Not.

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/09/2539494/miami-marlins-stadium-to-open.html#disqus_thread

 

love some of the comments too.

I 'liked':

"What a joke. Bunch of morons running the show."

 

 

that's about what I think in a nutshell

Just like a couple of us have said in the past....If you put in neighborhood type retaurants and bars and then expect people from other neighborhoods that have the same type establishments to support them, it has failure written all over it. I just can't see those type of businesses falling for that thinking. And evidently they haven't. The city needs to rethink their plans/goals of those spaces. You just can't force feed a neighborhood demographic those kinds of places they can't really afford to go to just because you say it will work.

From what I can tell on the webcam, the storefronts look nice. It looks like they are really thin to make this stadium and the surrounding area a pretty awesome environment.

I haven't seen all the available spaces that they have for rent. Do they have spaces big enough for say an ale house? I think an ale house there would probably do pretty good?

I haven't seen all the available spaces that they have for rent. Do they have spaces big enough for say an ale house? I think an ale house there would probably do pretty good?

 

 

No. There are a few that are big, but most are pretty small...

However, at the insistence of Commissioner Frank Carollo, whose district includes the stadium, administrators dropped the idea of mixing in local services and retail — aiming instead for a higher-end entertainment district focused on dining and drinking. City administrators and Carollo acknowledge Miami conducted no study or analysis before embarking on his strategy.

 

great thinking!

Close enough for government work.

The hell with this article and any article that bashes our beautiful new stadium. They still haven't gotten over the fact that Loria and Company pulled it off. The fact of the matter is that the only thing the Marlins had any control over was the construction and the cost over runs. The stadium is being delivered on time and on budget after so many know it alls (in the media) claimed that it couldn't be done on that budget. The only Stadium news that matters is that we have a NEW stadium with a roof, and that the Marlins aren't going anywhere for 30 years.. Any other stadium news is just blah blah blah!

 

By the way, this is not directed towards the poster. You are just posting an article. I've just had it with the stadium bashers in the media and elsewhere. I figured by now the issue would have been put to rest.

From what I've heard, the Marlins have rented out (or will have them rented by April) the spaces that they control. This article is about the city's spaces and when I talked to someone moths ago about the garages, they said the city had no clue what they were doing. They said if the team was allowed to rent out those spaces, they'd be filled already.

There's already an alehouse nearby. Not that close, but on Miracle Mile. It's not too far, though. But I do believe an Ale House could possibly do pretty good. But if that was the case, they'd probably rent out the space on the stadium front that was mentioned in the article.

So they won't have restaurants in the garages right away. Who cares?

"restaurant installation would necessitate breaking through a structural support slab to install grease traps, "

I remember an interview with Samson when he got excited and specifically mentioned that stadium planning "has gotten so specific" that they're even "plotting the location of grease traps and exhaust hoods." So with that in mind how the f*** did this happen?

 

Second, I agree with this article. I love our stadium, but I think trying to just implant a thriving, colorful entertainment district overnight is always illfated. I hate redevelopment boards. ...you think the neighborhood is gonna come out to whatever Planet Hollywood opens up next door? All these boards ever do is jack up rent so high that the only folks who can move in to do business are big money. Do we really want that gameday experience to be defined by a Sportzone, Pollo Tropical, or Ale House? Waiter service fast food? f*** you, seriously! Where the f*** do these knuckleheads get their ideas? We might as well open a Marlins themed Mcdonalds (Billy will make the fries on saturdays!), Margaritaville, Burlington Coat Factory, and a Walmart then call it a day.

 

I think they should, for a time, depress the costs of overhead and open up renting to a forum of small business folks who can pitch their plans to the community. Try some new sh*t out, make the area an incubator for awesome new ideas. And throw in a couple of dive bars! In sports, they are the primordial ooze in the cultural evolution of local fandom.

I laughed when I read the title, when I drive to see the Marlins I'm not going to think oh I can't wait to get some coffee before the game at the garage cafe shops. WTF.

