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When Solano comes back from the DL we should try and see how Coghlan performs at third base. If we can get Juan Fransisco for nothing I don't mind having some depth in the minors since we don't have that many 3rd base options. I know that Coghlan has played 2nd base before (a harder position) and is athletic enough to play the outfield pretty good or at least average so I don't see why he can't make a transition to third base. We need to keep his bat in the lineup. Now that he is healthy and finally getting an oprotunity he is tearing the cover off the ball like he did as a rookie. It's good to see I know he has alot of faith and it looks like it is paying off. I like to see good people succeed and prove the haters wrong. Fransisco would be good for depth though so yeah if we can get hoim for nothing I'm good with it just not at the expense of playing time for Coghlan or Solano who are better players (proven). Fransisco is terrible defensively.

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I can't wait to see Solano make so many people eat their own words for dinner. Bon apetit everybody hope your hungry.

 

The guy almost hit .300 last year and was heating when he went on the dl. What do you guys want from a second basemen??

 

 

Sigh.

 

I want a lot more than Solano's terrible offense and defense at 2b. So far this year, he's a negative WAR player. His .657 OPS is more in line (if not still too high) with what Solano will do the rest of the year and that's terrible especially considering he's a minus defender. In the minors he never hit .700 OPS or higher once and is extremely unlikely to ever reproduce his line from last year considering he had that unsustainable .357 BABIP. It's not like he has much speed either so he doesn't help their either. The guy stinks and shouldn't be in a mlb starting lineup.

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I can't wait to see Solano make so many people eat their own words for dinner. Bon apetit everybody hope your hungry.

 

The guy almost hit .300 last year and was heating when he went on the dl. What do you guys want from a second basemen??

Sigh.

 

I want a lot more than Solano's terrible offense and defense at 2b. So far this year, he's a negative WAR player. His .657 OPS is more in line (if not still too high) with what Solano will do the rest of the year and that's terrible especially considering he's a minus defender. In the minors he never hit .700 OPS or higher once and is extremely unlikely to ever reproduce his line from last year considering he had that unsustainable .357 BABIP. It's not like he has much speed either so he doesn't help their either. The guy stinks and shouldn't be in a mlb starting lineup.

 

I respect your opinion pollyvonwog but I use my eyes to judge players because ops is unreliable sometimes. Sure it can give you an IDEA of a players ability but it doesn't tell the whole story. If we judge Luis Castillo y his ops nobody here would want him on this team ever and he is probably the player I would compare Solano too the most except for Castillo had better speed out of the box and probably a stronger arm. I use my eyes and old fashioned stats (they worked fine for over 100 years didn't they) and I have been right more often then not. Not always right but nobody is 100% of the time. Give Solano a chance. He defensively passes my eye test and offensively even more. Just take a look and you might see something you missed while looking up his ops.

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You just compared Donovan Solano to Luis Castillo.

 

I know Castillo was a better player without a doubt I'm not saying that they are the same leek of player but they have similar skills. That's not to say that Solano will NEVER become the player that Castillo was but no at this point in his career I can't say he's as good as Castillo was because Luis is probably a first ballot hall of famer.

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OPS aside, and I agree with you a little bit, OPS can be somewhat misleading when judging a player's value to certain aspects - Castillo was more liked because his defense was great [three straight gold gloves 03-05], he had speed, and he got on base at a pretty good rate. He was also patient and knew how to hit with 2 strikes. Solano, to his credit, does not strike out often, either, but Castillo was light years ahead of Solano, and I'm sure if Luis put on a uniform today, could outplay Solano. Shoot, Castillo's only 37.

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I respect your opinion pollyvonwog but I use my eyes to judge players because ops is unreliable sometimes. Sure it can give you an IDEA of a players ability but it doesn't tell the whole story. If we judge Luis Castillo y his ops nobody here would want him on this team ever and he is probably the player I would compare Solano too the most except for Castillo had better speed out of the box and probably a stronger arm. I use my eyes and old fashioned stats (they worked fine for over 100 years didn't they) and I have been right more often then not. Not always right but nobody is 100% of the time. Give Solano a chance. He defensively passes my eye test and offensively even more. Just take a look and you might see something you missed while looking up his ops.

 

 

 

 

i think it is Donovan solano. it has to be.

 

See bolded. You may be right.

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Solano is a good player. Name me 15 2nd baseman you would rather have. You can't. I can name maybe 5 or 10. He is good enough as long as he isn't hitting third or cleanup. The point I am making is that when he comes back and yelling comes up we need to try coghlan out at 3rd base instead of bringing in an unproven player like Juan Francisco and just HANDiNG him the job when we have proven players that we can put there without the question marks.

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Solano is a good player. Name me 15 2nd baseman you would rather have. You can't. I can name maybe 5 or 10. He is good enough as long as he isn't hitting third or cleanup. The point I am making is that when he comes back and yelling comes up we need to try coghlan out at 3rd base instead of bringing in an unproven player like Juan Francisco and just HANDiNG him the job when we have proven players that we can put there without the question marks.

 

2nd basemen I would rather have than Donovan Solano:

 

Robinson Cano

Ian Kinsler

Dustin Pedroia

Matt Carpenter

Chase Utley

Marco Scutaro

Howie Kendrick

Brandon Phillips

Daniel Murphy

Jason Kipnis

Omar Infante

Jose Altuve

Neil Walker

Jedd Gyorko

Mark Ellis

Eric Sogard

Danny Espinosa

Derek Dietrich

Jeff Keppinger

Dan Uggla

Rickie Weeks

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Its funny how on our forums that whenever theres a topic about a certain player, it ALWAYS ends up in a debate/argument about a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT player. Jesus Christ people. This thread is about Juan Francisco, not Donovan Solano.

 

Thank you!!!!!!! And all I am saying is that Coghlan should get a chance at 3base and if we can get fransicso for minor leagues depth for nothing then GREAT. Have to try coghlan at 3rd first though an give him a chance before putting a question mark there.

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Its funny how on our forums that whenever theres a topic about a certain player, it ALWAYS ends up in a debate/argument about a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT player. Jesus Christ people. This thread is about Juan Francisco, not Donovan Solano.

 

Thank you!!!!!!! And all I am saying is that Coghlan should get a chance at 3base and if we can get fransicso for minor leagues depth for nothing then GREAT. Have to try coghlan at 3rd first though an give him a chance before putting a question mark there.

 

 

Coghaln would be beyond horrendous at 3b. Put him at 2b and Dietrich at 3b, okay I can handle that.

 

To your Solano post, dude, don't compare the defensively and offensively and speed inept solano to castillo. Not even close.

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