cornfield Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 When you pull the plug on a manager the way the Marlins did with FG, you have to assume that changes are wanted, don't you? What has been going on since Rodriguez took over is the opposite of that. Players on the field, unchanged. Batting order, basically unchanged ... unless you see special significance in flipflopping Stanton and Paulino or Uggla and Cantu. I see no significance in either move. Pitching .... exactly the same, silly system. Hensley in the eighth and Nunez in the ninth, with whoever filling in the 6th and/or 7th. Sanchez/etc. Doesn't matter if Hensley has a six-pitch eighth. You burn Nunez in the ninth regardless. Basically, it would appear that FG left his lesson plan attached to the dugout wall and Rodriguez has followed it to the letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flsportsfan83 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 Burn Nunez in the 9th? He is our closer. It was a 2 run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 E-Rod's job is to do what he's told to and he's doing a very good job at that. You've seen exactly how far his nine new lineups got before the FO told him who to play where and where to bat them in the lineup. I give the guy credit for doing a respectable job and making it to the bigs and I have no complaints with the guy's credentials or desire to win. All in all they picked a good guy to fill the role they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Not sure where the connection is, but the bullpen ERA is drastically better under Rodriguez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Bullpen has been a lot better since he took over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishes on the Pond Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Bullpen has been a lot better since he took over. Although this is true a lot of people who were injured or needed an adjustment just happened to come back. So it appears it is just a coincidence or timing that Rodriguez coming on board and the bullpen doing better. Can we say Rodriguez is worse than Gonzalaz because we are now 3 games out and we were 2 games out when Gonzalez was terminated? In my opinion that is coincidence/timing also. Right now the HITTERS just aren't performing as well as a couple defense blunders. :| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 When you pull the plug on a manager the way the Marlins did with FG, you have to assume that changes are wanted, don't you? What has been going on since Rodriguez took over is the opposite of that. Players on the field, unchanged. Batting order, basically unchanged ... unless you see special significance in flipflopping Stanton and Paulino or Uggla and Cantu. I see no significance in either move. Pitching .... exactly the same, silly system. Hensley in the eighth and Nunez in the ninth, with whoever filling in the 6th and/or 7th. Sanchez/etc. Doesn't matter if Hensley has a six-pitch eighth. You burn Nunez in the ninth regardless. Basically, it would appear that FG left his lesson plan attached to the dugout wall and Rodriguez has followed it to the letter. By the way, this makes no sense. Every manager in the big leagues does that, and it's not as if your scenario has been a fact in recent days. When did Hensley have that 6 pitch inning you're talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Bullpen has been a lot better since he took over. Ill credit that to the pitch coaching before I credit him with it, but regardless yes, the bullpen has seen some sight of hope. Lets face it though, he inherited a ton of problems. So before we pass judgement in either direction lets give him some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 What I'd like to see out of E-Rod's tenure besides of course stabilizing the BP is getting this team to stop giving opponents four or five outs an inning. Do that and he will have made a major contribution to the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 What I'd like to see out of E-Rod's tenure besides of course stabilizing the BP is getting this team to stop giving opponents four or five outs an inning. Do that and he will have made a major contribution to the organization. There's really not much he can do with certain players. Uggla has limited range, Cantu just sucks defensively, and then there's Coghlan who should probably be playing the infield. I'd like to see Hanley get better because in Hanley's case, it just looks like he gets bored sometimes. He makes some very difficult plays look routine, then he messes up the routine plays...a lack of concentration, it seems. For the most part though, the front office has to make sure the team gets better, defensively. With the guys in our farm system/our top prospects, I have a feeling we'll be better defensively in the upcoming years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Yeah, the idea is that: LF - Morrison: Average (hopefully) CF - Maybin: Above-Average to Very Good RF - Stanton: Above-Average 3B - Dominguez: Very Good to Great SS - Hanley: Average 2B: Coghlan - Average to Slightly Above-Average 1B: Gaby - Average to Slight Above-Average C: Baker/Paulino - (Hopefully) Slightly Below-Average to Average So, outside of catcher, everyone projects to be at least average, with a few standouts; that should be a top-5 defense, especially if our pitchers can shape up and learn how to hold runners (I wonder how Edwin is about this). Let's hope this come to be, and sooner rather than later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 I think you missed the point almost completely Erick. It isn't about how great or small an individual player's skillset is, it's how sound their fundamentals are and knowing what the right thing to do in game situations is. Uggla could be the best or worse 2nd baseman but if he doesn't (for example, and that includes using Uggla as well) position himself correctly when a throw is coming from the outfield and ball winds up rolling across the infield and a runner who should of been held at 2nd winds up at third, that's just bad baseball and if he can fix that kind of stuff I'll give him a standing O at the end of his time as manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Speaking of Baker, I read somewhere this morning (and I don't remember the source or how credible it was, sorry) that Baker is now expected to miss all of August and not be back until sometime in September. To me that says it's time to go find another catcher (and I don't mean Max Ramirez from Texas, rather someone who can actually play the position). It's been nice having BH around covering for Bake but enough already, I'd bet dollars to donuts that if we start trading, somewhere in the players coming back will be a major league experienced catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Edwin Rodriguez believes Marlins are trying too hard to get back into the race July 19th, 2010 by Tom D'Angelo Manager Edwin Rodriguez has a theory on why the Marlins are the worst hitting team in the majors in July. They want to win. “They want to get back in the race,� Rodriguez said of his team that is 9.5 games out. “I think they are putting way too much pressure on themselves.