLB He's only played 31 games.... Here you go: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=bryan-001lui
December 10, 200916 yr Here are Robert Bono's stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=bono--001rob
December 10, 200916 yr I would have thought that maybe the Marlins should have packaged something with Lindstrom to at least get one decent prospect. Both of those guys showed big time improvement when you consider what their career numbers in the minors look like. Bono has pitched in 51 games (48 starts) in his 3 years in the minors and he is 10-16 with a 4.20 ERA and a 1.36 WHIP. He is also not much of a strikeout pitcher so he doesn't miss a lot of bats. Bryan has played in 75 games in his two years in the minors and he is 60 for 262 (.229 avg, .580 OPS) with 29 runs scored, 2 homers, 27 RBIs and 7 stolen bases. Where are you seeing this? http://www.rotoworld...=6134&sport=MLB He's only played 31 games.... Here you go: http://www.baseball-...id=bryan-001lui Ah, i see. Thanks. Well at least he improved tremendously the second year....
December 10, 200916 yr Waste of a trade. Not that Lindstrom is any good... but why trade him for what we believe is dead end players? Salary? He's not worth $1.4 million and isn't a good player. He's a few bad innings away from pitching in the California Penal League. His first 2 years were good and his third was plagued by injury...have no idea where you are coming from. Over 12,000 posts and you say something like this. There were 10 teams lined up interested...you should be ashamed of yourself. Instead of recognizing him for taking the ball everytime he was called on, and helping the Marlins in the bullpen, all you can do as a fan (I question that) is belittle the player that busted his a$% day in and day out. Congrats you get D-Bag of the year award. Thanks for the name calling and the personal attack. He was a decent reliever in 2007 but his success in 2008 was not as great as his ERA indicates. He walked a ton of batters. WHIP is a better indicator of relief talent than ERA is. I also think it is frivolous to excuse bad performance on account of players trying hard. Why don't we bring in Nick Punto and David Eckstein while we are at it. The bottom line is that he was not worth remotely close to $1.4 million. He will be easily replaced by virtually any of the arms already in the system and they will be at a lower cost. He will not be missed. He is going to be clobbered in that small park in Houston. Main Entry: hyp·o·crite Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\Function: noun Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthaiDate: 13th century1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings — hypocrite adjective Thank you, Merriam-Webster
December 10, 200916 yr Bono walked only 19 in 143.1 IP, thats the stat that I like the most. Exactly. I think we got a pretty decent return for Lindstrom, let's be honest we got a pretty decent return for a middle reliever who can only throw the heat who has control problems. He's basically Kyle Farnsworth. Bono only walked 19 in 143.1 IP, that's nice. Bryan looked decent for his age but it wasn't A ball so it's rough to say what he can be, he has nice size though and hit for a high average. I'll take the "risk" on these two, knowing what I would get out of Lindstrom.
December 10, 200916 yr Eh, we got crap but it was expected crap. Though I love it when we send guys we don't want to the Stros.
December 10, 200916 yr Interestingly the Marlins have two picks in the first round of the Rule 5 draft but only one roster spot on the 40 man. Makes you wonder if someone else - Pinto probably - gets gone by the morning. They didn't take Houston's first pick (8th in the draft) without a reason, they have to have their eye on someone it was worth moving up 14 spots to grab. I'm thinking this isn't a "best player available" pick, they have their sights set on one or two specific players who they think, as with Dan Uggla, is a major league ballplayer waiting for an opportunity.
December 10, 200916 yr Waste of a trade. Not that Lindstrom is any good... but why trade him for what we believe is dead end players? Salary? He's not worth $1.4 million and isn't a good player. He's a few bad innings away from pitching in the California Penal League. His first 2 years were good and his third was plagued by injury...have no idea where you are coming from. Over 12,000 posts and you say something like this. There were 10 teams lined up interested...you should be ashamed of yourself. Instead of recognizing him for taking the ball everytime he was called on, and helping the Marlins in the bullpen, all you can do as a fan (I question that) is belittle the player that busted his a$% day in and day out. Congrats you get D-Bag of the year award. Thanks for the name calling and the personal attack. He was a decent reliever in 2007 but his success in 2008 was not as great as his ERA indicates. He walked a ton of batters. WHIP is a better indicator of relief talent than ERA is. I also think it is frivolous to excuse bad performance on account of players trying hard. Why don't we bring in Nick Punto and David Eckstein while we are at it. The bottom line is that he was not worth remotely close to $1.4 million. He will be easily replaced by virtually any of the arms already in the system and they will be at a lower cost. He will not be missed. He is going to be clobbered in that small park in Houston. Main Entry: hyp·o·crite Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\Function: noun Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthaiDate: 13th century1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings — hypocrite adjective Thank you, Merriam-Webster Great. Now look up the definition of "ad hominem."
December 10, 200916 yr He's not worth $1.4 million and isn't a good player. He's a few bad innings away from pitching in the California Penal League. His first 2 years were good and his third was plagued by injury...have no idea where you are coming from. Over 12,000 posts and you say something like this. There were 10 teams lined up interested...you should be ashamed of yourself. Instead of recognizing him for taking the ball everytime he was called on, and helping the Marlins in the bullpen, all you can do as a fan (I question that) is belittle the player that busted his a$% day in and day out. Congrats you get D-Bag of the year award. Thanks for the name calling and the personal attack. He was a decent reliever in 2007 but his success in 2008 was not as great as his ERA indicates. He walked a ton of batters. WHIP is a better indicator of relief talent than ERA is. I also think it is frivolous to excuse bad performance on account of players trying hard. Why don't we bring in Nick Punto and David Eckstein while we are at it. The bottom line is that he was not worth remotely close to $1.4 million. He will be easily replaced by virtually any of the arms already in the system and they will be at a lower cost. He will not be missed. He is going to be clobbered in that small park in Houston. Main Entry: hyp·o·crite Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\Function: noun Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthaiDate: 13th century1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings — hypocrite adjective Thank you, Merriam-Webster Great. Now look up the definition of "ad hominem." touche-my good man
December 10, 200916 yr Bono had a 1.19 BB/9 in 25 starts last season and Bryan showed some potential at only 18 years old. Not great, but I wasn't expecting much more in return for Lindstrom.
