They probably might not even summon Yelich until the September call up, which flat out sucks.

Redmond seems like the type of guy who would continue to start Pierre just because he likes having speed at the top of the lineup.

 

 

This is almost certainly the principal reasoning involved, whether or not the decision comes from Redmond or the front office. They probably continue to start Pierre because they don't have a "true lead-off man" to replace him with.

 

It is quite the testament to the Marlins' stupidity.

 

 

Yeah this. Have we seriously not moved past the idea that you have to force a slap-hitting fast guy into the leadoff spot? It's not like Ruggiano is slow either, and he'll knock the occasional homer and can throw. I wouldn't bat him leadoff necessarily but even that would be preferable to this.

 

 

Despite the record, the season doesn't need to be a waste. Ruggiano is a player that may still have some use, either as 4th OF, light trade bait, whatever. JP and Polanco really have zero value. They're great guys and have been good players in their career and I'm sure they set good examples for their teammates, blah blah blah, but this team is starting over and you're simply wasting meaningful at-bats.

They probably might not even summon Yelich until the September call up, which flat out sucks.

 

 

Doesnt flat out suck. He has been playing awful.

Redmond seems like the type of guy who would continue to start Pierre just because he likes having speed at the top of the lineup.

 

This is almost certainly the principal reasoning involved, whether or not the decision comes from Redmond or the front office. They probably continue to start Pierre because they don't have a "true lead-off man" to replace him with.

 

It is quite the testament to the Marlins' stupidity.

Yeah this. Have we seriously not moved past the idea that you have to force a slap-hitting fast guy into the leadoff spot? It's not like Ruggiano is slow either, and he'll knock the occasional homer and can throw. I wouldn't bat him leadoff necessarily but even that would be preferable to this.

 

 

Despite the record, the season doesn't need to be a waste. Ruggiano is a player that may still have some use, either as 4th OF, light trade bait, whatever. JP and Polanco really have zero value. They're great guys and have been good players in their career and I'm sure they set good examples for their teammates, blah blah blah, but this team is starting over and you're simply wasting meaningful at-bats.

 

Yeah this team has potential to be good if they would stop letting the old big head and the old peanut head play every day.

and they're doing it again today.

and they're doing it again today.

 

I don't know about you but it getting really hard watching that. Automatic outs.

Farewell SF.

 

Also, JP hitting .342 w .811 OPS in June so far. Hmmmmm

Polanco is actually worse than Pierre is, I think, if that's even possible.

 

Remember when everyone was on Bonifacio's case in 2009 for his abhorrent offensive production? Well, he had a .611 OPS. Polanco is currently sitting at .542.

 

And the Marlins are paying him $2.75 million to do that.

 

All you can do is shake your head at the FO's idiocy.

And if u remember the incentives they sprinkled into JPs contract its even funnier, some crap about bonuses if he leads us to the world series

And if u remember the incentives they sprinkled into JPs contract its even funnier, some crap about bonuses if he leads us to the world series

 

I remember someone said it would be like $375k for "the best season ever." Lol

yeah ... impossible to reach incentives that really had not strong money attached to them ...... let me see if I can find them on here

found it in the Juan Pierre signs thread

 

Pierre would earn a $25,000 bonus if he's an All-Star, $25,000 each for winning a Gold Glove or Silver Slugger, $50,000 if he's an LCS MVP, $100,000 if he's the World Series MVP and $100,000 if he's the league MVP.

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8653126/miami-marlins-salary-dump-trade-toronto-blue-jays-finalized

 

So yeah - a cool extra $300k if he posts a historic season as a 35 year old ......... i seriously would have loved to have been in on that negotiation

 

JP/Agent - "wait, only an extra $50k if I'm an all star AND a gold glove winner?! If I did that I'd have an awesome season,that's not much of an incentive"

 

Marlins (sarcastically) - "you're right ... how about this ... if you have that kind of season you oculd be league MVP so why don't we double that $50k to $100k just for that award ... now you're up to $150k if you pull the trifecta"

 

JP/Agent - "that's more like it ... how's the team looking this year? I know you have a new ballpark and all and are making a push? You think a league MVP season would put the team over the top?"

