That warming up thing might be the answer because besides that Stanek is still throwing the same baseball off the same mound to the same catcher at the same home plate whether it's the first inning or the eighth. He should still be getting outs. 

 

It's really not the same.  Same basketball, same rim, same shooter, but first quarter free throws vs game on the line is very different.

 

The team is letting him get a feel for it.  His stuff should play late in the game, but he throws too many pitches, gets in to so many full counts.  I feel that he can become an effective late inning guy, but he needs to work on it, both physically and mentally.

 

 

This has been an issue for other pitchers in the past when switching between starter and reliever. They warm up differently and sometimes produce different results. It’s tough to have exactly the same routine as a reliever though since you don’t know for sure when you’ll be pitching.  

 

wanna fight

 

 

That warming up thing might be the answer because besides that Stanek is still throwing the same baseball off the same mound to the same catcher at the same home plate whether it's the first inning or the eighth. He should still be getting outs. 

 

Warming up is absolutely the answer.  

 

You'll see starting pitchers warm up at their own pace, which usually includes jogging, stretching, long tossing, and a bullpen session, which can easily reach 30-40+ pitches.

 

A reliever doesn't get to do any of that.  He gets whatever pitches he can throw in the bullpen, and whatever time he has to do it.

 

Of course, there's an entirely different mental approach as well.

 

 

Can we upgrade from Urena next year?  His ERA is 11.25 as a reliever. 

 

 

Can we upgrade from Urena next year?  His ERA is 11.25 as a reliever. 

 

I wouldn't be shocked if they non-tender him.

 

 

Non tender is definitely a possibility but I think they'd say his opportunities as a reliever are still too small of a sample size, meaning they'd probably give it one more go through spring training and to open 2020 before giving up on it. 

 

 

I wouldn't be shocked if they non-tender him.

 

I would be shocked if they tender him. 

 

 

Non tender is definitely a possibility but I think they'd say his opportunities as a reliever are still too small of a sample size, meaning they'd probably give it one more go through spring training and to open 2020 before giving up on it. 

 

You mean tender and release ?

 

 

Caleb Smith 2019:  4.52 ERA (5.12 FIP)

 

 

Caleb Smith 2019:  4.52 ERA (5.12 FIP)

 

He was not the same after coming back from injury. Fastball was down to 90-92 instead of 92-94 topping out at 95, his off speed pitches were not sharp and he was leaving tons of balls up and giving up 1-2 home runs a start. 

 

 

He was not the same after coming back from injury. Fastball was down to 90-92 instead of 92-94 topping out at 95, his off speed pitches were not sharp and he was leaving tons of balls up and giving up 1-2 home runs a start. 

 

Yep, pretty much. Giving up homers was always an issue but not to the extent that it was when he came back. Unfortunate.

 

 

I get the opener strategy from a team perspective but I don't see why any one reliever would be better for three innings to open a game vs one inning at the end of the game.

 

I can see why a starter like say Urena would be better being limited to three innings instead of 6 or 7 but for a reliever to only be good as an opener makes no sense so why does Stanek suck for one inning but is apparently good for three? 

 

So saying the Marlins should be using Stanek as an opener doesnt explain why he's sucked as a late inning reliever thus far. 

 

This team seems just want to stick Stanek as a late inning reliever and he also pitched better in the role now, I'm prefer not to use him as a "opener" that what his former team did to him because I don't want the "starting pitchers" to do something "abnormal" to them that pitched the first pitch of game in the second, third or fourth inning. 

 

 

This team seems just want to stick Stanek as a late inning reliever and he also pitched better in the role now, I'm prefer not to use him as a "opener" that what his former team did to him because I don't want the "starting pitchers" to do something "abnormal" to them that pitched the first pitch of game in the second, third or fourth inning. 

 

I like the idea of the Opener.

 

 

A dream goal is sign Rendon and/or Cole, but I doubt either happens.  That said, I would like to see them sign someone for the right price that can be a component of the new core that does make that push forward.  It may only mean a slight improvement next year, but someone that becomes a key contributor thereafter.

 

He mentioned Abreu and Markakis........THOSE are the guys he claims are going to show things are different here, move next year forward, and aren't old veterans?  Lol.  No thanks.

 

Little late to this.

 

Cole isnt going to Miami.  Cole is I'd say 90% going to one of San Diego, Los Angeles, Los Angeles or New York (A).  

 

Markakis only wanted to play in Atlanta last year, he wouldnt talk to other teams, not sure if thats something that will change this winter, supposedly at least last year it was Atlanta or retire.  

 

Abreu if he were to be willing to leave Chicago should be a target.  2 years with a high AAV.  

 

 

I like the idea of the Opener.

 

I hate it and I think it never leads a team to a title.

 

 

I hate it and I think it never leads a team to a title.

 

I just wonder if the Rays keep using the "opener" after traded away Stanek. 

 

 

I hate it and I think it never leads a team to a title.

 

It burns through the bullpen. It’s harder to do in the National league where bullpen management and strategy are more important due to the pitcher hitting. 

 

 

It burns through the bullpen. It’s harder to do in the National league where bullpen management and strategy are more important due to the pitcher hitting. 

 

that and in postseason baseball you are relying on what?  6-7 relievers a game to not suck, as opposed to a starter going 5-6 and then 2-3 relievers....

 

 

It burns through the bullpen. It’s harder to do in the National league where bullpen management and strategy are more important due to the pitcher hitting. 

 

It does not burn through the bullpen unless the piggy-back pitcher does poorly. It's still usually three or four pitchers. Definitely more difficult in the NL, sure, but not impossible.

 

 

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Can't lose 105 games and not make significant additions when you have $20 million coming off the books. 

 

Can't lose 105 games and not make significant additions when you have $20 million coming off the books.

 

Agreed 

 

 

And we've tanked for a top 4 draft pick twice already so there's no need to do that again "on purpose." There must be on field improvement to the MLB team in 2020. 

 

 

If there were a "100" for improving, it should be 20 for pitching and 80 for hitting, I think. Also, I wish that team give a chance to Sierra than Brinson.