They don't owe Yelich shit, especially after he made his displeasure public.

 

 

They don't owe Yelich shit, especially after he made his displeasure public.

 

I wanna agree but i dont know how public his displeasure actually was. He didn't say anything publicly as far as I know. This one is on the media I think. 

 

 

Braves fans and writers keep saying no Acuna but the Marlins don't have to trade Yelich so I sure hope Mike Hll is saying Acuna or bust. The way the division is shaping up Yelich could be the difference between making the playoffs or not for the Braves. Keep steady on Acuna and they might actually give in. 

 

 

Braves fans and writers keep saying no Acuna but the Marlins don't have to trade Yelich so I sure hope Mike Hll is saying Acuna or bust. The way the division is shaping up Yelich could be the difference between making the playoffs or not for the Braves. Keep steady on Acuna and they might actually give in. 

 

I think they need to bid these teams against each other and first one to give us a top prospect will win.  Nats have Robles, Braves have Acuna, Phillies have top guys, White Sox have a few top guys, Padres have a stacked system. 

 

 

I'm thinking the Padres need to sign Hosmer before they start considering Yelich.

 

 

I'm thinking the Padres need to sign Hosmer before they start considering Yelich.

 

 

 

I love Yelich but I dont think we should do anything just because a player is asking for it.  He is under contract and is time for him to act like a professional, if we are to trade him it should be for a great package since we really dont have to trade him. 

 

 

I read that the Blue Jays and Rangers are interested in Yelich.  I would prefer the Blue Jays because their farm system is deeper.  Would Vlad Guerrero Jr., Bo Bichette, and Anthony Alford be too much to ask for?  2 of the 3 plus lesser prospects?  Not high on what the Rangers have to offer though they do have two top 100 prospects.

 

 

I think the only team not interested in Yelich is the Marlins. 

 

 

I hear the Marlins are holding out Yelich for at least one top 100 prospect. From past history, Braves, Phils, White Sox and Jays all believe Marlins will ultimately give up on their demand. They'll probably end up being right. 

 

 

I hear the Marlins are holding out Yelich for at least one top 100 prospect. From past history, Braves, Phils, White Sox and Jays all believe Marlins will ultimately give up on their demand. They'll probably end up being right. 

 

If they are 'holding out' for one top 100 prospect, I'd rather not trade Yelich. That's a fucking insult. Yelich merits one top 25 prospect to get the conversation started.

 

This has to be because everyone knows Mike Hill is retarded. There's no way fucking Shelby Miller brought back such a haul, and we're 'holding out' for one top prospect in exchange for a great young OF on one of the most team-friendly contracts in baseball.

 

 

If they are 'holding out' for one top 100 prospect, I'd rather not trade Yelich. That's a fucking insult. Yelich merits one top 25 prospect to get the conversation started.

 

This has to be because everyone knows Mike Hill is retarded. There's no way fucking Shelby Miller brought back such a haul, and we're 'holding out' for one top prospect in exchange for a great young OF on one of the most team-friendly contracts in baseball.

 

Pretty sure that was sarcasm.

 

 

Pretty sure that was sarcasm.

 

If a report came out that basically said what Six said in his post, it would not surprise me at all given how this offseason has gone.

 

 

I hear the Marlins are holding out Yelich for at least one top 100 prospect. 

 

LOL

 

If the Marlins don’t get a Top 25 prospect for Yelich I’m finding a new baseball team to root for until the next ownership change. 

 

 

I rather not trade with the Phillies. 

 

 

Count Buster Olney as the next national writer, along with Ken Rosenthal, who thinks the Marlins should just go ahead and trade Yelich. 

 

 

Buster had some great points, by which I mean he agreed with me. At this point there's only two reasons to keep Yelich and Realmuto - 1) they're still pretty cheap and very good, and 2) if they trade them they'll win about 55 this year and draw even fewer people than last year, fewer than any team since Loria's Expos in 2001. Buster points out that the team's actions may push attendance that way anyway, and the only way to save the franchise might be to have a "near-perfect, cost-efficient rebuild."

 

But Buster basically said what I did a few days ago: "The new ownership group had one chance to make a first impression, one chance to distinguish itself from the distrusted regimes of the past. That has been squandered, and mortal damage may have been done to the market."

 

 

Keeping Yelich, Realmuto, Castro, and Straily at this point is so fucking moronic.  

