A very lackluster try though. Never was close to serious 

 

 

closer important than SP !?

 

 

It wasn't a real try. Just imagine how bad it was considering it was worse than the offer from NY

 

 

Think of it along these lines: "I'll give you 100 bucks for that 2015 Lexus in your driveway"  

 

 

I"m sure they tried to get him real cheap considering his situation (and our lack of prospects to deal).  Not a bad strategy, but it would be nice to actually acquire some players this off season.

 

 

It wasn't a real try. Just imagine how bad it was considering it was worse than the offer from NY

 

Yeah, right. 4 Reds-to-Yankees players were just bunch of scrap. Only one player was listed on their top 30 prospects. Which means Marlins' offers would be so terrible.

 

 

Dumb. 

 

They should've given it a real try. 

 

 

And, as I said all along, his value wasn't as high as people as expected. + of course the allegations only lowered his value even more. 

 

But the Marlins, of course, are dumb. 

 

 

Marlins probably offered Dunn. Killed the deal right there. 

 

 

Considering that we're only going to have like 20 save opportunities this coming season, seems kinda pointless to go after a closer....

 

 

I hate this team

 

 

Dumb. 

 

They should've given it a real try. 

 

a one year rental on chapman only makes sense for a team that 1) has SP and 2) plans on competing 

 

 

Marlins probably offered Dunn. Killed the deal right there. 

 

Dunn deal.

 

 

also those guys the yankees gave up would all be at least top 15 in the marlins system

 

 

Shoulda thrown in Andino

 

 

a one year rental on chapman only makes sense for a team that 1) has SP and 2) plans on competing 

 

Not at all.

 

1. You don't give up on the season before it starts. The Marlins have a very talented core of position players. Add another SP or two with Chapman/Ramos/Capps at the backend of the pen, you never know. The Royals rotation wasn't exactly stellar this past year.

 

2. If the team sucks, you can always trade Chapman at the deadline. Probably for better prospects since relievers usually go for more at the trade deadline & Chapman is the best of the best.

 

3. The Yankees just made a trade they can't lose. Even if they don't win (by the way, the Yankees' rotation has its own question marks) and Chapman leaves after the year, the compensation pick has a chance to be better than the replaceable pieces the Yankees gave up.

 

It's a great value move. It's a move that a smart team takes a chance on. Add Chapman to the team and add a second-tier starter (like Kennedy), maybe another starter for depth, and the team can compete. It would at least have a chance to win the wildcard, maybe more if everything goes right. Our position players are talented. Instead, they did nothing. Again. 

 

 

Not at all.

 

1. You don't give up on the season before it starts. The Marlins have a very talented core of position players. Add another SP or two with Chapman/Ramos/Capps at the backend of the pen, you never know. The Royals rotation wasn't exactly stellar this past year.

 

2. If the team sucks, you can always trade Chapman at the deadline. Probably for better prospects since relievers usually go for more at the trade deadline & Chapman is the best of the best.

 

3. The Yankees just made a trade they can't lose. Even if they don't win (by the way, the Yankees' rotation has its own question marks) and Chapman leaves after the year, the compensation pick has a chance to be better than the replaceable pieces the Yankees gave up.

 

It's a great value move. It's a move that a smart team takes a chance on. Add Chapman to the team and add a second-tier starter (like Kennedy), maybe another starter for depth, and the team can compete. It would at least have a chance to win the wildcard, maybe more if everything goes right. Our position players are talented. Instead, they did nothing. Again. 

 

It's an awesome move for the yanks, no doubt. I would have loved Capps/Chapman. The thing is our farm system is so bad we still couldn't even come close to surpassing that group of B-/C prospects that the yanks gave up. It'd take like Naylor or Kolek or something like that. 

 

Royals rotation actually was a bunch of #3s/4s (and if i recall they were the rotation samson compared our current crop too) and besides jose (obviously) are far far better than the marlins.

 

 

Think of it along these lines: "I'll give you 100 bucks for that 2015 Lexus in your driveway"  

 

so the yankees give 150 bucks for that Lexus.

 

 

It's an awesome move for the yanks, no doubt. I would have loved Capps/Chapman. The thing is our farm system is so bad we still couldn't even come close to surpassing that group of B-/C prospects that the yanks gave up. It'd take like Naylor or Kolek or something like that. 

 

Royals rotation actually was a bunch of #3s/4s (and if i recall they were the rotation samson compared our current crop too) and besides jose (obviously) are far far better than the marlins.

 

The Royals rotation looked better than it was because of the pen and their stellar defense. 

 

As for what we could have given up, you could be right. However, it was basically Chapman for Rookie/Jagielo. The other two guys are pretty much trash. 

 

Our farm system is not good, but we probably could've beaten that offer. It was really an underwhelming return for the Reds. I'm guessing they liked Jagielo because he can play 3B, but most scouts seem to think he won't even stay there long-term. 

 

Thus, it was basically Chapman for a potential mid-rotation arm and a potential bat. We have that. 

 

 

For what it's worth, it's nice to know that they at least tried to acquire Chapman. It's disappointing they failed, but I guess I'll give them credit for pursuing it. Still sucks because I think we could've offered better. I also think it's a no risk/high reward move. Great move for the Yankees. One of the best moves of the offseason, second to our signing of Jeff Mathis. 

 

 

I love how this is the guy we decided to preserve our farm system with.

 

Fuck this team. Seriously.

 

 

seriously how could we have beaten Rookie/Jagielo?

 

 

maybe they tried to throw in the Solanos, Andino and Hand that was 4 against 4 of the Yankees

 

 

seriously how could we have beaten Rookie/Jagielo?

 

Urena/Naylor

 

+ our depth of relievers is way more interesting than the spare parts they got from the Yankees. We have a bunch of relievers who are way more interesting than 28-year-old Caleb Gotham for example. 

 

 

Urena/Naylor

 

+ our depth of relievers is way more interesting than the spare parts they got from the Yankees. We have a bunch of relievers who are way more interesting than 28-year-old Caleb Gotham for example. 

 

I hear ya. I wonder if teams actually value Naylor like the marlins do. But yeah, I'd have been cool with that is if they actually signed kennedy and sayyyyyy Maeda!  (I do not expect either)