Unless I'm interpreting it wrong, that sounds to me like there are teams that would consider taking on the contract in full if the Marlins absolutely wanted to make this completely a salary dump. 

 

If the difference between 50 million over 10 years and a typical prospect return for a superstar like Stanton, and a discounted prospect return for a superstar, just pay the 5 million a year.  Spreading it over 10 years makes it look like much more, but 5 million a year over 10 years is not much, and theres a really good chance that if Stanton stays healthy for the next few years, he will opt out and get a bigger deal because of next years free agency with Machado and Harper which would make his contract look normal in comparison.  

 

Pay the 5 million, get top prospects, and move on to Straily, Bour, and Ozuna. Not to mention, look at the difference between what you thought of 5 million in 2007 and what you think of 5 million 10 years from now.  the value of that amount of money will change over the next 10 years.

 

 

Ffs if they want to dump his salary it's really easy... just keep him in Miami next season and let him walk if he damn wants to. 

 

Why the fuck would you give him up for nothing? He's MVP material. Get to the 90 million with his contract. After next season you'll be far below 90 million when he walks away.

 

 

Ffs if they want to dump his salary it's really easy... just keep him in Miami next season and let him walk if he damn wants to. 

 

His opt out is in 2020, he can't walk after next season.

 

 

Ffs if they want to dump his salary it's really easy... just keep him in Miami next season and let him walk if he damn wants to. 

 

Why the fuck would you give him up for nothing? He's MVP material. Get to the 90 million with his contract. After next season you'll be far below 90 million when he walks away.

 

because the reports are overstated.  He'll be named NL MVP tomorrow. there is a reason youre seeing reports of various large amounts of teams interested in him.  No matter how big his contract is, he is one of if not the best player in the NL, and we will get a rather large haul for him, whether we pay 5 million or so a year or not.

 

 

His opt out is in 2020, he can't walk after next season.

 

What year is it? 

 

Whatever, something like that. Hold him for two years. What's the point in making him happy by trading him for nothing if you can just keep him arbitrarily for two more years. 90 is 90 in all cases... this team won't be competitive with or without Stanton. Certainly not without him. 

 

 

What year is it? 

 

Whatever, something like that. Hold him for two years. What's the point in making him happy by trading him for nothing if you can just keep him arbitrarily for two more years. 90 is 90 in all cases... this team won't be competitive with or without Stanton. Certainly not without him. 

 

Following 2020, sorry my bad for not being specific. So he's locked in for 3 more seasons.

 

 

Following 2020, sorry my bad for not being specific. So he's locked in for 3 more seasons.

 

Oh. Well. Idk even better. 90 is 90. I'd rather trust this team rebuilding against his will than trying to force a competitive team next season that obviously won't happen. 

 

 

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OMG yes... what year was it that that one came up here? 

 

Pretty sure it was 2013. I think it was the guy that was obsessed with Solano, too. lol

 

 

Pretty sure it was 2013. I think it was the guy that was obsessed with Solano, too. lol

 

Beefcake

 

 

big haul for stanton.  telling you.

 

 

Oh man scary to think Stanton could screw us just by choosing his preferred destination over a quality return. To be honest I wouldn't blame him, he's earned some power in this, but man that could really fuck us over. 

 

Of note, Hill said it wouldn't surprise him if Stanton flat out refused to leave too. That'd be interesting to see how the front office would deal with that. 

 

Again it wouldn't be Stanton's fault. It lies solely on Loria for agreeing to it. Loria gave him this power.

 

 

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This is a bit ignorant to me. Not every team can afford a $300 million player and it's very possible for the Marlins to be losing money especially with their attendance issues. 

 

 

This is a bit ignorant to me. Not every team can afford a $300 million player and it's very possible for the Marlins to be losing money especially with their attendance issues. 

 

It's a bit broad to suggest teams can't afford a player by the size of his contract. Think you should focus more on the time derivative. 

 

They can afford him, they just spent too much on dumb shit and he's an easy way out of it. 

 

 

It's a bit broad to suggest teams can't afford a player by the size of his contract. Think you should focus more on the time derivative. 

 

They can afford him, they just spent too much on dumb shit and he's an easy way out of it. 

 

All you did was elaborate my point. Yes the Marlins can afford Stanton... if they didn't have other bad contracts and low attendance and a bad TV deal and weren't losing $70 million a year... translation: they can't afford him. 

 

 

I know you know, but my point is just that so often people cite that "big amount" as a big deal. His $300 million has little meaning in terms of affordability. The only thing of relevance of that number is a value per cost later in his career, and a risk assumed by carrying it every year. 

 

 

Right now, Giancarlo Stanton is The Man. All the trade rumors at the GM meetings have been about him, and on Thursday he won one of the tightest NL MVP races in history.With his full no-trade clause, the Miami Marlins slugger can decide if he wants to stay in Miami or go to another team. And if the team he’s presented with isn’t to his liking, he can turn that down too.

 

Stanton went on MLB Network after the results were announced, and he had a lot to say about his current situation, and about the Marlins’ desire to trade him. Rick Hummel at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch caught all the juicy quotes.

 

On the Major League Baseball television network, Stanton allowed that his immediate future “seems pretty open right now. It just depends on which way we want to go. I think our lineup can match up with just about anyone. We need a couple of pieces on the pitching side. We’ll have to see.”

