... Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Well, when there are only 1.4 million turnstile clicks, HALF of what they expected, regardless of the reason why, it throws all of the financial projections off. Way off. Like into outer space. Less parking revenue, less concession revenue, less revenue from everything that generates revenue. Financial disaster follows. Then a major restructuring happens. Fans get mad and spout off on boards like this. Maybe we should seek the advice of Pittsburgh fans on how to cope with a losing record for 20 consecutive seasons. I'm just looking forward pessimistically here -- not predicting that it will happen. Or, perhaps Cubs fans could tell us all about how it feels not to win a WS since Teddy Roosevelt was in office, 104 years ago. Then again, maybe we don't have it so bad as some may think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbace Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 For the past two days, Loria has proven just how "tone deaf" he really is. It's hard to take the man as credible when he touts how great the young players are...and can't name the starting shortstop and second baseman. If they had come into this season with a $70-75 million payroll, they would not have this serious perception problem. If this team still had Buerhle and JJ in the rotation...or Buerhle in the rotation with Reyes at short....the perception would be way better. Still could have re-tooled, made a trade or two, improved the minor league system...and go into this season with a much more proven major league roster. While going young *might* have been the best move in the 3-5 year "long run", the timing was incredibly poor and was a bad move for the overall health of the franchise. By the way, I think the Marlins made great "in-season" deals last year....they did well getting Turner and Brantley from the Tigers for Annibal/Omar and I have no issue with the Hanley deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 For the past two days, Loria has proven just how "tone deaf" he really is. It's hard to take the man as credible when he touts how great the young players are...and can't name the starting shortstop and second baseman. If they had come into this season with a $70-75 million payroll, they would not have this serious perception problem. If this team still had Buerhle and JJ in the rotation...or Buerhle in the rotation with Reyes at short....the perception would be way better. Still could have re-tooled, made a trade or two, improved the minor league system...and go into this season with a much more proven major league roster. While going young *might* have been the best move in the 3-5 year "long run", the timing was incredibly poor and was a bad move for the overall health of the franchise. By the way, I think the Marlins made great "in-season" deals last year....they did well getting Turner and Brantley from the Tigers for Annibal/Omar and I have no issue with the Hanley deal. All of this. 100%. The timing was horrible and with the bad perception of the franchise already, just hurts worse. In Loria's defense, Huizenga is even more to blame for that bad perception. Huizenga blew up Championship teams before the confetti could be cleaned off the streets of Miami. Nobody can say that Loria didn't put an effort into the 2004 and 2005 teams. So even if Loria makes a sound baseball decision to trade a star player away, the media already is down his throat before the ink is dry. Keeping 2 of JJ Buerhle and Reyes might have helped but who knows. If you are gonna blow it up, might as well go all the way I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 According to that meeting on Monday with "selected media" people........ 12K season tickets were sold last year instead of the advertised 17K. Attendance last year was closer to 1.4 mil (an average of about 17.3K per game) instead of the advertised 2.2 mil (27K per game). The team lost "tens of millions of $$$" last year. About 5K season tickets have been sold this year. It's hard to tell how much of this to actually believe, with the exception of the amount of STs sold this year. Even that I would think is high. But I would guess the actual numbers from last season are somewhere in between. They screwed up royally by openly going after a particular customer base instead of the entire customer base, to the point of insulting that base. How they don't realize this is beyond a sane person's comprehension. Of course it is easy to see why they selected what media members could attend. Why open it up and have to answer the tough questions from media people that could care in the least if they are ever invited back, or that have negative views of this org? If they had just said publicly "we love old people from west palm" I'm SURE attendance would have been through the roof! Of course 2 of the chest thumpers have to chime in. I have no idea why some just refuse to understand you never push any customer base away. Ever. 5K season ticket base this year in a new ball park? Attendance way below predictions last year even before any trade was made? That new ball park smell and the place to be seen sure wore off pretty fast. Thanks for showing us old people "how to attend baseball games." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish4Life Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 It'll be somewhat full 24-28k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 According to that meeting on Monday with "selected media" people........ 12K season tickets were sold last year instead of the advertised 17K. Attendance last year was closer to 1.4 mil (an average of about 17.3K per game) instead of the advertised 2.2 mil (27K per game). The team lost "tens of millions of $$$" last year. About 5K season tickets have been sold this year. It's hard to tell how much of this to actually believe, with the exception of the amount of STs sold this year. Even that I would think is high. But I would guess the actual numbers from last season are somewhere in between. They screwed up royally by openly going after a particular customer base instead of the entire customer base, to the point of insulting that base. How they don't realize this is beyond a sane person's comprehension. Of course it is easy to see why they selected what media members could attend. Why open it up and have to answer the tough questions from media people that could care in the least if they are ever invited back, or that have negative views of this org? If they had just said publicly "we love old people from west palm" I'm SURE attendance would have been through the roof! Of course 2 of the chest thumpers have to chime in. I have no idea why some just refuse to understand you never push any customer base away. Ever. 5K season ticket base this year in a new ball park? Attendance way below predictions last year even before any trade was made? That new ball park smell and the place to be seen sure wore off pretty fast. Thanks for showing us old people "how to attend baseball games." Don't put words in my mouth, I never said how I feel about the county war. I simply marvel at the same ignorant rhetoric you spew every chance you get. Get some new material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batato Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 6K is too much. I wish it were less. I agree with this. Time to say NO. I will go to spring training games...rest will be on TV. Miggy, Sheffield, beckett, L.Hernandez, leiter and even lowell to a certain extent, all hurt to much. O' and lets not forget this last round including johnson : ( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 6K is too much. I wish it were less. I agree with this. Time to say NO. I will go to spring training games...rest will be on TV. Miggy, Sheffield, beckett, L.Hernandez, leiter and even lowell to a certain extent, all hurt to much. O' and lets not forget this last round including johnson : (You do realize Livan, Sheffield, Leiter, were Huizingas fault right... Beckett brought back Hanley and Anibal and Miggy ate his way out of the National League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetle Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Oh, that's precious. Here's a like. Good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Phenom Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 6K is too much. I wish it were less. I agree with this. Time to say NO. I will go to spring training games...rest will be on TV. Miggy, Sheffield, beckett, L.Hernandez, leiter and even lowell to a certain extent, all hurt to much. O' and lets not forget this last round including johnson : (You do realize Livan, Sheffield, Leiter, were Huizingas fault right... Beckett brought back Hanley and Anibal and Miggy ate his way out of the National League. Miggy ate his way out? That's your excuse for the worst trade in MLB history? Lmao some of you crack me up with the excuses to defend horrible moves by this FO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 6K is too much. I wish it were less. I agree with this. Time to say NO. I will go to spring training games...rest will be on TV. Miggy, Sheffield, beckett, L.Hernandez, leiter and even lowell to a certain extent, all hurt to much. O' and lets not forget this last round including johnson : (You do realize Livan, Sheffield, Leiter, were Huizingas fault right... Beckett brought back Hanley and Anibal and Miggy ate his way out of the National League.Miggy ate his way out? That's your excuse for the worst trade in MLB history? Lmao some of you crack me up with the excuses to defend horrible moves by this FO. So you deny he went from 185-255 (listed) and made 23 errors at his only position in 2007? Or the fat fact he eventually became a 1b and DH with the tigers because he was so god damn fat. Some of you crack me up with your blind hate. Miggy's trade was a bad trade, but it wasn't a bad idea to trade his alcoholic, chorizo loving fat ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 First of all, he's hardly DHed for the Tigers. He's been almost entirely a position player for them. He's been a minus defender, but his bat more than makes up for it. He was a 7 WAR player for the last two seasons. He easily could have played in the NL for the last 5 seasons, which probably would have been about the length of a Marlins extension. They made a terrible decision by not buying out his arbitration and extending him for a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 First of all, he's hardly DHed for the Tigers. He's been almost entirely a position player for them. He's been a minus defender, but his bat more than makes up for it. He was a 7 WAR player for the last two seasons. He easily could have played in the NL for the last 5 seasons, which probably would have been about the length of a Marlins extension. They made a terrible decision by not buying out his arbitration and extending him for a few years. He made 23 errors at his primary position and refused to lose weight until he was being traded--- I don't give a shit what you say- those are the facts. He ate his way out of the NL, and the blind hate you and some others have for Loria is pathetic. The fact remains you pay a top 3B way more then an overweight first baseman. What would they have paid him? Outside of having to pay him 3B money when he was an overweight 1B, they have to include a stipend of 3k Arepas a year. Espn article about him http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=2944052&src=desktop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 It's pretty laughable if you think that voicing displeasure with the Marlins for failing to offer a future HOFer and the first triple crown winner in decades a contract extension amounts to "blind hate" for Loria. Second, he never had a "primary position" in his career with the Marlins. The Marlins always moved him to where he was needed. Cabrera made 23 errors at THIRD base. The Marlins could have moved him to first base--where he in fact spent most of the last 5 years with the Tigers. No aspect of Cabrera's performance suggests that he could not have spent the last 5 seasons in the National League. He would have been an incredible asset for them, especially considering that they have had some pretty subpar first basemen over that timespan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Didn't I tell you I don't give a shit what you say, facts are facts. Troll hard bro, troll hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Didn't I tell you I don't give a s*** what you say, facts are facts. Troll hard bro, troll hard. :lol What "facts" run counter to what I'm saying? The Tigers immediately moved him to first base after the 2007 season (23 errors at 3B) and paid him accordingly. Why couldn't an NL team like the Marlins do the same? His defense in 2007 indicates that he needed a position change, not a league change. Your argumentation here already rivals what you said about pitchers pitching around hitters to get to Stanton because he strikes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunMarlin Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The state of the Franchise is quite sad. Tey could not have failed worse with this rebrand. Loria has made poor decisions at every turn. I hate the new logo. I hate the colors. I hate the uniforms. I hate the home run structure and honestly don't care too much for the new ballpark as a whole (granted I've only ever seen it on tv). I hate the front office. I hate the owner. I hate that we continually trade proven talent for unproven. However...I LOVE this team and always will. Just don't expect me to buy any new merchandise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Well, if Loria ever sells, and hopefully he will soon, I have hope that the first thing the new owner will do is go back to the old scheme and old logo, just replace the F with an M. That is all that should have been done in the first place. The black and silver MARLINS on pinstripes were some of the best unis in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunMarlin Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Agreed. I liked when it had the teal outline along with the silver as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I thought that look was ugly for a Miami based team, too much Rockies and White Sox and not enough Miami or Benito Santiago. The current color scheme isn't bad, the logos could have been better but I like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamibaseball Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 i bet more people will be at ballpark doing world baseball Classic games in miami and opener game of marlins i bet Loria would like see ballpark full for marlins games as going to be for world baseball Classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Ramos Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Well, if Loria ever sells, and hopefully he will soon, I have hope that the first thing the new owner will do is go back to the old scheme and old logo, just replace the F with an M. That is all that should have been done in the first place. The black and silver MARLINS on pinstripes were some of the best unis in the league. Yeah, I wish they would have traded the logo and the colors away too (fresh new new start right?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I like our unis better now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I like our unis better now Me too. I prefer the old days with the sleeveless home jersey and the teal inclusion on the uniforms but I'll take our current ones over the 2011 uniforms any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I just cant understand that. These new jerseys and especially the logos are an embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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