November 17, 201015 yr ORLANDO, Fla. -- New Arizona GM Kevin Towers makes it his policy to determine the interest level of all of his players and so he is sizing up what he could get for his best youngster -- Justin Upton. A small canvassing of executives said they viewed the early favorites to land Upton as the Marlins and Rays, though the Yankees and Red Sox were cited as teams to watch. "He would be a tough guy to move," Towers said of Upton, who is 23 and hit 17 homers and stole 18 bases last year. "But you always seek out the information on what teams will do because you never know if, to get one player, a team will grossly overpay." Arizona badly wants to rebuild its bullpen, add to its rotation and address first base. The Marlins were described by one official with knowledge of the Diamondbacks' plans as having the most interest in Upton for a while. Florida is among the organizations that most favors scouting and tools, and one AL personnel man described Upton as "a tool shed." With a new ballpark due to open in 2012, the Marlins could in theory try to build around two of the most interesting young outfielders in the game, Upton and their own Mike Stanton. One executive even suggested a package of outfield prospect Logan Morrison and righty Ricky Nolasco, who has won at least 13 games three straight seasons, would probably get a deal done. Upton was described by officials as possessing qualities that Tampa loves: His best years are in theory ahead of him and he is signed to a reasonable contract (five years at $49.5 million left). The Rays are going to lose free agent outfielder Carl Crawford. And the fringe benefit is Tampa would be willing to see if having his hard-charging younger brother would motivate the enigmatic B.J. Upton to play harder and better. The Yankees are intriguing because Towers worked for them last year and knows their talent well and likes certain players such as Jesus Montero, Manuel Banuelos, Hector Noesi and Slade Heathcott. But for the Yanks to get involved for Justin Upton, they would probably have to have struck out with Cliff Lee and be thinking of using a current outfielder as part of a trade for a starter. The Red Sox are intriguing because they have been focused on free-agent outfielders Crawford and, particularly, Jayson Werth. But what if they, say, did something like traded Clay Buchholz for Upton and then signed Lee. The question would be would they be better off with Werth and Buchholz or Upton and Lee, especially since they would devastate the Yankees by taking Lee away. However, a person familiar with Boston's thinking said the Red Sox are worried about Upton's left shoulder after labrum surgery, and also what it would mean to have so much long-term money tied up in three older starters: Lee, Josh Beckett and John Lackey. * The Braves were viewed as players for Upton because they craved righty power. But instead they got what GM Frank Wrendescribed as "the No.1 guy on our board," Dan Uggla, yesterday in a trade from Florida for Omar Infante and Mike Dunn(one of the three pieces Atlanta had received from the Yanks for Javier Vazquez). Florida signed catcher John Buck to a three-year, $18 million contract. Boston was thought to be in the mix, but viewed Buck more as a backup and not someone to go three years with. St. Louis had prioritized a middle infielder and a starting pitcher, and got the pitcher by retaining Jake Westbrook on a two-year, $17.5 million contract. * Major league officials walked away from a day of meetings with GMs feeling there was not a consensus on how to add a second wild card in each league, making it highly unlikely anything will be done for the 2011 season. The majority wanted the second wild card, but the infighting was whether the two wild-card teams should play a one-game playoff or a best-of-three to move into the Division Series. Those who wanted one game felt it boosted drama without adding too many extra days to the playoff schedule. Those who favored a best-of-three were concerned that, for example, a wild card that won 95 games could lose one game to a wild card that won 85 games and be eliminated for simply having one bad day, which would be unfair with that kind of victory disparity. When it came to instant replay, there was sentiment to add fair-foul line calls to what can be challenged. But, again, that now also seems more likely to -- as with the extra wild card -- be tabled to part of overall negotiations with the players as part of a new collective bargaining agreement, since the current one runs out after the 2011 campaign. The GMs were more unified in authorizing ownership to make a hard slotting system for the draft and a worldwide draft firm issues they want as part of the new CBA. http://www.nypost.co...91uLiQ75ADlHiNP Don't think this happens. Personally I don't mind moving Nolasco, but not Morrison.