 

Trade the top talent, tear it down to the studs start over.

 

Only problem is that this group has done dick to win over the fans.  They have no exactly expressed their plan to the fans and to the community.

 

Jeter and Sherman are so fucking in over their heads, its funny.

 

They will make massive amounts of money,  because well, its a given in 2018 MLB, especially with a payroll pushing 75 mil.  

 

 

There is nothing moronic about keeping a 26 year old player signed cheap for 5 years who has produced a 4.5 WAR season 3 of the last 4 years. He is who you build around. Realmuto they need to sign for 5 though.

 

The rest can go.

 

 

There is nothing moronic about keeping a 26 year old player signed cheap for 5 years who has produced a 4.5 WAR season 3 of the last 4 years. He is who you build around. Realmuto they need to sign for 5 though.

 

The rest can go.

 

When you arent going to compete for 5 years or more, it is.

 

 

When you arent going to compete for 5 years or more, it is.

 

But that is being quasi-hysterical because they could progress faster than that.

 

By the 2019 deadline they could have their longterm solid 3B and CF (Anderson - one Fangraphs author positively projected him to a 2 WAR player now, Sierra - could be the next 2-3 WAR Dyson/Hamilton/Pierre type), 3+ SP (Alcantara, Neidert, Peters, M. Gonzalez, Gallen, C.Smith ... maybe no ace here and this turns into a 3-4-5 but could be 500+ competent innings at club controlled prices), and a full bullpen (Steckenrider, Wittgren, Garcia, Brigham, Poteet, E. Hernandez, SP rejects, etc. Tons of periphery arms here). At this point, you've seen a year plus more on Rogers, Guzman, Garret, Kolek (I guess), and your top two (hopefully college player) picks in the 2018 draft who are hopefully all pretty good, and you've gotten probably another 15-20 players, half of which are pretty good, for Castro, Straily, Bour, Urena, Barraclough, Conley, Dietrich, Rojas, Prado, Ziegler, and Tazawa who have all been shipped out and very likely plug some holes on the diamond. Maybe Chen is healthy after sitting all of 2018?

 

At that point (and don't worry I understand this is the rosey picture), your payroll is probably around $50-60 million, Chen is going to be off the books in the year which helps mitigate future raises, and if the "wolverine" payrolls are to be believed, they can double their payroll in 2020 to around $100 million and add three impact players and another few role players to plug holes. Even if it takes an extra year (very likely for SP growth), 2021 could look really good as then you have the above plus Guzman/Rogers/Garret/2018-2019 early picks who are ready. As mentioned, you REALLY want a $14 million Yelich/$10 Realmuto on the team those years. That's why you keep them. 

 

So, I keep them both to build around and hope something like the above happens. 

 

And if it doesn't work out...... and it is very clear in July 2019 that Alcantara is a high leverage RP and not the 2/3 SP they want, most of the SP bomb and all they have from these moves is a nice bullpen, Anderson and Sierra are bench role players and not starters, they continue to acquire skeptical trade packages for Castro/Bour/Straily/Barraclough/Dietrich/Urena/etc. and don't really get any oomph.... at that point, the influx of a few free agents in 20/21 and waiting on Guzman/Rogers/Garret/18-19 picks doesn't make sense to contend in Yelich's final years (and Realmuto assuming he is signed for 5). That's when I think you trade Yelich and Realmuto, who are each smack in their prime, and (again assuming Realmuto signed for 5), each have 3 1/2 years of control for basically their age 28-30 seasons. Still crazy valuable and they would get what they want for them. They would be the hottest commodities at a trade deadline for sure.

 

Ultimately, they just don't need to trade them right now. If someone wants to give the Marlins the Herschel Walker package, go for it as you can never say never, but with how the team is structured right now with all the young guys, see what happens with them for the next year and a half. You can always move them later. They have years of control and they are awesome. 

 

This is why I say sign Realmuto now to a 5 year deal he can't refuse; move Castro, Bour, Straily, Prado, Tazawa, and Ziegler now; sign 1 year veterans to fill out roster; trade Barraclough, Dietrich, Conley, Urena, Rojas, and the 1 year veterans at this deadline; Call up the farm in August; See where you are at when the season is over. It might look pretty good.

 

 

But that is being quasi-hysterical because they could progress faster than that.

