Tell me what you think!

I like apples.

 

Apples are the conmen of the fruit kingdom. Bright, Red with the appearance of being sweet and soft like candy but once you bite into it, it's got you by the balls.

 

We need a new fruit, one that's not afraid to put more into being a fruit and go for broke, we need Oranges.

Who is Madden?

John Madden, and once again he's rambling off about something he knows nothing about.

Want a worst-case, nightmare Stanton scenario?

 

His enterprising agent negotiates an insurance contract with Lloyd's of London (or one of the other specialty-risk insurance pools) to pay Stanton 10 or 25 or 50 or 100 million (pick any large amount, the exact amount doesn't matter,) no matter what, net of his 3 arb-years and any future payroll earnings, barring failure to show up for work or moral turpitude.

 

If he plays and cumulatively earns more than the face amount of the policy, they owe him nothing.

 

If he gets injured in '13 or thereafter and never plays again or plays for pitiful pay (although no MLB salary can be considered "pitiful") they owe him the face amount of the policy less his total baseball payroll earnings from '14 through, say, '17 extended by one year for every 20 million of insurance purchased above 40 million (his assumed '14-'17 earnings.)

 

Cost to Stanton?

 

Probably $1 plus a small percentage of his gross arb-year earnings (assumed to be 20 million,) maybe 1% per 5 million of the total insured amount. Want a 25 mill guarantee?

 

That'll be 5% of your actual '14-'16 arb earnings -- assumed to be an insurance premium cost of 1 million, give or take, paid as it's earned in '14-'16. 50 million? 10% -- 2 million. 100 million? 20% -- 4 million. Or something along those lines.

 

That would be insurance against loss of future earnings in addition to insurance against disability because no one knows if he'll even play in '14-'15-'16 to generate the income on which the insurance premiums would be based, he could have a career-ending injury tomorrow.

 

But, if he's got anything even remotely like that in his back pocket, he'll never sign here, he'd already have his guarantee in whatever size he's willing to pay for, and even 5 million would set him up for life.

 

And Lloyd's didn't just insure Betty Grable's legs, they've insured wine-taster's noses and soccer player's legs for up to 70 million. Why not a whole baseball player's body's ability to play for some number of years with a constanly declining amount at risk?

 

And this wouldn't even be Loria's fault.

 

:lol

Anyone can second-guess any management decision. I really don't care what anyone who isn't part of Marlins management thinks about their decisions one way or the other, because it simply doesn't matter.

 

Meanwhile, I'm watching the game.

 

He's not really second guessing their decisions, though. He's asking you questions regarding Loria.

 

At least admit he messed up the Miguel Cabrera situation and he's repeating it again with Stanton.

As I said, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

 

Anyone can whine and moan about this or that trade or decision. So what? Complaints by even 10,000 people ain't gonna change who owns the Marlins.

 

Your opinion doesn't matter, my opinion doesn't matter, penquino's opinion doesn't matter. Only Loria's opinion matters.

 

I put facts out there, there's nothing I can do about whether anyone thinks I'm defending Loria. I don't waste my time debating whether or not any given decision was good or bad because there's nothing I can do about it, short of buying the team.

The Cabrera situation was a clusterf***. The Marlins asked Cabrera to lose weight and they'll discuss a contract. He didn't lose weight, he actually gained more, and slowly was eating himself off the infield.

 

When the Marlins traded him, he finally started to lose weight and was able to stay at 1B... but he was an elite 3B if he kept his body in shape.

 

When the Marlins traded him I understood, because he was a gluttonous alcoholic who thought the Marlins owed him more then they did.

 

I'll try to find articles that are 5 years old collaborating the "Lose Weight, make money" things, but the fact remains- he was slowly going to be a AL DH signed to an NL Club the way things were going.

 

I wish he would have stayed in shape, played a few more years here and moved on then but it didn't happen. We've been boned at 3B outside of Cantu for years now, but he wasn't a 3B when he was traded.

 

EDIT: This is the best I could find, since the PBP article is now gone:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/11/marlins-shoppin.html

As I said, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

 

Anyone can whine and moan about this or that trade or decision. So what? Complaints by even 10,000 people ain't gonna change who owns the Marlins.

 

Your opinion doesn't matter, my opinion doesn't matter, penquino's opinion doesn't matter. Only Loria's opinion matters.

 

I put facts out there, there's nothing I can do about whether anyone thinks I'm defending Loria. I don't waste my time debating whether or not any given decision was good or bad because there's nothing I can do about it, short of buying the team.

 

It won't change anything. Only Loria can.

 

I am interested in hearing your opinion on Loria, though. So far, how do you think he is handling the Stanton situation? It's pretty crappy, is it not?

My opinion of Loria?

 

He's made some good moves and some bad moves. At least he's had the grace to admit when he screwed up and then do something about it, even if it's financially painful. But, when it's all said and done my opinion doesn't matter at all, so who cares?

 

Stanton?

 

Nobody has any idea of what's really going on. I posited a worst-case scenario, above. That doesn't matter, either, since nobody commenting on signing or not signing Stanton -- or anything else -- owns the team.

