JJ could be traded, and this is my worry. JJ is a good if not great pitcher, he could come back to the level he was a few years ago. JJ is the marlins Ace, and unless we get 6 or 7 top prospects I would rather take his starts next year

Welcome, Sumlit!

 

 

Hey thanks! Been browsing the site for over a year, but i suffer a bit of Hanley syndrome when it comes to posting, i'm lazy.

@ El Penguino

His value is at it's lowest because he's not hitting well or fielding well. His OPS is at .750, which is the lowest of his career when starting the entire season. You can only get so much back by playing the change of scenery card. Teams are going to look at his salary and production and will refuse to give up much. You compare what we could get back to what we will and it's no question his value is at its lowest.

 

I disagree that he's likely to struggle again next season. Right now he's suffering from a low BABIP. His other advanced numbers are in line with his career averages or close to it except for his BABIP, which is at .273. His career BABIP is .333. He may not be a .950 OPS hitter again but he sure as hell isn't a .750 OPS hitter.

 

His value is at the lowest it's been so far in his career, but it's silly to expect it to improve in the future. There is really no indication that better offensive production around the corner. It's grasping at straws to say he's unlucky because of a .271 BABIP--that's below league average, but not a terrible outlier. If you are going to project a discernibly better offensive season in 2013, you'll have to make a stronger case than that.

 

The Marlins are never going to get peak value for Hanley anymore. He's basically a sunk cost. With his 2011-2012 numbers being more likely repeated in 2013 than his 2007-2010 performance, it makes sense to cut their losses if they can find a buyer.

 

His value can absolutely go lower.

 

Also the talent they get in return isn't necessarily what's most important. They could save a ton of money if they can move most of that contract, which could be reinvested into the team more efficiently.

Welcome, Sumlit!

 

 

Hey thanks! Been browsing the site for over a year, but i suffer a bit of Hanley syndrome when it comes to posting, i'm lazy.

 

You're going to fit in well with the senior crowd.

Welcome, Sumlit!

 

 

Hey thanks! Been browsing the site for over a year, but i suffer a bit of Hanley syndrome when it comes to posting, i'm lazy.

Ha!

Welcome.

@ El Penguino

His value is at it's lowest because he's not hitting well or fielding well. His OPS is at .750, which is the lowest of his career when starting the entire season. You can only get so much back by playing the change of scenery card. Teams are going to look at his salary and production and will refuse to give up much. You compare what we could get back to what we will and it's no question his value is at its lowest.

 

I disagree that he's likely to struggle again next season. Right now he's suffering from a low BABIP. His other advanced numbers are in line with his career averages or close to it except for his BABIP, which is at .273. His career BABIP is .333. He may not be a .950 OPS hitter again but he sure as hell isn't a .750 OPS hitter.

 

His value is at the lowest it's been so far in his career, but it's silly to expect it to improve in the future. There is really no indication that better offensive production around the corner. It's grasping at straws to say he's unlucky because of a .271 BABIP--that's below league average, but not a terrible outlier. If you are going to project a discernibly better offensive season in 2013, you'll have to make a stronger case than that.

 

The Marlins are never going to get peak value for Hanley anymore. He's basically a sunk cost. With his 2011-2012 numbers being more likely repeated in 2013 than his 2007-2010 performance, it makes sense to cut their losses if they can find a buyer.

 

His value can absolutely go lower.

 

His BABIP is about 60 points lower than his career average. That is huge. That's a case on its own. I already explained how is other advanced stats are in line or close to his career averages. His BABIP will not be this low forever. It will raise and so will his offensive production. He's just getting unlucky.

 

They may not get what they could have, but they can definitely get more than they can now. If they trade him now it's just to shed salary. We won't get anything significant back.

 

You could do both in one trade. Shed salary and get prospects back. You probably won't have that privilege if you trade him now.

