August 27, 201015 yr Well, there's been a decent discussion in tonight's game thread about the future of the lineup [mostly next year and 2012]. Thought I'd continue it here. So far, next season is projecting for, by position: Stanton RF Maybin CF Morrison LF Coghlan 3B Hanley SS Uggla 2B Sanchez 1B Baker / Paulino C Whoever's on the mound One has an opinion to trade Gaby, move LoMo to first, Cogs to left, Dominguez to third [moreso in 2012]. One has the opinion to keep things as they are and have the luxury of a Dominguez ready to be up to play third. Just a nice friendly discussion, please keep things civilized. - Mike
August 27, 201015 yr I came into this thread expecting a Buzz Lightyear reference, I was highly disappointed.
August 27, 201015 yr Author I came into this thread expecting a Buzz Lightyear reference, I was highly disappointed. You've got a friiiiend in me!
August 27, 201015 yr In all seriousness, by next year it's pretty clear this lineup will be... 3B Coghlan LF Morrison SS Ramirez 2B Uggla 1B Sanchez RF Stanton CF Maybin C Paulino/Baker I can't find a single person in this lineup who I can't see succeeding (Maybin being the main guy to be skeptical of). However, our rotation and bullpen is such a mess right now. You never know what you're getting from Nolasco, Sanchez's arm can fall off at any second, and no real 4th and 5th starters in sight. Maybe the rotation will be Johnson Nolasco Sanchez Sanabia West I mean that 1-5 is pretty pedestrian. JJ is awesome, but I wouldn't be thrilled heading into next season with that 2-5 in the rotation. I think the bullpen is easily fixable however. The starters are what scare me about the future of this team. I mean our f-ing top pitching prospects right now are Brad Hand and Chad James. Those guys are good and all, but they aren't top pitching prospects in a minor league system good. We desperately need to get some starting pitching soon. That's the main reason I see Gaby getting traded at some point. I can't predict exactly when that will happen, but I'm fairly sure it's going to happen at some point in the near future. EDIT: Switched Coghlan to 1st and Maybin to 8th (which is what I meant to do originally).
August 27, 201015 yr The way the lineup is tonight works perfectly for me, except with Cogs and Baker in for Helms and Hayes. Who knows if Dominguez will truly even be MLB ready by 2012? I would hate to get rid of either Gaby or Cogz at this point. Maybe we'll get lucky and the NL will add the DH and we can have everyone in the lineup!
August 27, 201015 yr I wouldn't mind moving both Uggla and Gaby this offseason for pitching, the signing say David Dejesus this offseason.
August 27, 201015 yr Well that's another dilemma entirely. Dominguez is going to get his chance at 3B eventually. That once again will one day leave Chris Coghlan being a man without a position. What do you do then? It's pretty much guaranteed at least 1 or 2 players who are in our starting lineup in 2011 will not be in that starting lineup by July 2012.
August 27, 201015 yr The way the lineup is tonight works perfectly for me, except with Cogs and Baker in for Helms and Hayes. Who knows if Dominguez will truly even be MLB ready by 2012? I would hate to get rid of either Gaby or Cogz at this point. Maybe we'll get lucky and the NL will add the DH and we can have everyone in the lineup! You want Coghlan hitting 7th or 8th?
August 27, 201015 yr The way the lineup is tonight works perfectly for me, except with Cogs and Baker in for Helms and Hayes. Who knows if Dominguez will truly even be MLB ready by 2012? I would hate to get rid of either Gaby or Cogz at this point. Maybe we'll get lucky and the NL will add the DH and we can have everyone in the lineup! You want Coghlan hitting 7th or 8th? Maybe to start out with initially, since he will be coming off the surgery and trying to regain his 2009 form. We'll see where we go from there. If Maybin can't handle leadoff, then he can switch with Cogs..