 

So Stanton doesn’t have his bags packed yet. He obviously enjoys his team and thinks they have a chance to compete if the new owners (including Derek Jeter) are willing to invest in a few more pieces.

 

Hummel also caught some quotes from Stanton on the conference call that followed the announcement, and Stanton emphasized that ownership needs to seriously invest in the team if they want success — and Stanton wants success.

 

“[Pitching] needs to be thoroughly addressed, not just somewhat addressed,” he said. “It needs to be a huge push now and a definite contending-addressed matter.”

 

But Stanton knows that the Marlins don’t want to do that. Jeter has said the main priority is to cut payroll, and if that’s the team mandate, they won’t be making any investments that will lead to winning in the next few years.

 

But did he really think the new Miami ownership, plotting to cut deeply into payroll, would make any significant pitching moves that would satisfy him?

 

“I’m not entirely sure, to be honest,” he said. “But I know all teams have plenty of money.”

 

Some more than others, of course. “Yes, that’s true,” he said. “But plenty, nonetheless.”

 

Nothing that Stanton is saying here is unreasonable (or untrue). He wants the Marlins to make significant pitching moves, but he’s pretty sure they don’t want to. And “don’t want to” is a lot different than “we can’t.” No matter how badly Jeter claims the Marlins have been run, the new ownership group clearly has money — they just bought the team for over a billion dollars. But at least some of Stanton’s comments seem to be a direct response to a truly bizarre comment that commissioner Rob Manfred made on Thursday.

 

Rob Manfred says it's unfair to criticize Derek Jeter and #Marlins ownership group if they trade Stanton since they weren't ones who negotiated contract

 

— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) November 16, 2017

 

It’s true that Jeter and the new ownership group didn’t negotiate the contract for one of the most powerful, exciting, talented players in baseball. But it’s not like they went into the process blind. They knew about the contract. And considering how adamant Jeter has been about cutting payroll since the moment he became an owner, trading Stanton has probably always been in their plans.

 

Which brings up why the new ownership group is deciding to cut payroll at all when they just spent a whopping $1.2 billion buying the team. Uber agent Scott Boras shed some much-needed light on that issue on Wednesday when he spoke to USA Today.

 

“Basically the idea is to reduce the debt service to pay for the franchise by reducing all major league payroll, not being competitive, basically using the argument that we’re going to build a successful team through development.

 

“That has nothing to do with the fans. It has nothing to do with winning. It has nothing to do with anything other than a financial plan that suits ownership without consideration of the impact it has on Major League Baseball.’’

 

In short, the owners just spent $1.2 billion buying a baseball team, and since they didn’t back up hundreds of trucks stuffed with cash, they accrued debt. And to pay off that debt faster, they’re slashing payroll so the team makes a larger profit, and then they use that profit to pay off the debt, which enables them to make a real profit even quicker. They could keep the payroll right where it is if they wanted to, and even add to it to make a competitive team, but just like nearly every team owner, they’re concerned with making money and not necessarily with winning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stanton wants to stay in Miami but needs the pitching to improve.

 

Yeah we know buddy. How are we going to do that? Spend more? Trade what we don't have? Go more into debt and repeat the vicious cycle??

 

 

Don't see the problem in adding 5 mil a year to get elite prospects back. Trading Ozuna, Yelich and Stanton with money retained alone would bring back 6 elite prospects potentially and it's not like we'll need that 5 mil a year to add free agents anytime soon. Idk this rebuild could really work out if Jeter was just willing to trade everyone and not just Gordon, Stanton, and Prado. Dummy.

 

 

this rebuild could really work out if Jeter was just willing to trade everyone and not just Gordon, Stanton, and Prado. Dummy.

 

Yes, I don't know what he's thinking.

 

 

This is a bit ignorant to me. Not every team can afford a $300 million player and it's very possible for the Marlins to be losing money especially with their attendance issues. 

 

Attendance is not going to fix the Marlins money woes.....their brand is tainted no matter what. I haven't seen any numbers but I would venture a guess that their apparel sales & other sources of income probaly the lowest or next to lowest in MLB, heck there are probably minor league teams that out-retail them. Also their really bad media contract. Attendance revenue is important, but I'll bet that the small sales from those jerseys & the cheap commercials they don't sell are the main problems with revenue.

 

 

Jon Morosi says a formal offer for Stanton has been made by the Cardinals

 

 

Don't see the problem in adding 5 mil a year to get elite prospects back. Trading Ozuna, Yelich and Stanton with money retained alone would bring back 6 elite prospects potentially and it's not like we'll need that 5 mil a year to add free agents anytime soon. Idk this rebuild could really work out if Jeter was just willing to trade everyone and not just Gordon, Stanton, and Prado. Dummy.

 

It wouldn't be a problem IF the "elite prospects" turn out to be something.  That's happen to us before and we've gotten SHIT in the past when the dust settled.

 

 

Jon Morosi says a formal offer for Stanton has been made by the Cardinals

 

What do they mean by formal offer? Is their an RSVP to send in where Mike Hill has to check off if he'll have the chicken or the fish? 

 

 

I really hate all these reports, fuck sake he's a MVP!!!!. Let's see how much money JD Martinez would get compared to Stanton.