@ El Penguino

His value is at it's lowest because he's not hitting well or fielding well. His OPS is at .750, which is the lowest of his career when starting the entire season. You can only get so much back by playing the change of scenery card. Teams are going to look at his salary and production and will refuse to give up much. You compare what we could get back to what we will and it's no question his value is at its lowest.

 

I disagree that he's likely to struggle again next season. Right now he's suffering from a low BABIP. His other advanced numbers are in line with his career averages or close to it except for his BABIP, which is at .273. His career BABIP is .333. He may not be a .950 OPS hitter again but he sure as hell isn't a .750 OPS hitter.

 

His value is at the lowest it's been so far in his career, but it's silly to expect it to improve in the future. There is really no indication that better offensive production around the corner. It's grasping at straws to say he's unlucky because of a .271 BABIP--that's below league average, but not a terrible outlier. If you are going to project a discernibly better offensive season in 2013, you'll have to make a stronger case than that.

 

The Marlins are never going to get peak value for Hanley anymore. He's basically a sunk cost. With his 2011-2012 numbers being more likely repeated in 2013 than his 2007-2010 performance, it makes sense to cut their losses if they can find a buyer.

 

His value can absolutely go lower.

 

Also the talent they get in return isn't necessarily what's most important. They could save a ton of money if they can move most of that contract, which could be reinvested into the team more efficiently.

Trade HR now.

Acquire Next year.

We might as well unload the boat at this point.

 

Now what I mean by that is trade the assets that should be traded. Not just trade everyone.

Took squall's suggestion, made an account.

 

This trade needed to be done. Team is going nowhere this season, so might as well get something from Anibal before he becomes a freeagent. Sorry to see Infante go, i liked the way he played, specially defensively. However, by himself, he is no game changers. Now, it only remains to be seen if the prospects pan out, something the Marlins have a pretty crappy record on.

 

As far as Hanley, trade his lazy azz. Don't give me the "bad decision, his value is low now." Hanley was supposedly "motivated" this season to prove his critics wrong, and not even that was enough to make him work a little bit harder to get better.

 

He won't return to that player he once was, he is too lazy, and every year that passes by without Marlins trading him is just another year removed from when he was valuable. Cut your loses while you still can.

 

 

Welcome!!

McKEON is in the crowd To TAKE OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McKEON is in the crowd To TAKE OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

What the point of paying ozzie to sit on the side lines for the rest of the year when we are waving the white flag?

@ El Penguino

His value is at it's lowest because he's not hitting well or fielding well. His OPS is at .750, which is the lowest of his career when starting the entire season. You can only get so much back by playing the change of scenery card. Teams are going to look at his salary and production and will refuse to give up much. You compare what we could get back to what we will and it's no question his value is at its lowest.

 

I disagree that he's likely to struggle again next season. Right now he's suffering from a low BABIP. His other advanced numbers are in line with his career averages or close to it except for his BABIP, which is at .273. His career BABIP is .333. He may not be a .950 OPS hitter again but he sure as hell isn't a .750 OPS hitter.

 

His value is at the lowest it's been so far in his career, but it's silly to expect it to improve in the future. There is really no indication that better offensive production around the corner. It's grasping at straws to say he's unlucky because of a .271 BABIP--that's below league average, but not a terrible outlier. If you are going to project a discernibly better offensive season in 2013, you'll have to make a stronger case than that.

 

The Marlins are never going to get peak value for Hanley anymore. He's basically a sunk cost. With his 2011-2012 numbers being more likely repeated in 2013 than his 2007-2010 performance, it makes sense to cut their losses if they can find a buyer.

 

His value can absolutely go lower.

 

His BABIP is about 60 points lower than his career average. That is huge. That's a case on its own. I already explained how is other advanced stats are in line or close to his career averages. His BABIP will not be this low forever. It will raise and so will his offensive production. He's just getting unlucky.

 

They may not get what they could have, but they can definitely get more than they can now. If they trade him now it's just to shed salary. We won't get anything significant back.