November 17, 201015 yr ORLANDO, Fla. -- New Arizona GM Kevin Towers makes it his policy to determine the interest level of all of his players and so he is sizing up what he could get for his best youngster -- Justin Upton. A small canvassing of executives said they viewed the early favorites to land Upton as the Marlins and Rays, though the Yankees and Red Sox were cited as teams to watch. "He would be a tough guy to move," Towers said of Upton, who is 23 and hit 17 homers and stole 18 bases last year. "But you always seek out the information on what teams will do because you never know if, to get one player, a team will grossly overpay." Arizona badly wants to rebuild its bullpen, add to its rotation and address first base. The Marlins were described by one official with knowledge of the Diamondbacks' plans as having the most interest in Upton for a while. Florida is among the organizations that most favors scouting and tools, and one AL personnel man described Upton as "a tool shed." With a new ballpark due to open in 2012, the Marlins could in theory try to build around two of the most interesting young outfielders in the game, Upton and their own Mike Stanton. One executive even suggested a package of outfield prospect Logan Morrison and righty Ricky Nolasco, who has won at least 13 games three straight seasons, would probably get a deal done. Upton was described by officials as possessing qualities that Tampa loves: His best years are in theory ahead of him and he is signed to a reasonable contract (five years at $49.5 million left). The Rays are going to lose free agent outfielder Carl Crawford. And the fringe benefit is Tampa would be willing to see if having his hard-charging younger brother would motivate the enigmatic B.J. Upton to play harder and better. The Yankees are intriguing because Towers worked for them last year and knows their talent well and likes certain players such as Jesus Montero, Manuel Banuelos, Hector Noesi and Slade Heathcott. But for the Yanks to get involved for Justin Upton, they would probably have to have struck out with Cliff Lee and be thinking of using a current outfielder as part of a trade for a starter. The Red Sox are intriguing because they have been focused on free-agent outfielders Crawford and, particularly, Jayson Werth. But what if they, say, did something like traded Clay Buchholz for Upton and then signed Lee. The question would be would they be better off with Werth and Buchholz or Upton and Lee, especially since they would devastate the Yankees by taking Lee away. However, a person familiar with Boston's thinking said the Red Sox are worried about Upton's left shoulder after labrum surgery, and also what it would mean to have so much long-term money tied up in three older starters: Lee, Josh Beckett and John Lackey. * The Braves were viewed as players for Upton because they craved righty power. But instead they got what GM Frank Wrendescribed as "the No.1 guy on our board," Dan Uggla, yesterday in a trade from Florida for Omar Infante and Mike Dunn(one of the three pieces Atlanta had received from the Yanks for Javier Vazquez). Florida signed catcher John Buck to a three-year, $18 million contract. Boston was thought to be in the mix, but viewed Buck more as a backup and not someone to go three years with. St. Louis had prioritized a middle infielder and a starting pitcher, and got the pitcher by retaining Jake Westbrook on a two-year, $17.5 million contract. * Major league officials walked away from a day of meetings with GMs feeling there was not a consensus on how to add a second wild card in each league, making it highly unlikely anything will be done for the 2011 season. The majority wanted the second wild card, but the infighting was whether the two wild-card teams should play a one-game playoff or a best-of-three to move into the Division Series. Those who wanted one game felt it boosted drama without adding too many extra days to the playoff schedule. Those who favored a best-of-three were concerned that, for example, a wild card that won 95 games could lose one game to a wild card that won 85 games and be eliminated for simply having one bad day, which would be unfair with that kind of victory disparity. When it came to instant replay, there was sentiment to add fair-foul line calls to what can be challenged. But, again, that now also seems more likely to -- as with the extra wild card -- be tabled to part of overall negotiations with the players as part of a new collective bargaining agreement, since the current one runs out after the 2011 campaign. The GMs were more unified in authorizing ownership to make a hard slotting system for the draft and a worldwide draft firm issues they want as part of the new CBA. http://www.nypost.co...91uLiQ75ADlHiNP Don't think this happens. Personally I don't mind moving Nolasco, but not Morrison. Give me Justin Upton over Morrison any day...and I'm a Morrison fan.
November 17, 201015 yr I would trade Morrison and Nolasco for Upton in a second. And then use the money ear marked for Nolasco (about $6 million), use that with additional Dan Uggla money ($3 million) to sign a right handed starting pitcher. Can anyone say Pavano? Losing Morrison hurts, but we'd have the best corner outfielders in baseball. Literally. Gaby is going to be a solid pro, and we are developing Yelich now for 3-4 years down the road to replace Gaby basically. This ain't a big deal. Upton is amazing. We'd be so lucky. Add in Nunez too, and just take back some stuff in A ball. This is a no brainer if they can use the Nolasco/Uggla leftover money on a right handed starter, which they easily could do in my opinion.
November 17, 201015 yr Upton is a unique talent, similar to Stanton. This is a no brainer, although I would hope the plan isn't to replace Nolasco with Pavano.
November 17, 201015 yr Author I don't know. Getting Upton would be friggin huge, I would just hate losing Morrison. I still doubt this will even happen though. It's actually nice to be involved in talks like this for a change.
November 17, 201015 yr Upton, Hanley, Stanton is a pretty insane thought. What does Upton's ceiling figure to be anyway?
November 17, 201015 yr I don't know. Getting Upton would be friggin huge, I would just hate losing Morrison. I still doubt this will even happen though. It's actually nice to be involved in talks like this for a change. Yeah, for all the hate towards the FO for the Uggla trade, it does seem like we are wheelin and dealin this off season. I'd hate to see Morrison go though, he seems like a good kid, nice guy to root for.
November 17, 201015 yr I would absolutely love this ONLY if we signed a legit SP to replace Nolasco. Upton is also signed to a reasonable deal and provides speed and power. Having said that, I would miss Logan's patience at the plate, although it's not as if he is contributing much defensively right now in LF.
