SilverBullet Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Maybe I'll post the clips in a bit but Jazz says that he was asleep before a team meeting and team captain Miguel Rojas purposely didn't wake him up and calls him out on it and says that the now the clubhouse is so tight that anyone would have woken him up if that happened now. Aram Leighton's take is that Jazz shouldn't have been sleeping and that Rojas allowed Jazz to sleep through the meeting to teach him a lesson and foster accountability. Besides being about Jazz vs Rojas, I think this is also a fair discussion on what's the right way for a captain/clubhouse leader to handle a situation like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Jazz is completely right and I love him more than ever after that interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SilverBullet Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 I'm not sure on who's right but I think that either way, from Jazz's perspective he sees that Rojas doesn't have his back and unless Rojas pulls him aside later and says hey this is why I didn't wake you, meaning actually teaching and explaining the lesson, then Rojas f'd up here because this is what creates tension and can ruin the clubhouse. So if Miggy was going for a lesson, he could have at least done it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Who cut up jazz cleats? Aguilar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDS2410 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Jazz letting everybody know what happened in the clubhouse is maybe not well received but for sure the captain purposedly not waking him up when there was a team meeting is a lot worse, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rydawg Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I'm on team Jazz. Rojas, as the leader he claimed to be, should have woken him up. He could have simply told Jazz to set an alarm next time. I assume pre game naps are allowed considering how many hours before game time they have to arrive to the club house. However, that doesn't mean that Jazz shouldn't have set an alarm. We all have one on our cell phones. It's just shows some immaturity on his side. Back to Rojas. The problem wasn't the nap or the alarm not being set. It's that as a "leader", you're accountable for your teams actions. If Jazz overslept and misses the meeting or the start of the game, that looks bad on everyone. Rojas disdain for Jazz is the real issue. In my opinion it's pure jealousy. He isn't half the player that Jazz is. Rojas calling card aside from his defense, was his "leadership" skills. Apparently he's a petty person and his leadership was all a smoke screan for attention and control. Yes, as I stated, there was some immaturity from Jazz, but that's to be expected from a young player. Rojas should have been better. He should of been a mentor instead of a bully. #FuckRojas 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I fully expect hazz to be plunked when they play doyer in May Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 3 minutes ago, pollythewog said: I fully expect hazz to be plunked when they play doyer in May Naw dawg. They ain't gonna plunk Jazz for a guy who's gonna play like 50 games for them this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 I would love to eventually, like I'm talking years down the line, to find out that Jazz proves himself as an actual leader, captain like, along with a successful career of course. That would be the best way to stick it to Miggy, by ending up better than him in every way including in leadership. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 The story of Jazz's cleats being shredded by a veteran and drenched in milk is awful and I think is a big point to make for anyone who thinks this is just about Jazz being immature. Things like that are just purely mean and don't teach anything to a young player. All it does is create tension and resentment. I'd like to know more about Mattingly during all this. Did he know what was going on? Did he lose control of the clubhouse? Jazz made it sound like Mattingly was cool with him but he also made it clear that this stuff absolutely doesn't happen under Skip. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 Will Miggy respond to all this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valid Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) Should Rojas have woken Jazz? Yes. But Jazz telling the world that he slept through a team meeting isn't exactly a good look. Definitely a dysfunctional locker room, but Jazz thinking he actually looks good telling this story just goes to show he is still immature. Rojas isn't here anymore. Jazz is. I'm not sure I've ever seen a player post as mediocre results as Jazz and get this type of star treatment. I like him and think he can be terrific, but he has a career .754 OPS and has never played a full season. He hasn't done much of anything yet. Edited March 20 by Valid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valid Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 2 hours ago, SilverBullet said: The story of Jazz's cleats being shredded by a veteran and drenched in milk is awful and I think is a big point to make for anyone who thinks this is just about Jazz being immature. Things like that are just purely mean and don't teach anything to a young player. All it does is create tension and resentment. I'd like to know more about Mattingly during all this. Did he know what was going on? Did he lose control of the clubhouse? Jazz made it sound like Mattingly was cool with him but he also made it clear that this stuff absolutely doesn't happen under Skip. It's Mattingly. He probably just didn't care about any of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 4 minutes ago, Valid said: Jazz telling the world that he slept through a team meeting isn't exactly a good look. I think the question on this is, how often do players nap before games because I've seen many say "can't believe Jazz was sleeping" while others are like "players catching a pre game nap is common" and in that case Jazz wasn't doing anything wrong. So is it a normal thing or is it a sign of being irresponsible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbanCastillo Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I'm trying to figure out who was the other guy that Jazz alluded to, besides Rojas. I'm also thinking Aguilar, but I find that hard to believe since he always seemed like a fun guy. Maybe he was putting up a front too. But I don't think it was Cooper who he referred to as the person not willing to stretch for him at 1B. Which, btw, that part sounded a little silly. Jazz made several clear errors with his throws from SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMarlinsProject Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Going to go out on a very small limb here and say that it wasn't the first time Jazz was perceived as being unprofessional. Same goes with Sanchez. They are both talented but obviously very immature. Guessing these incidents were a way of the veterans trying to get through to them so that they can reach their potential. Right or wrong they probably were frustrated with the attitudes and work ethics of these young players. TBH, Jazz is a bit of a clown. There's a reason a player of his potential was traded away by the Diamondbacks. Same with Sanchez. Hopefully they will both mature and live up to their potential. As of right now that does not look to be the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Piggy ro imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Both parties are in the wrong in that story - Miggy (or someone else) should've woken him up, AND Jazz should set an alarm if it was a pre-scheduled meeting. In the second clip, Jazz has some balls talking about other players that are "just there" and aren't good when he still has yet to prove himself. He needs to keep his head down and prove it before getting out there acting like he's Acuna. I hate Acuna's antics, but at least he's proven his abilities on the field to back them up. Jazz can't even play a full season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Miggy should have woken him up or explained why he didn't immediately afterward - that part aside there are two sides to every story and with as much as Jazz wants to run his mouth here I'm betting there's more to it than just that. It's likely Miggy won't say much in return because he's more polished than Jazz so we will likely never hear much more than a "he's entitled to his opinion" or " that's old news. I'm excited for the upcoming season as a Dodger". Jazz comes across as a whiny diva here who again seems to act like he's just as good as his buddy Acuna when he hasn't really done much of anything except somehow get onto the cover of a video game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Jazz is as good as he has been without practicing and now he's practicing. We are up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Michael said: Jazz is as good as he has been without practicing and now he's practicing. We are up! 30/40 incoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 24 minutes ago, pollythewog said: 30/40 incoming 50/100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 9 minutes ago, Michael said: 50/100 Pretty impressive considering he's only gonna play 1/3 of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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