 

By the 2019 deadline they could have their longterm solid 3B and CF (Anderson - one Fangraphs author positively projected him to a 2 WAR player now, Sierra - could be the next 2-3 WAR Dyson/Hamilton/Pierre type), 3+ SP (Alcantara, Neidert, Peters, M. Gonzalez, Gallen, C.Smith ... maybe no ace here and this turns into a 3-4-5 but could be 500+ competent innings at club controlled prices), and a full bullpen (Steckenrider, Wittgren, Garcia, Brigham, Poteet, E. Hernandez, SP rejects, etc. Tons of periphery arms here). At this point, you've seen a year plus more on Rogers, Guzman, Garret, Kolek (I guess), and your top two (hopefully college player) picks in the 2018 draft who are hopefully all pretty good, and you've gotten probably another 15-20 players, half of which are pretty good, for Castro, Straily, Bour, Urena, Barraclough, Conley, Dietrich, Rojas, Prado, Ziegler, and Tazawa who have all been shipped out and very likely plug some holes on the diamond. Maybe Chen is healthy after sitting all of 2018?

 

At that point (and don't worry I understand this is the rosey picture), your payroll is probably around $50-60 million, Chen is going to be off the books in the year which helps mitigate future raises, and if the "wolverine" payrolls are to be believed, they can double their payroll in 2020 to around $100 million and add three impact players and another few role players to plug holes. Even if it takes an extra year (very likely for SP growth), 2021 could look really good as then you have the above plus Guzman/Rogers/Garret/2018-2019 early picks who are ready. As mentioned, you REALLY want a $14 million Yelich/$10 Realmuto on the team those years. That's why you keep them. 

 

So, I keep them both to build around and hope something like the above happens. 

 

And if it doesn't work out...... and it is very clear in July 2019 that Alcantara is a high leverage RP and not the 2/3 SP they want, most of the SP bomb and all they have from these moves is a nice bullpen, Anderson and Sierra are bench role players and not starters, they continue to acquire skeptical trade packages for Castro/Bour/Straily/Barraclough/Dietrich/Urena/etc. and don't really get any oomph.... at that point, the influx of a few free agents in 20/21 and waiting on Guzman/Rogers/Garret/18-19 picks doesn't make sense to contend in Yelich's final years (and Realmuto assuming he is signed for 5). That's when I think you trade Yelich and Realmuto, who are each smack in their prime, and (again assuming Realmuto signed for 5), each have 3 1/2 years of control for basically their age 28-30 seasons. Still crazy valuable and they would get what they want for them. They would be the hottest commodities at a trade deadline for sure.

 

Ultimately, they just don't need to trade them right now. If someone wants to give the Marlins the Herschel Walker package, go for it as you can never say never, but with how the team is structured right now with all the young guys, see what happens with them for the next year and a half. You can always move them later. They have years of control and they are awesome. 

 

This is why I say sign Realmuto now to a 5 year deal he can't refuse; move Castro, Bour, Straily, Prado, Tazawa, and Ziegler now; sign 1 year veterans to fill out roster; trade Barraclough, Dietrich, Conley, Urena, Rojas, and the 1 year veterans at this deadline; Call up the farm in August; See where you are at when the season is over. It might look pretty good.

 

Don't know why you bother trying to explain anything to that guy... but don't worry, the rest of us appreciate reading your posts. 

 

 

But that is being quasi-hysterical because they could progress faster than that.

 

By the 2019 deadline they could have their longterm solid 3B and CF (Anderson - one Fangraphs author positively projected him to a 2 WAR player now, Sierra - could be the next 2-3 WAR Dyson/Hamilton/Pierre type), 3+ SP (Alcantara, Neidert, Peters, M. Gonzalez, Gallen, C.Smith ... maybe no ace here and this turns into a 3-4-5 but could be 500+ competent innings at club controlled prices), and a full bullpen (Steckenrider, Wittgren, Garcia, Brigham, Poteet, E. Hernandez, SP rejects, etc. Tons of periphery arms here). At this point, you've seen a year plus more on Rogers, Guzman, Garret, Kolek (I guess), and your top two (hopefully college player) picks in the 2018 draft who are hopefully all pretty good, and you've gotten probably another 15-20 players, half of which are pretty good, for Castro, Straily, Bour, Urena, Barraclough, Conley, Dietrich, Rojas, Prado, Ziegler, and Tazawa who have all been shipped out and very likely plug some holes on the diamond. Maybe Chen is healthy after sitting all of 2018?