I laughed when I read the title, when I drive to see the Marlins I'm not going to think oh I can't wait to get some coffee before the game at the garage cafe shops. WTF.

 

Not yet atleast.

 

Samson is right, if the team were allowed to lease the spots, the city would have a huge weight lifted off their shoulder. The Marlins should have found tenants for the city to make money off of.

 

The main issue at hand is the fact that mid-development the city switched gears from a shops and restaurant format to a high end boutique. That will doom the opening day.

 

What's best right now is to get anyone in there right now, even at a loss. Bring in a few shops, and a restaurant or coffee shop. Get some buzz generating there, and fill it up. Sign them all to one year leases, with an option for them to resign at a higher rate after one year and continue on one year leases.

 

Only problem is they haven't even drawn lease agreements to present. This government is really screwing the pooch.

 

What do you guys thing will come of it. A few shops like the pharmacy (maybe Walgreens or CVS), a starbucks, maybe a bar (No cooked foods, similar to the outdoor bar in bayside) and a Miami Heat/ Miami Dolphins team store for now will work.

 

I really wish I could spearhead the finding of tenants for that area. It may not be the best least agreements for the first year, but they would fully operational by Feburary 1st.

I laughed when I read the title, when I drive to see the Marlins I'm not going to think oh I can't wait to get some coffee before the game at the garage cafe shops. WTF.

 

Not yet atleast.

 

Samson is right, if the team were allowed to lease the spots, the city would have a huge weight lifted off their shoulder. The Marlins should have found tenants for the city to make money off of.

 

The main issue at hand is the fact that mid-development the city switched gears from a shops and restaurant format to a high end boutique. That will doom the opening day.

 

What's best right now is to get anyone in there right now, even at a loss. Bring in a few shops, and a restaurant or coffee shop. Get some buzz generating there, and fill it up. Sign them all to one year leases, with an option for them to resign at a higher rate after one year and continue on one year leases.

 

Only problem is they haven't even drawn lease agreements to present. This government is really screwing the pooch.

 

What do you guys thing will come of it. A few shops like the pharmacy (maybe Walgreens or CVS), a starbucks, maybe a bar (No cooked foods, similar to the outdoor bar in bayside) and a Miami Heat/ Miami Dolphins team store for now will work.

 

I really wish I could spearhead the finding of tenants for that area. It may not be the best least agreements for the first year, but they would fully operational by Feburary 1st.

 

I don't understand. Who wants to go to shopping at a high end boutique in a stadium garage before a game? Is the idea for it to be open year round? (I haven't really kept up that much with the specific details of the stadium.

Those spaces will be occupied but not by high end shops and eatrries. This was pretty obvious to me when they were trying to get the ballpark passed.

 

All they need to do is come closer to market rates per sqft and businesses will come.

 

 

But that's the whole problem, the City idiots have messed around so long, nothing is being done, because they are holding out for some pie-in-the-sky high end joints and that is just NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Now its basically too late, and as was said in the article, the chance has been blown about getting people to come back on non-game days to help the economy in the area.

 

I hope someone who is running the stadium concessions and they order extra food sees this, or we could be looking at a shortage of food & drinks available for opening day. Now talk about a PR disaster that would be one. It has the possibility of taking away what should be a crowning & glorious day for the Marlins.

So they won't have restaurants in the garages right away. Who cares?

 

 

Probably a lot of folks, since it will mean that everyone that wants to eat, will have to stand in line inside the stadium, and that will lead to longer lines, food & drinks selling out quicker than they would have, and making for some unpleasantness, all of which may make some people think twice about going back to another game. It won't be the only reason they may not return, but it could be a factor.

 

Such a shame but you should have expected this, its the City of Miami running this, possibly the worst run city ever.

So they won't have restaurants in the garages right away. Who cares?

