Fernandez was decent.

 

Every year in St. Louis feels the same. This was a real momentum killer.

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Horrible series for the offense. Why we get 3 pitchers from the Dudgers when everyone in the world knows this offense needs some serious help is beyond me.

looking at it again, if Mathis catches that ball on the rundown he makes the out. not a perfect throw by LoMo and yes it should've come quicker but...

I hate to say it guys, but this series was a major blow to our playoff chances.

looking at it again, if Mathis catches that ball on the rundown he makes the out. not a perfect throw by LoMo and yes it should've come quicker but...

 

 

I think DD is more to blame. He held the ball too long and had the much better angle on throwing him. He should of picked up the guy going home

looking at it again, if Mathis catches that ball on the rundown he makes the out. not a perfect throw by LoMo and yes it should've come quicker but...

 

I think DD is more to blame. He held the ball too long and had the much better angle on throwing him. He should of picked up the guy going homeIn all fairness, Beltran didn't break til Deets tossed it. Worst case scenario, DD holds it and Holliday ends up back at first without Beltran scoring, should have been the deal.

Horrible series for the offense. Why we get 3 pitchers from the Dudgers when everyone in the world knows this offense needs some serious help is beyond me.

 

 

We totally should've acquired Puig for Nolasco.

Horrible series for the offense. Why we get 3 pitchers from the Dudgers when everyone in the world knows this offense needs some serious help is beyond me.

 

 

We totally should've acquired Puig for Nolasco.

 

 

I was thinking maybe Nolasco for Ethier and Ramirez.

I'm honestly not that discouraged after this series.

I was thinking maybe Nolasco for Ethier and Ramirez.

 

 

 

Problem is I'm not sure if you are serious.

I hate to say it guys, but this series was a major blow to our playoff chances.

 

 

 

It's still early.

I was thinking maybe Nolasco for Ethier and Ramirez.

 

 

 

Problem is I'm not sure if you are serious.

 

 

 

You know H2R likes the Miami scene. Even got a better stadium. Yeah, I went there. Better than Dodgers Stadium.

Hanley Ramirez has as many hits in 100 AB's as Rob Brantly in 172 AB's

 

:O

Devils advocate: this team w hanley at 3b and Reyes at SS. Playoff bound?

Devils advocate: this team w hanley at 3b and Reyes at SS. Playoff bound?

 

Yeah, they defiantly would have went to one or two HEAT games after a home loss.

I was thinking maybe Nolasco for Ethier and Ramirez.

 

 

 

Problem is I'm not sure if you are serious.

 

 

....about as serious as Ericks ridiculous response.

Devils advocate: this team w hanley at 3b and Reyes at SS. Playoff bound?

 

 

They would barely play. And with Stanton in the mix, we could arguably have the most injury prone starting lineup in the league.

Horrible series for the offense. Why we get 3 pitchers from the Dudgers when everyone in the world knows this offense needs some serious help is beyond me.

 

Any offensive players we get for nolasco would most likely never see the majors, unless Miami paid nolascos salary and agreed to take only one prospect.

This series is just what the Marlins needed to get them back on track to the # 1 overall pick next year. The Astros are getting too close, maybe a couple more trades will seal the deal.

Horrible series for the offense. Why we get 3 pitchers from the Dudgers when everyone in the world knows this offense needs some serious help is beyond me.

 

Any offensive players we get for nolasco would most likely never see the majors, unless Miami paid nolascos salary and agreed to take only one prospect.

 

 

I agree but we could get lucky and a lower level prospect could develop. You really never know sometimes until certain players are given a chance. If anything, pitching has been one of our strengths this year so it would of been nice if Loria didnt pocket all the money and instead, took less player/s and gotten a decent prospect that is more of a sure thing to help this offense this year or in the future.

Pocket the money?

 

What's wrong with you, other than that you seem to have some irrational desire to bash Loria? Do you have the slightest understanding of how a MLB franchise (or, for that matter, any business) works?

 

They lost 47 mill last year, and NOBODY disputes that, not even the Herald.

 

They have only a rough idea of how bad the total revenue stream will be this year -- we're only half-way through -- but it will be bad. Very bad. Saving 5-6 mill matters.

 

This outfit breaks even somewhere around 135-140 mill of total revenue. They could wind up losing money this year, too, even minus Nolasco and all the rest of the dearly departed.

 

Next year, they won't owe 8 mill to Toronto or 11.5 mill to Nolasco, and they will have 24-25 mill additional from the national TV contract (as will every other team.) That adds up to about 45 mill of possible flexibility next year, but it's obviously a good idea and a necessity to first see where revenue and operating profit/loss finally winds up this year.

 

How, in any rational world could there be any "reinvestment" until they know how bad the actual revenue stream was from this horrendous losing/rebuild year? It will probably set the rock-bottom-it-can't-get-any-worse benchmark for gate/concessions. Once they know what that amount is, they can make some decisions about the future based on financial reality.

 

Like deciding how much they can afford to offer to extend Stanton and how much they can spent on any FAs they might want. Next year looks good, but it ain't next year yet.

 

Meanwhile, bashing Loria is a waste of electrons. It also seems that the less I post, the more gratuitous Loria-bashing there is. I'd suggest waiting and seeing how he spends next year before bashing. If he doesn't spend appropriately, I'll join the bashing.

If he doesn't spend appropriately, I'll join the bashing.

 

 

No, you won't.

I agree with Penguino, considering Loria has never spent appropriately.

 

I fail to see how anyone can still defend a guy players, executives, journalists, and fans all pretty much unanimously agree is the worst owner in the history of the sport. Especially with, even acknowledging the 2012 "loss", it has been proven that Loria has been making money hand over fist for years(well more than enough to absorb a 'loss" in year one of a stadium, where their losses were the fault of FO stupidity in the first place).

players, executives, journalists, and fans all pretty much unanimously agree is the worst owner in the history of the sport

 

 

Unanimously?

 

Far from it. But, the media certainly love to pile on even though they understand nothing, and people like you slurp it up and regurgitate it.

 

 

it has been proven that Loria has been making money hand over fist for years

 

 

No such thing has ever been proven, not by you or anyone else. You might want to read this thread to disabuse yourself of the notion:

 

http://forums.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/94638-marlins-among-7-teams-out-of-compliance-with-mlbs-debt-guidelines/

 

I won't even bother getting into the fact that "operating income" doesn't take into account expenses like, say, interest (about 5 mill/yr in '08-'09) that the idiots at deadspin and elsewhere have no comprehension of.

 

I've concluded that you (and other Loria-bashers around here) are financially ineducable, and that you will buy into whatever superficial financial BS the media runs with. You can believe and spout whatever rubbish you wish, but that doesn't make it true.

 

The Marlins have been run at a significant cumulative loss, and nothing you can say (much less prove) can change that fact.

 

Loria's 150 mill (round number) investment should have been earning at least 15-20 mill/yr. It hasn't earned squat on a cash basis. His gain rests solely in the unrealized increase in the value of the club and can only be realized by the sale of the club.

 

A sale at 500 mill would net him 350 mill for 11 years. 32 mill/yr is a decent return. Probably about 19 mill/yr after taxes. Less than some players are paid. Not bad, but he could have made about 3 billion if he had bought a pile of Apple shares instead of buying the Marlins. And that's after Apple's recent 40% decline.

 

You and your Loria-bashing buddies should just hope for a sale and stop trying to claim that Loria is fleecing anyone, because he's not. He wants to win and just hasn't been very good at it since 2003.