August 27, 201015 yr The way the lineup is tonight works perfectly for me, except with Cogs and Baker in for Helms and Hayes. Who knows if Dominguez will truly even be MLB ready by 2012? I would hate to get rid of either Gaby or Cogz at this point. Maybe we'll get lucky and the NL will add the DH and we can have everyone in the lineup! You want Coghlan hitting 7th or 8th? Maybe to start out with initially, since he will be coming off the surgery and trying to regain his 2009 form. We'll see where we go from there. If Maybin can't handle leadoff, then he can switch with Cogs.. His form was fine this year, he just had a bad April. From May 1st to July 25th he hit .290/.361/.438. I think it's a waste to have him that far back. I rather have Maybin (depending on how he does til the end of the season) or LoMo(because I believe his power will come out) back there than CC.
August 27, 201015 yr Author You want Coghlan hitting 7th or 8th? I know it wasn't directed at me, but... I haven't a clue how exactly one could write this line-up. You've got really four guys that could potentially lead off [Coghlan, Maybin, Hanley and even Morrison, in my opinion, with the amount he gets on base]. You've got three guys that can easily bat second [Morrison, Coghlan, Gaby, perhaps Maybin as well.] There's some that could bat third [Hanley, Morrison, Gaby, Stanton later on] Fourth, Uggla and Stanton Fifth through Seventh, mix around Gaby, Stanton, Coghlan, Morrison and Maybin, although Maybin and Coghlan would be 6th or 7th, not 5th. Uggla could also bat fifth. Eighth just slot in the catcher. OR if one wanted two lefties batting first and second [which I don't think they would], the line-up is probably: Coghlan 3B Morrison LF Hanley SS Uggla 2B Stanton RF Sanchez 1B Maybin CF Baker/Paulino C Pitcher P Otherwise, line-ups could be: Coghlan 3B / Maybin CF / Morrison LF / Hanley SS Morrison LF / Gaby 1B / Maybin CF / Coghlan 3B Hanley SS / Gaby 1B / Morrison LF / Stanton RF Uggla 2B / Stanton RF Stanton RF / Gaby 1B / Morrison LF / Uggla 2B Morrison LF / Gaby 1B / Stanton RF / Coghlan 3B / Maybin CF Morrison LF / Gaby 1B / Coghlan 3B / Maybin CF Baker / Paulino C Pitcher P Shoot, just mix and match, you still have a good line-up either way. Speed at the top [and OBP for three / four of them so far] Power and slugging in the middle Solid end of the line guys.
August 27, 201015 yr So many awesome lineups make me happy. So few awesome starting pitchers make me sad.
August 27, 201015 yr So many awesome lineups make me happy. So few awesome starting pitchers make me sad. Maybe you can point out all of the rotations that are better. Johnson - Nolasco - Sanchez are a pretty good 3 starters. Sanabia looks like he has some good potential. Yeah Volstad sucks, but hopefully they don't have to use him.
August 27, 201015 yr So many awesome lineups make me happy. So few awesome starting pitchers make me sad. Nolasco has had one poor half season over the past 3 seasons. Over that time he's put up whips of 1.1, 1.2, and 1.2, while going 42-25. that's easily #2 caliber. Anibal, not sure how he keeps hanging in there but he's probably sticking around. I do think they could use another guy at the back end if Volstad can't get it together. If either West or Sanabia (or both) can be better than Nate Robertson, there's an improvement already.
August 27, 201015 yr So many awesome lineups make me happy. So few awesome starting pitchers make me sad. Maybe you can point out all of the rotations that are better. Johnson - Nolasco - Sanchez are a pretty good 3 starters. Sanabia looks like he has some good potential. Yeah Volstad sucks, but hopefully they don't have to use him. We're competing with the likes of Halladay/Oswalt/Hamels, Lincecum/Cain/Zito, Carpenter/Wainwright/Garcia, Santana/Pelfrey/Maine, Hanson/Hudson/Lowe/Jurjjens/Minor, Volquez/Cueto/Leake, and Latos/Garland/Leblanc/Richard, and this is just a small part of the national league competition. JJ is good, but Nolasco is too inconsistent to be a #2 and Sanchez is what you should expect from a #3 starter, not to mention we haven't had a consistent 4 or 5 starter for years. We're WAY behind in the starting pitching race in the National League, hell the only top 3 starters we're ahead of in the National League are the Mets and Nationals, and even the Mets is somewhat debatable. Let's face it, this starting pitching core needs an upgrade quick.