 

 

Probably a lot of folks, since it will mean that everyone that wants to eat, will have to stand in line inside the stadium, and that will lead to longer lines, food & drinks selling out quicker than they would have, and making for some unpleasantness, all of which may make some people think twice about going back to another game. It won't be the only reason they may not return, but it could be a factor.

 

Such a shame but you should have expected this, its the City of Miami running this, possibly the worst run city ever.

 

Wait, isn't the dry run of the Yankees game supposed to expose all these flaws so they have time to address this?

"restaurant installation would necessitate breaking through a structural support slab to install grease traps, "

I remember an interview with Samson when he got excited and specifically mentioned that stadium planning "has gotten so specific" that they're even "plotting the location of grease traps and exhaust hoods." So with that in mind how the f*** did this happen?

 

 

I think this has to do with the restaurants OUTSIDE of the stadium, which the Marlins have no control of. That's how this happens, you put it in the hands of the City of Miami, and who should have thought anything different would have happened ?

I don't understand. Who wants to go to shopping at a high end boutique in a stadium garage before a game? Is the idea for it to be open year round? (I haven't really kept up that much with the specific details of the stadium.

 

 

Well that's the whole problem. Yes these are supposed to be shops and restaurants that are supposed to be open all year, not just on game-day. The City of Miami has some one on their high-horse that thinks they are going to get high-end tenants in there and that is just not happening. Its just laughable. But not surprising at all.

Only 6 spaces are available.

 

http://www.terranovacorp.com/miami-marlins-stadium-retail-69

Those spaces will be occupied but not by high end shops and eatrries. This was pretty obvious to me when they were trying to get the ballpark passed.

 

All they need to do is come closer to market rates per sqft and businesses will come.

 

 

But that's the whole problem, the City idiots have messed around so long, nothing is being done, because they are holding out for some pie-in-the-sky high end joints and that is just NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Now its basically too late, and as was said in the article, the chance has been blown about getting people to come back on non-game days to help the economy in the area.

 

I hope someone who is running the stadium concessions and they order extra food sees this, or we could be looking at a shortage of food & drinks available for opening day. Now talk about a PR disaster that would be one. It has the possibility of taking away what should be a crowning & glorious day for the Marlins.

I dont see how the chance has been blown. Its not like if it all wasnt ready day one then no one was ever going to come back. There is time to find tenants.

 

Why would the ballpark run out of food? Lol that is some retarded thinking right there.

You mean they're not going to bring in fresh food daily?

I laughed when I read the title, when I drive to see the Marlins I'm not going to think oh I can't wait to get some coffee before the game at the garage cafe shops. WTF.

 

Not yet atleast.

 

Samson is right, if the team were allowed to lease the spots, the city would have a huge weight lifted off their shoulder. The Marlins should have found tenants for the city to make money off of.

 

The main issue at hand is the fact that mid-development the city switched gears from a shops and restaurant format to a high end boutique. That will doom the opening day.

 

What's best right now is to get anyone in there right now, even at a loss. Bring in a few shops, and a restaurant or coffee shop. Get some buzz generating there, and fill it up. Sign them all to one year leases, with an option for them to resign at a higher rate after one year and continue on one year leases.

 

Only problem is they haven't even drawn lease agreements to present. This government is really screwing the pooch.

 

What do you guys thing will come of it. A few shops like the pharmacy (maybe Walgreens or CVS), a starbucks, maybe a bar (No cooked foods, similar to the outdoor bar in bayside) and a Miami Heat/ Miami Dolphins team store for now will work.

 

I really wish I could spearhead the finding of tenants for that area. It may not be the best least agreements for the first year, but they would fully operational by Feburary 1st.

I'm no expert, but I doubt many businesses would actually sign a 1-year lease with no other assurances; the risk of losing immense sunk costs would probably outweigh most rent savings the city might offer.

When I visit next summer, I would have liked to walk around a to through a few stores. I like the idea Piazza had of adding a few local team stores. I know alot of you are downplaying the shops by saying they are in a parking garage like its a bad thing, but they look nice to me. They seem to be doing a good job of creating a nice environment.