� In three games since the All-Star break the Marlins have scored three runs and are hitting .159 with just four extra base hits (all doubles). They are 2-1 thanks to some stellar pitching. Going back to the start of the month, the Marlins are hitting .220 with seven home runs. In the last 11 games, Mike Stanton is the only regular with a home run. Hitting coach John Mallee, though, is encouraged by their at bats and believes it won’t take much to snap out of the slump. “We’ve had some really good at bats,� Mallee said. “If we weren’t having good at bats that would be one thing. If we keep having a good approach, the balls will fall.� http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 They're due for fire on one reason... Uggla and Hanley. I honestly cant see either of them finishing the season on low numbers, so they're due. Of course that's just a gut feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexdw85 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 for some reason hes really fond of bonerface. even tho he just got a 2 rbi single, im dreading having to watch this guy leadoff for a month before this manager realizes hes a terrible leadoff hitter. hes been saying in the media he wants to give bonifacio more chances at leadoff and this doesnt sit well with me. that and the whole competition thing irritate me. the marlins problems under fredi have been their complete lack of urgency. they tend to have an attitude that they dont get down on one loss too much cuz they can just make it up later. thats nice cuz they dont panic but they havent won anything to warrant this attitude either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 for some reason hes really fond of bonerface. even tho he just got a 2 rbi single, im dreading having to watch this guy leadoff for a month before this manager realizes hes a terrible leadoff hitter. hes been saying in the media he wants to give bonifacio more chances at leadoff and this doesnt sit well with me. that and the whole competition thing irritate me. the marlins problems under fredi have been their complete lack of urgency. they tend to have an attitude that they dont get down on one loss too much cuz they can just make it up later. thats nice cuz they dont panic but they havent won anything to warrant this attitude either. I think Coghlan is going to be back once he feels fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarlinPride Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 for some reason hes really fond of bonerface. even tho he just got a 2 rbi single, im dreading having to watch this guy leadoff for a month before this manager realizes hes a terrible leadoff hitter. hes been saying in the media he wants to give bonifacio more chances at leadoff and this doesnt sit well with me. that and the whole competition thing irritate me. the marlins problems under fredi have been their complete lack of urgency. they tend to have an attitude that they dont get down on one loss too much cuz they can just make it up later. thats nice cuz they dont panic but they havent won anything to warrant this attitude either. I think Coghlan is going to be back once he feels fine. Forsure he will but it could possibly be in the infield... :whistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 What has the new manager done? He put Donnie Murphy in the game :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarlinPride Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 And this new manager guy has the team on a 3 game winning streak and winning 8 out of the last 12 games,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Re: Bonifacio. Folks forget Rodriguez had him playing everyday in NOLA for a good part of the season. And I don't know if it's been mentioned but I think the Marlins are now 11-11 since E-Rod replaced Fredi and are in fact playing winning baseball (I think it's 10-7 or something like that but I'd have to go back and count) since he was named "Manager" in PR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 We are exactly .500 with Edwin as manager. Nothing to go crazy about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 The Anti-Fredi puts the Marlins in the Win Column! I can tell you right now Fredi would not have made half the moves Edwin did. Edwin has shown a greater level of guile and imagination that Fredi ever did during his tenure as manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 for some reason hes really fond of bonerface. even tho he just got a 2 rbi single, im dreading having to watch this guy leadoff for a month before this manager realizes hes a terrible leadoff hitter. hes been saying in the media he wants to give bonifacio more chances at leadoff and this doesnt sit well with me. that and the whole competition thing irritate me. the marlins problems under fredi have been their complete lack of urgency. they tend to have an attitude that they dont get down on one loss too much cuz they can just make it up later. thats nice cuz they dont panic but they havent won anything to warrant this attitude either. I think Coghlan is going to be back once he feels fine. Forsure he will but it could possibly be in the infield... :whistle :hat Yea, but if that's the case then we'll probably see a never-before seen player in LF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarlinPride Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Well at least Morrison is getting some experience in LF in AAA NOLA. He's done a pretty good job to 10 Games 24/24 in chances 1.000 Fielding %, but then again it's Left Field so it's nothing to write home about. If we do call him up I'd prefer it to be during a homestand so he can quickly get used to playing balls of the Teal Monster which should be his main concern along with hitting his cutoffs and angles to make throws. He is generally athletic enough to field his position well enough but practice makes perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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