August 27, 201015 yr I love how we can look at our team... see good pitchers and good bats... but somehow there is always something wrong with it. And when it's not the bullpen, it always ends up being something else. Dont count out Hensley as a starter next season? Maybe?
August 27, 201015 yr Author Dont count out Hensley as a starter next season? Maybe? Seeing that he's been doing good in that setup role, I say nay. ... As in yes, count him out.
August 27, 201015 yr So many awesome lineups make me happy. So few awesome starting pitchers make me sad. Nolasco has had one poor half season over the past 3 seasons. Over that time he's put up whips of 1.1, 1.2, and 1.2, while going 42-25. that's easily #2 caliber. Anibal, not sure how he keeps hanging in there but he's probably sticking around. I do think they could use another guy at the back end if Volstad can't get it together. If either West or Sanabia (or both) can be better than Nate Robertson, there's an improvement already. Really? All I see from Ricky is he hasn't finished a single season in the majors with an ERA under 3.50, I should mention I don't look at W/L record either when evaluating a pitchers worth. I like what Ricky brings sometimes, but to bank on him being a #2 starter FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON is way too risky. We've done that the last two years, and last year it began horribly and this year it's be a bit rocky, not terrible, but not great and certainly not #2 caliber. He's gives up too many home runs, and while he doesn't walk many hitters, too many times he gives up runs in large spurts. Again, never said Ricky is a bad pitcher, just inconsistent and not a guy I want to be waiting on to be our #2 forever.
August 27, 201015 yr Author All I see from Ricky is he hasn't finished a single season in the majors with an ERA under 3.50 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 3.50-4.00 area isn't exactly "bad" is it? I thought it was actually considered around average. Maybe not for a #2, but it's not horrendous.
August 27, 201015 yr All I see from Ricky is he hasn't finished a single season in the majors with an ERA under 3.50 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 3.50-4.00 area isn't exactly "bad" is it? I thought it was actually considered around average. Maybe not for a #2, but it's not horrendous. My point being he's not #2. I like Ricky on the team, I just don't project him to be a long term #2 like many on this board and in the Marlins front office currently do. Ricky's great one day and terrible another. If I can see some consistency one way or another it would be great. Basically, I'm in a wait and see mode with Ricky, although I very much hope the Marlins in the offseason look for some good, cheap pitching options that have a chance to immediately come in and produce like a #2 guy.
August 27, 201015 yr Author My point being he's not #2. I like Ricky on the team, I just don't project him to be a long term #2 like many on this board and in the Marlins front office currently do. Ricky's great one day and terrible another. If I can see some consistency one way or another it would be great. Basically, I'm in a wait and see mode with Ricky, although I very much hope the Marlins in the offseason look for some good, cheap pitching options that have a chance to immediately come in and produce like a #2 guy. So you're thinking, long-term, maybe more a 3 or 4 guy?
August 27, 201015 yr I'm thinking he's got the stuff to be a #2, I just need to see consistency from him. Without that consistency, he's nothing more than a #3, but I think Ricky Nolasco is a #2 caliber pitcher, he just needs to put it all together at some point for an entire season.
August 27, 201015 yr Author Understandable. Any top pitching prospects that haven't had a shot yet in the bigs that look promising?
August 27, 201015 yr All I see from Ricky is he hasn't finished a single season in the majors with an ERA under 3.50 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 3.50-4.00 area isn't exactly "bad" is it? I thought it was actually considered around average. Maybe not for a #2, but it's not horrendous. Ricky is 4.22 this year and over 5.00 last year. Thats not close to 3.50-4.00
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