Valid 44 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 That deal is a bargain for a guy who slashed .277/.352/.457 this year and has a lifetime .806 OPS. He's also not terrible defensively and never has been. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael 2,151 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Sweet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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el_gmac 326 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SilverBullet 2,296 Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 Absolutely loving this. The old Marlins would have just cut Aguilar for the money savings alone even though there was no real need to do it. But this time they were smart and creative to a degree, jumping right to a fair contract offer, avoiding arbitration, rewarding him for his role in our 2020 run, and keeping our options open as far as 1B, DH, and even potentially future trades. The Miami Marlins still need to be smart with their finances yes but it shouldn't always feel like saving money is the priority over smart baseball decisions. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,271 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Looks like we’ll be hanging with Mr. Cooper for another year. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
el_gmac 326 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bret Hart 43 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Reasonable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SilverBullet 2,296 Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 I think that even with trying to save money, the Marlins need offense and non tendering Aguilar makes them significantly worse today and I feel like they're now trying to stay away from clearly stepping backwards. The PR line from front office types like Hill was always some general thing like "What can we do to make this team better" and this non tender would have been so clearly against that and so they probably just couldn't justify doing it. They can figure out the money saving situation later. Also, they're probably pretty confident that the DH is gonna be there in 2021 and they already have the guy they need for that so why not keep him while you can? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ayomang 6 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 37 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: I think that even with trying to save money, the Marlins need offense and non tendering Aguilar makes them significantly worse today and I feel like they're now trying to stay away from clearly stepping backwards. The PR line from front office types like Hill was always some general thing like "What can we do to make this team better" and this non tender would have been so clearly against that and so they probably just couldn't justify doing it. They can figure out the money saving situation later. Also, they're probably pretty confident that the DH is gonna be there in 2021 and they already have the guy they need for that so why not keep him while you can? They did give him a $4.35M contract for 1 year. Not sure what you're saying here. I would prefer they trade him for whatever the top value they can get for a guy who hasn't exactly lit it up his whole career Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffreysfishfry 154 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Wouldn't multi-year deals be more favorable with the market being as it is? Cooper and Aguilar could have big upside and the investment is well worth the risk? Are we saving right now to spend big in free agency? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SongInTheAir 395 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Wish Mattingly could have figured out how to use Stanek, but given his limitations as a manager, non-tendering Stanek was the right move. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffreysfishfry 154 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 54 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said: Wish Mattingly could have figured out how to use Stanek, but given his limitations as a manager, non-tendering Stanek was the right move. It's like Donnie is some kind of politician and you are the disgruntled voter, ranting while casually agreeing with the Stanek move. Unless you like to see Marlins lose, you really can't blame Donnie on how he used Stanek. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SongInTheAir 395 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 38 minutes ago, jeffreysfishfry said: It's like Donnie is some kind of politician and you are the disgruntled voter, ranting while casually agreeing with the Stanek move. Unless you like to see Marlins lose, you really can't blame Donnie on how he used Stanek. But the way he used Stanek was a way to make the Marlins lose? Stanek was EXCELLENT in the role he played for the Rays. He never once played that role as a Marlin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffreysfishfry 154 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said: But the way he used Stanek was a way to make the Marlins lose? Stanek was EXCELLENT in the role he played for the Rays. He never once played that role as a Marlin. If I remember he was given the same role in 2019 after the trade and it went downhill from there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marlinsmaniac 328 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 6 hours ago, jeffreysfishfry said: If I remember he was given the same role in 2019 after the trade and it went downhill from there. He was an opener for Tampa Bay. The marlins were using him as a setup man most of the time and I don’t believe they ever used him as an opener. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SilverBullet 2,296 Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 Something's wrong with Stanek if he can't pitch as good at 9pm than he can at 7:05pm. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,271 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, SilverBullet said: Something's wrong with Stanek if he can't pitch as good at 9pm than he can at 7:05pm. Could be as a simple as warming up differently when he is starting vs when he is relieving. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael 2,151 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 hours ago, SilverBullet said: Something's wrong with Stanek if he can't pitch as good at 9pm than he can at 7:05pm. 2 hours ago, SonOfJack said: Could be as a simple as warming up differently when he is starting vs when he is relieving. Yep. Both statements are fairly accurate here. Maybe he should just transition to a starter. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SilverBullet 2,296 Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 I get that there's a big difference between starting and relieving as far as preparation and other factors but at the end of the day no matter what inning he comes in Ryne Stanek's job is still to get the hitters out. He's doing something wrong if he suddenly sucks just because he's not being used as an opener. As Mish implies here, things were just off for Stanek with the Marlins and he probably will do fine with a change of scenery elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyoung 116 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 18 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said: Look at that - Bob Nightengale was wrong again. 🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffreysfishfry 154 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 6 hours ago, marlinsmaniac said: He was an opener for Tampa Bay. The marlins were using him as a setup man most of the time and I don’t believe they ever used him as an opener. My mistake then. I'm very surprised he had any success as an opener with how poor he's been. SITA has a tiny point of being right in his dramatic way. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SongInTheAir 395 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, jeffreysfishfry said: SITA has a tiny point of being right in his dramatic way. HELL YEAH! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,271 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 50 minutes ago, jeffreysfishfry said: SITA has a tiny p 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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