That doesn't indicate that any offensive improvement is around the corner. Whatever hitting issues he's been having could certainly translate into a lower BABIP. Some of that could explained by the drop in infield hits, probably attributed to a loss of speed not likely to return. He's seemed to make a deliberate effort to become more of a power hitter than a contact guy. It comes as no surprise that his BABIP will be lower than his career numbers.

 

There are a ton of gaps in your reasoning. To say Hanley's problem is just bad luck is pretty poor analysis.

McKEON is in the crowd To TAKE OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

What the point of paying ozzie to sit on the side lines for the rest of the year when we are waving the white flag?

 

Yeah, no way he's displacing Ozzie.

 

Though I wonder what ol' Jack would look like in the new unis.

Though I wonder what ol' Jack would look like in the new unis.

 

 

 

 

Courtesy of HollyBerry.

**Sarcasm Spoiler** Now watch everyone play above their heads in an effort to get noticed and then get traded off the "Titanic"

McKEON is in the crowd To TAKE OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

What the point of paying ozzie to sit on the side lines for the rest of the year when we are waving the white flag?

 

I like McKeon so I would probably still say something about coming back even if we are near the top. But if there is a question Ozzie really cannot put something together just like Fredi was gutted. If Loria thinks Ozzie isn't cutting it, he'll fire Ozzie. Did Ozzie actually did that well when the team won the World Series OR was Ozzie just in the right place at the right time?

 

Truly I think McKeon has more baseball/coaching knowledge than most managers have in their body.

we should not trade JJ.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/red-sox-scouting-josh-johnson.html

Thanks, Admin.

 

Not too shabby.

@ El Penguino

His value is at it's lowest because he's not hitting well or fielding well. His OPS is at .750, which is the lowest of his career when starting the entire season. You can only get so much back by playing the change of scenery card. Teams are going to look at his salary and production and will refuse to give up much. You compare what we could get back to what we will and it's no question his value is at its lowest.

 

I disagree that he's likely to struggle again next season. Right now he's suffering from a low BABIP. His other advanced numbers are in line with his career averages or close to it except for his BABIP, which is at .273. His career BABIP is .333. He may not be a .950 OPS hitter again but he sure as hell isn't a .750 OPS hitter.

 

His value is at the lowest it's been so far in his career, but it's silly to expect it to improve in the future. There is really no indication that better offensive production around the corner. It's grasping at straws to say he's unlucky because of a .271 BABIP--that's below league average, but not a terrible outlier. If you are going to project a discernibly better offensive season in 2013, you'll have to make a stronger case than that.

 

The Marlins are never going to get peak value for Hanley anymore. He's basically a sunk cost. With his 2011-2012 numbers being more likely repeated in 2013 than his 2007-2010 performance, it makes sense to cut their losses if they can find a buyer.

 

His value can absolutely go lower.

 

His BABIP is about 60 points lower than his career average. That is huge. That's a case on its own. I already explained how is other advanced stats are in line or close to his career averages. His BABIP will not be this low forever. It will raise and so will his offensive production. He's just getting unlucky.

 

They may not get what they could have, but they can definitely get more than they can now. If they trade him now it's just to shed salary. We won't get anything significant back.

That doesn't indicate that any offensive improvement is around the corner. Whatever hitting issues he's been having could certainly translate into a lower BABIP. Some of that could explained by the drop in infield hits, probably attributed to a loss of speed not likely to return. He's seemed to make a deliberate effort to become more of a power hitter than a contact guy. It comes as no surprise that his BABIP will be lower than his career numbers.

 

There are a ton of gaps in your reasoning. To say Hanley's problem is just bad luck is pretty poor analysis.

 

He added weight to become a power hitter in 2009. That season he had a .953 OPS and the next season he had a .853 OPS. That's not why his BABIP has dropped.

 

If you expect his BABIP to stay where it's at, that's fine. I do not.