 

At that point (and don't worry I understand this is the rosey picture), your payroll is probably around $50-60 million, Chen is going to be off the books in the year which helps mitigate future raises, and if the "wolverine" payrolls are to be believed, they can double their payroll in 2020 to around $100 million and add three impact players and another few role players to plug holes. Even if it takes an extra year (very likely for SP growth), 2021 could look really good as then you have the above plus Guzman/Rogers/Garret/2018-2019 early picks who are ready. As mentioned, you REALLY want a $14 million Yelich/$10 Realmuto on the team those years. That's why you keep them. 

 

So, I keep them both to build around and hope something like the above happens. 

 

And if it doesn't work out...... and it is very clear in July 2019 that Alcantara is a high leverage RP and not the 2/3 SP they want, most of the SP bomb and all they have from these moves is a nice bullpen, Anderson and Sierra are bench role players and not starters, they continue to acquire skeptical trade packages for Castro/Bour/Straily/Barraclough/Dietrich/Urena/etc. and don't really get any oomph.... at that point, the influx of a few free agents in 20/21 and waiting on Guzman/Rogers/Garret/18-19 picks doesn't make sense to contend in Yelich's final years (and Realmuto assuming he is signed for 5). That's when I think you trade Yelich and Realmuto, who are each smack in their prime, and (again assuming Realmuto signed for 5), each have 3 1/2 years of control for basically their age 28-30 seasons. Still crazy valuable and they would get what they want for them. They would be the hottest commodities at a trade deadline for sure.

 

Ultimately, they just don't need to trade them right now. If someone wants to give the Marlins the Herschel Walker package, go for it as you can never say never, but with how the team is structured right now with all the young guys, see what happens with them for the next year and a half. You can always move them later. They have years of control and they are awesome. 

 

This is why I say sign Realmuto now to a 5 year deal he can't refuse; move Castro, Bour, Straily, Prado, Tazawa, and Ziegler now; sign 1 year veterans to fill out roster; trade Barraclough, Dietrich, Conley, Urena, Rojas, and the 1 year veterans at this deadline; Call up the farm in August; See where you are at when the season is over. It might look pretty good.

 

Biggest problem with this scenario is JT. He's asked for a trad, so the only type of offer he won't refuse is one that would instantly make him one of the "he's too expensive for a terrible team" guys that would need to be moved. Also, why trade guys like Urena and Barraclough? It's not like you can get much for them, and it's also not like they're breaking the bank.

 

 

Biggest problem with this scenario is JT. He's asked for a trad, so the only type of offer he won't refuse is one that would instantly make him one of the "he's too expensive for a terrible team" guys that would need to be moved. Also, why trade guys like Urena and Barraclough? It's not like you can get much for them, and it's also not like they're breaking the bank.

 

Marlins control him for 3 years and he makes $4+ million this year and nothing guaranteed beyond that. Marlins have all the leverage. Float him 5/$50+ guaranteed (in line with other catcher buyouts - Salvador Perez), and I suspect attitudes change very fast. Especially if they frontload it a little bit and give him a great signing bonus this year so he can take advantage of some money now. It's an easy sell to tell him they aren't trading him and Yelich, they are the cornerstones, and let's talk about our young pitchers and the extra 15-20 guys we're going to acquire where real help is coming in a year or two.

 

You trade guys like Barraclough and Urena (and Conley, Dietrich, Rojas, etc.) at this deadline as they bridge the gap to the guys in the minors this season, and will hopefully be more valuable in trades than keeping them in non-contending years. The Marlins don't control them for 5 years, and they likely can each be replaced by the pitching depth they have coming in a season (they have a lot of live arms even if no future 1/2 SP in the pipes. Especially when they trade all of the guys mentioned above). Let's also mention Urena had a 5+ FIP last year so if he shows anything this year, they should get rid of him a year early - which they didn't do with Koehler. I think they would get a nice return for Barraclough and yes probably fringier guys for Urena, but that's OK. They will eventually hit on some guys in the secondary trades (i.e. Phelps/Ramos type deals) and that's all they need to do with those assets.

 

 

Sal Perez also WANTED to be in the Royals organization, a variable not pointed out.