November 17, 201015 yr I don't know. Getting Upton would be friggin huge, I would just hate losing Morrison. I still doubt this will even happen though. It's actually nice to be involved in talks like this for a change. Yeah, for all the hate towards the FO for the Uggla trade, it does seem like we are wheelin and dealin this off season. I'd hate to see Morrison go though, he seems like a good kid, nice guy to root for. I lagree that Morrison would be a guy I'd hate to part with, but for a talent of Upton's caliber it would be a no brainer.
November 17, 201015 yr LoMo ain't going anywhere. Gaby, Ricky, Badenhop, Nunez, Hensley, Sanabia - Take any three.
November 17, 201015 yr Upton, Hanley, Stanton is a pretty insane thought. What does Upton's ceiling figure to be anyway? Ceiling? 40 homers, .950+ OPS, gold glove defense, 20+ steals Knock that down to 30, .875, above average, and 12, and I think he's still worth it. Morrison ain't going to hit for this kind of power.
November 17, 201015 yr I would trade Morrison and Nolasco for Upton in a second. And then use the money ear marked for Nolasco (about $6 million), use that with additional Dan Uggla money ($3 million) to sign a right handed starting pitcher. Can anyone say Pavano? Losing Morrison hurts, but we'd have the best corner outfielders in baseball. Literally. Gaby is going to be a solid pro, and we are developing Yelich now for 3-4 years down the road to replace Gaby basically. This ain't a big deal. Upton is amazing. We'd be so lucky. Add in Nunez too, and just take back some stuff in A ball. This is a no brainer if they can use the Nolasco/Uggla leftover money on a right handed starter, which they easily could do in my opinion. I could be wrong...but won't some of that $6 million ear marked for Nolasco or Uggla money have to go to make up the difference between Morrison and Upton? Forgive me, if I'm way off on this one.
November 17, 201015 yr I would love to hear some reasons from the guys who wouldn't give up LoMo for Upton.
November 17, 201015 yr I would love to hear some reasons from the guys who wouldn't give up LoMo for Upton. OBP, and more consistent hitter.
November 17, 201015 yr I mean, I'd do this trade any day of the week...I doubt that Beinfest can pull this one out because it would be too much of a coup for anyone but we've seen him do marvelous stuff before...
November 17, 201015 yr I should add that Upton is under club control through 2015 and signed to a very friendly contract. Plus he is EXACTLY the same age as Morrison...to the day.
November 17, 201015 yr LoMo ain't going anywhere. Gaby, Ricky, Badenhop, Nunez, Hensley, Sanabia - Take any three. Lolza
November 17, 201015 yr Who would play RF though? That's a tough one. Upton should play CF IMO since he has better speed.
November 17, 201015 yr CF Upton LF Coghlan SS Hanley RF Stanton 1B Sanchez 2B Infante C Buck 3B Dominguez P
November 17, 201015 yr I would trade Morrison and Nolasco for Upton in a second. And then use the money ear marked for Nolasco (about $6 million), use that with additional Dan Uggla money ($3 million) to sign a right handed starting pitcher. Can anyone say Pavano? Losing Morrison hurts, but we'd have the best corner outfielders in baseball. Literally. Gaby is going to be a solid pro, and we are developing Yelich now for 3-4 years down the road to replace Gaby basically. This ain't a big deal. Upton is amazing. We'd be so lucky. Add in Nunez too, and just take back some stuff in A ball. This is a no brainer if they can use the Nolasco/Uggla leftover money on a right handed starter, which they easily could do in my opinion. I could be wrong...but won't some of that $6 million ear marked for Nolasco or Uggla money have to go to make up the difference between Morrison and Upton? Forgive me, if I'm way off on this one. It was reported payroll will be $53-55. Currently, if we go in as is right now, payroll will be about $46.5, so we have around $6.5-8 to spend right now. Minus Nolasco, who is ear marked around $6 through arbitration, we have $12.5-14 to spend. Upton is $4.25 in 2011, so we're talking an $8-10 million pitcher to replace Nolasco. That is easily a quality 180-200 innings with this market. The side effect is - Sanabia/West is your 5th starter, you can't afford Ohman/another veteran lefty and have to go with Richardson/Jennings/Veteran Vagabond along with Dunn in your pen, and you have to have two club controlled options on the bench versus a lefty. So to get Upton, you sacrifice a little depth, but it literally is the last guy in your bullpen, two last guys on your bench, and 5th starter. Not exactly your key performers.
November 17, 201015 yr Id rather find a way to move less developed prospects (even though beggars cant be choosers). I want LoMo.
November 17, 201015 yr what will take for marlins to make good deal all i seen other team getting better deal?
November 17, 201015 yr LoMo ain't going anywhere. Gaby, Ricky, Badenhop, Nunez, Hensley, Sanabia - Take any three. Lolza OK, any four. And throw in Villanueva and Koehler and Ceda. OK, any five.
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