 

If there are gaps in my argument you've done a horrible job pointing them out. All you've said is you don't expect him to turn the corner.

RH Jacob Turner & C Rob Brantly will be assigned to Triple-A New Orleans; LH Brian Flynn to Double-A Jacksonville.

hey we got Andrew Miller and Mike Rabelo 2.0!!!!!

hey we got Andrew Miller and Mike Rabelo 2.0!!!!!

 

 

That's the spirit.

RH Jacob Turner & C Rob Brantly will be assigned to Triple-A New Orleans; LH Brian Flynn to Double-A Jacksonville.

 

 

Turner shouldn't be down for too long

@ El Penguino

His value is at it's lowest because he's not hitting well or fielding well. His OPS is at .750, which is the lowest of his career when starting the entire season. You can only get so much back by playing the change of scenery card. Teams are going to look at his salary and production and will refuse to give up much. You compare what we could get back to what we will and it's no question his value is at its lowest.

 

I disagree that he's likely to struggle again next season. Right now he's suffering from a low BABIP. His other advanced numbers are in line with his career averages or close to it except for his BABIP, which is at .273. His career BABIP is .333. He may not be a .950 OPS hitter again but he sure as hell isn't a .750 OPS hitter.

 

His value is at the lowest it's been so far in his career, but it's silly to expect it to improve in the future. There is really no indication that better offensive production around the corner. It's grasping at straws to say he's unlucky because of a .271 BABIP--that's below league average, but not a terrible outlier. If you are going to project a discernibly better offensive season in 2013, you'll have to make a stronger case than that.

 

The Marlins are never going to get peak value for Hanley anymore. He's basically a sunk cost. With his 2011-2012 numbers being more likely repeated in 2013 than his 2007-2010 performance, it makes sense to cut their losses if they can find a buyer.

 

His value can absolutely go lower.

 

His BABIP is about 60 points lower than his career average. That is huge. That's a case on its own. I already explained how is other advanced stats are in line or close to his career averages. His BABIP will not be this low forever. It will raise and so will his offensive production. He's just getting unlucky.

 

They may not get what they could have, but they can definitely get more than they can now. If they trade him now it's just to shed salary. We won't get anything significant back.

That doesn't indicate that any offensive improvement is around the corner. Whatever hitting issues he's been having could certainly translate into a lower BABIP. Some of that could explained by the drop in infield hits, probably attributed to a loss of speed not likely to return. He's seemed to make a deliberate effort to become more of a power hitter than a contact guy. It comes as no surprise that his BABIP will be lower than his career numbers.

 

There are a ton of gaps in your reasoning. To say Hanley's problem is just bad luck is pretty poor analysis.

 

He added weight to become a power hitter in 2009. That season he had a .953 OPS and the next season he had a .853 OPS. That's not why his BABIP has dropped.

 

If you expect his BABIP to stay where it's at, that's fine. I do not.

 

If there are gaps in my argument you've done a horrible job pointing them out. All you've said is you don't expect him to turn the corner.

I don't think you can say that his body type is the same in 2012 as it was in 2009, let alone his approach at the plate.

 

What exactly was your justification for his BABIP returning to career averages? You seem to be making that assumption by default merely because it's lower.

 

And you have no response to the fact that his infield hit rate has been cut in half? What about his BB/K rate being it's lowest since 2006 and the K rate increasing considerably from his 2007-2009 prime?

 

From what I can tell, your argument is basically saying that his BABIP is lower from it's prime and thus should be attributed to bad luck and thus will likely improve in 2013. You'll have to do a lot better than that. Please humor me and explain why that BABIP will go back up to the .330 range other than by saying "it's bad luck."

Also remember that Hanley's value probably drops off a bunch more in a year in terms of defense alone. He's a poor third baseman. He probably retains value if a team thinks he can be reverted back to SS. That can probably be done in the immediate future, but less likely a year from now.