December 10, 200916 yr Interestingly the Marlins have two picks in the first round of the Rule 5 draft but only one roster spot on the 40 man. Makes you wonder if someone else - Pinto probably - gets gone by the morning. They didn't take Houston's first pick (8th in the draft) without a reason, they have to have their eye on someone it was worth moving up 14 spots to grab. I'm thinking this isn't a "best player available" pick, they have their sights set on one or two specific players who they think, as with Dan Uggla, is a major league ballplayer waiting for an opportunity. If they do trade Pinto before the morning I hope they will get a better return than they did for Lindstrom.
December 10, 200916 yr Bono had a 1.19 BB/9 in 25 starts last season and Bryan showed some potential at only 18 years old. Not great, but I wasn't expecting much more in return for Lindstrom. He also had a WHIP of 1.23 in 2009. I think you would want a better WHIP for a "top prospect" but for what you gave up and what you can project that BB and WHIP both seem to be promising, especially since there is a good sample size for 2009.
December 10, 200916 yr Interestingly the Marlins have two picks in the first round of the Rule 5 draft but only one roster spot on the 40 man. Makes you wonder if someone else - Pinto probably - gets gone by the morning. They didn't take Houston's first pick (8th in the draft) without a reason, they have to have their eye on someone it was worth moving up 14 spots to grab. I'm thinking this isn't a "best player available" pick, they have their sights set on one or two specific players who they think, as with Dan Uggla, is a major league ballplayer waiting for an opportunity. If they do trade Pinto before the morning I hope they will get a better return than they did for Lindstrom. We should've gotten 2 All-Stars and a hall of famer to be named later for Lindstrom...
December 10, 200916 yr Interestingly the Marlins have two picks in the first round of the Rule 5 draft but only one roster spot on the 40 man. Makes you wonder if someone else - Pinto probably - gets gone by the morning. They didn't take Houston's first pick (8th in the draft) without a reason, they have to have their eye on someone it was worth moving up 14 spots to grab. I'm thinking this isn't a "best player available" pick, they have their sights set on one or two specific players who they think, as with Dan Uggla, is a major league ballplayer waiting for an opportunity. If they do trade Pinto before the morning I hope they will get a better return than they did for Lindstrom. We should've gotten 2 All-Stars and a hall of famer to be named later for Lindstrom... I'm assuming he means something better than two guys who wouldn't have been in the top 30 of Houston's system, a system that's not really good to begin with. I'm not saying I'm happy or not one way or the other with the trade, but I can see people being upset we didn't get a better prospect(s) for a guy who could be a key reliever in the bullpen.
December 10, 200916 yr Bono had a 1.19 BB/9 in 25 starts last season and Bryan showed some potential at only 18 years old. Not great, but I wasn't expecting much more in return for Lindstrom. He also had a WHIP of 1.23 in 2009. I think you would want a better WHIP for a "top prospect" but for what you gave up and what you can project that BB and WHIP both seem to be promising, especially since there is a good sample size for 2009. I don't think so, especially seeing that his BABIP has been higher than usual the past two seasons. His Ks should develop as he progresses, so if can do that and keep his BBs down at the same time, he could develop into something decent.
December 10, 200916 yr Great. Now look up the definition of "ad hominem." You're making this way too easy. An ad hominem argument has the basic form: Person 1 makes claim X There is something objectionable about Person 1 Therefore claim X is false So...once again, you're making a personal attack on someone you know nothing personal about. Correct me if I'm wrong. We learn that in a Gen Ed. here at FHSU, and we're even Division II.
December 10, 200916 yr Interestingly the Marlins have two picks in the first round of the Rule 5 draft but only one roster spot on the 40 man. Makes you wonder if someone else - Pinto probably - gets gone by the morning. They didn't take Houston's first pick (8th in the draft) without a reason, they have to have their eye on someone it was worth moving up 14 spots to grab. I'm thinking this isn't a "best player available" pick, they have their sights set on one or two specific players who they think, as with Dan Uggla, is a major league ballplayer waiting for an opportunity. If they do trade Pinto before the morning I hope they will get a better return than they did for Lindstrom. We should've gotten 2 All-Stars and a hall of famer to be named later for Lindstrom... I'm assuming he means something better than two guys who wouldn't have been in the top 30 of Houston's system, a system that's not really good to begin with. I'm not saying I'm happy or not one way or the other with the trade, but I can see people being upset we didn't get a better prospect(s) for a guy who could be a key reliever in the bullpen. You are correct. That is exactly what I meant. It would be nice to see a prospect I can read about in my Baseball America Prospect Handbook from last year. Even if it's the #30 guy in someone's system.
December 10, 200916 yr Great. Now look up the definition of "ad hominem." You're making this way too easy. An ad hominem argument has the basic form: Person 1 makes claim X There is something objectionable about Person 1 Therefore claim X is false Very good. Now point to the part where I made an objectionable comment about the character of another person and this should be wrapped up.
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