 

I sometimes post facts that throw sand into the gears of the Loria-haters. You know, people who for no valid reason call him a crook or a thief or the spawn of satan (that's my favorite) or worse, some of whom claim to want to do him bodily harm. Doesn't mean I love the guy, it just means that I won't silently suffer the goofy rantings of the financially illiterate.

50 posts ago, I quoted Stanton's awe-struck brethren extolling his virtues and I've gotten nothing but grief ever since.

 

This thread is about Stanton, not me or Loria or what I think of Loria or anything else. Back to the topic of our baseball-God at whose feet we shall all worship for so long as he is here.

As I said, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

 

Anyone can whine and moan about this or that trade or decision. So what? Complaints by even 10,000 people ain't gonna change who owns the Marlins.

 

Your opinion doesn't matter, my opinion doesn't matter, penquino's opinion doesn't matter. Only Loria's opinion matters.

 

I put facts out there, there's nothing I can do about whether anyone thinks I'm defending Loria. I don't waste my time debating whether or not any given decision was good or bad because there's nothing I can do about it, short of buying the team.

 

I've already asked you to explain the logic of this assertion you are making above. Of course, the question went unanswered.

 

I'll try again: Even if our opinions have no direct impact on the FO's decisions, why should that fact preclude us from exposing his indiscretions?

 

You are hiding behind your illogical statement in order to avoid having to answer my questions.

 

Message boards like this one are intended to be a platform for people like us to debate management issues that we have absolutely no control over. If you feel so strongly about the futility of voicing such opinions, I'm shocked that you are a member here and even more shocked that you spend so much time posting here. I am asking these questions because I can't be the only one here who is interested in seeing how far you are willing to take your blind defense of everything that Loria does.

My opinion of Loria?

 

He's made some good moves and some bad moves. At least he's had the grace to admit when he screwed up and then do something about it, even if it's financially painful. But, when it's all said and done my opinion doesn't matter at all, so who cares?

 

Stanton?

 

Nobody has any idea of what's really going on. I posited a worst-case scenario, above. That doesn't matter, either, since nobody commenting on signing or not signing Stanton -- or anything else -- owns the team.

 

I sometimes post facts that throw sand into the gears of the Loria-haters. You know, people who for no valid reason call him a crook or a thief or the spawn of satan (that's my favorite) or worse, some of whom claim to want to do him bodily harm. Doesn't mean I love the guy, it just means that I won't silently suffer the goofy rantings of the financially illiterate.

 

What "bad" moves has Loria made in particular?

 

Do you think that Loria handled the Miguel Cabrera situation well (not buying out his arbitration)?

 

You don't own the team, but that doesn't prevent you from voicing an opinion. And, yes, people here are interested.

Sorry, I don't care to carry on a pointless debate.

It can't really be called a debate because you have been too stubborn to participate by dodging simple questions.

 

Oh well, at least I learned that I'm not allowed to voice an opinion on trades, signings, contract extensions, draft picks, and other personnel moves unless I am the owner of the MLB franchise in question.

We have found the one person on the internet not willing to give their opinion. What do we win?

 

 

 

 

It can't really be called a debate because you have been too stubborn to participate by dodging simple questions.

 

Oh well, at least I learned that I'm not allowed to voice an opinion on trades, signings, contract extensions, draft picks, and other personnel moves unless I am the owner of the MLB franchise in question.

 

He's a part of Loria's new PR firm. They've already abandoned hope of reforming Loria's image. Their new strategy is to simply make people tired of criticizing him.

I'm going to start e-mailing all of the baseball sites to tell them that their analyses don't matter because they don't own the teams they are analyzing.

 

Anybody want to help? I got Baseball America. Who wants ESPN.com?

I'm going to start e-mailing all of the baseball sites to tell them that their analyses don't matter because they don't own the teams they are analyzing.

 

Anybody want to help? I got Baseball America. Who wants ESPN.com?

 

I'd take Yahoo, but their analysis already doesn't matter.

He has already expressed several opinions, they're just not the juicy kind that some other like to sink their teeth into. With lots of other strong opinions to choose from, what difference does one more or less matter? Unless of course you respect his opinion so highly that it would be a shame to do without it. But somehow I haven't gotten that impression.

The issue here is that over the course of his entire posting tenure he has never spoken negatively toward Loria. It becomes difficult to take his posts seriously if he seems to be driven by some kind of blind loyalty to the FO in every response.

 

The point in trying to get him to weigh in on these issues was to see how obstinately he would stand by his guy.

The issue here is that over the course of his entire posting tenure he has never spoken negatively toward Loria. It becomes difficult to take his posts seriously if he seems to be driven by some kind of blind loyalty to the FO in every response.

 

The point in trying to get him to weigh in on these issues was to see how obstinately he would stand by his guy.

 

I think one think that is pretty clear is that you do take him seriously, or it wouldn't matter so much to you.

How so? This materialized mostly out of his ridiculous suggestion that the lack of contract negotiations between Stanton and the Marlins this offseason was Stanton's fault, not Loria's.

 

I am disgusted by these types of illogical premises and wanted to press him on it.

 

Anyway, I think you're understanding of my concerns here is way off base.

Hmm... 3-4, 2 hr with one yesterday as well... Seems as good a time as any to revive the thread.

We all forgot this existed.

He's attacking