 

Marlins (now fully laughing) - "of course .... in fact you know that $100k for league MVP .... since we'd be bound to be in the playoffs why don't we make it an extra $100k if you can be a WS MVP - shoot, we'll even throw in $50k for a LCS MVP"

 

JP/Agent - "let's get to work"

Pierres bonuses:

*$25,000 each for All-Star appearance, Gold Glove, and Silver Slugger

*$50,000 for NLCS MVP

*$100,000 each for MVP and World Series MVP

 

Yea, he aint getting any of those.

Pierres bonuses:

*$25,000 each for All-Star appearance, Gold Glove, and Silver Slugger

*$50,000 for NLCS MVP

*$100,000 each for MVP and World Series MVP

 

Yea, he aint getting any of those.

 

 

'Cause he's not beefcake enough, bro.

Its not just a great seas. It's 350k if he has the best season in major league history

I bet JP's agent thought he was really slick when he worked that into the contract.

Silver Slugger lmao

Polanco is actually worse than Pierre is, I think, if that's even possible.

 

Remember when everyone was on Bonifacio's case in 2009 for his abhorrent offensive production? Well, he had a .611 OPS. Polanco is currently sitting at .542.

 

And the Marlins are paying him $2.75 million to do that.

 

All you can do is shake your head at the FO's idiocy.

 

 

Pretty much. I think people don't grasp how troubling all these move are, even though they seem negligible in the long-term. I mean this is a team that failed as fantastically as you can fail last year, and they seem to have learned absolutely nothing from it. It didn't cause them to reevaluate their approach, or start looking into alternate sources of information, or anything. They've just recycled the same shitty backwards ideology, and it almost feels as though they've gotten even stupider, if that's possible.

 

Where a front office really reveals the way they think, is in these day-to-day handlings, which aren't as subject to hindsight and unknown variables (like trades and signings are on occasion). And the Marlins think like retards. With no foreseeable change on the horizon.

 

I'm known for my optimism.

Neither you nor anyone else here has the first clue what their baseball "ideology" is, or even if they have one.

 

This isn't complicated. They knew they were going to have a lot of kids around this year, so they brought in some (mostly worthless) vets on the (relative) cheap. I guess Wes Helms wasn't available.

 

Big deal. Pierre and Polanco will be gone in the next 12 months. Half of the current 25-man will be gone in the next 12 months.

Funny thing is,I don't think many of us here thought Pierre would be this bad. I may be wrong but with polanco my thought was he's either gonna have a horrendous year or a surprisingly good one, nothing in between. As for JP I thought he would be at least somewhat serviceable. If we're accepting Pierre's role as a veteran stop gap, I at least thought he'd be good enough at that role. And with the exception of probably being the first guy at the ballpark every day, he hasn't done much at all. Sucks.

^^^ Pierre looks to be improving somewhat, at least offensively. It just defense/weak arm that drives me crazy, and you can tell how opposing teams pick up on that quickly, and try to exploit that on plays when the ball hits left/left-center.

Neither you nor anyone else here has the first clue what their baseball "ideology" is, or even if they have one.

 

This isn't complicated. They knew they were going to have a lot of kids around this year, so they brought in some (mostly worthless) vets on the (relative) cheap. I guess Wes Helms wasn't available.

 

Big deal. Pierre and Polanco will be gone in the next 12 months. Half of the current 25-man will be gone in the next 12 months.

 

 

2.75 million is pretty damn expensive for a below average, 37 year old veteran with recent injury issues. Or in other words, 2.75 is far more than they should have needed to pay for his level of production.

 

They were dumb to be forced into that situation when they could have been paying Matt Dominguez the league minimum to be more valuable. He still kind of sucks but he's young and would have sucked for more than 2 million less.

 

I'm surprised you are even commenting on the matter, though, because you don't own the team.

Also, Polanco is below replacement level. Tha means that virtually any AAA guy, even someone like an Ed Lucas should be able to step in and outproduce him. And they should do so at a fraction of the cost.

Also, Polanco is below replacement level. Tha means that virtually any AAA guy, even someone like an Ed Lucas should be able to step in and outproduce him. And they should do so at a fraction of the cost.

 

Yeah this is what sucks. Polanco isn't even decent. For a guy who was good, at times great, not that long ago, its a shame that he's so bad now.