10 minutes ago, Michael said:

50/100

He is going to get 50 hits in his first 100 AB?

13 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

The story of Jazz's cleats being shredded by a veteran and drenched in milk is awful and I think is a big point to make for anyone who thinks this is just about Jazz being immature. Things like that are just purely mean and don't teach anything to a young player. All it does is create tension and resentment. 

I'd like to know more about Mattingly during all this. Did he know what was going on? Did he lose control of the clubhouse? 

Jazz made it sound like Mattingly was cool with him but he also made it clear that this stuff absolutely doesn't happen under Skip. 

Mattingly was awful in every which way. I never liked his management style but initially, I thought he was a players coach and that he had control of the clubhouse. That turned out not to be the case.  He was just a pushover.  What a fucking tool.  So glad he's gone!  

51 minutes ago, hovertical said:

Pretty impressive considering he's only gonna play 1/3 of the season.

Imagine what he’d do in a full season!

41 minutes ago, Rydawg said:

Mattingly was awful in every which way. I never liked his management style but initially, I thought he was a players coach and that he had control of the clubhouse. That turned out not to be the case.  He was just a pushover.  What a fucking tool.  So glad he's gone!  

Being a player's coach was the only thing everyone agreed he was good at and now we're not even sure that was true. 

4 hours ago, rmc523 said:

Both parties are in the wrong in that story - Miggy (or someone else) should've woken him up, AND Jazz should set an alarm if it was a pre-scheduled meeting.

Yeah this is a good point.

Why did no one wake Jazz up? I highly doubt Rojas was the only player who saw him sleeping. The fact that everyone just left him there might be an indication of how the clubhouse felt about Jazz in general.

9 hours ago, TheMarlinsProject said:

Going to go out on a very small limb here and say that it wasn't the first time Jazz was perceived as being unprofessional.  Same goes with Sanchez. 

They are both talented but obviously very immature.  Guessing these incidents were a way of the veterans trying to get through to them so that they can reach their potential.  Right or wrong they probably were frustrated with the attitudes and work ethics of these young players.

TBH, Jazz is a bit of a clown.  There's a reason a player of his potential was traded away by the Diamondbacks.  Same with Sanchez.  

Hopefully they will both mature and live up to their potential.

As of right now that does not look to be the case.

Yeah the fact that everyone was getting on Sanchez's case (according to Jazz) and that Jazz was the only one to think otherwise says something given Jazz's own immaturity level.

While I do think the whole "no fun" attitude is silly, the "do whatever you want" attitude that a lot of the younger guys knock the veterans and old-timers for being opposed to is equally as silly. There should be some type of medium. The vets wanting to keep a young Sanchez in check is not necessarily a bad thing, in my opinion.

We also have to keep in mind the setting here. Jazz was on The Pivot, which is an incredibly cringey podcast featuring a bunch of try-hard hosts that worship the ground athletes walk on. It's no surprise Jazz felt comfortable talking freely about the whole thing, and you can see that none of the hosts even challenged him.

The fact of the matter is that Jazz owns a lifetime slash line of .245/.304/.452. For comparison's sake, that is not even as good as Cody Ross. Jazz has never even played a full season. He hasn't earned the right to talk this much. As others have said, he isn't Ronald Acuna. Stop worrying about what Miguel Rojas did to you a couple of years ago (and Jazz wasn't even entirely in the right there anyway) and stop badmouthing every player you think "wronged" you and just shut up and play.

Edited March 20, 20242 yr by Valid

32 minutes ago, Valid said:

While I do think the whole "no fun" attitude is silly, the "do whatever you want" attitude that a lot of the younger guys knock the veterans and old-timers for being opposed to is equally as silly. There should be some type of medium. The vets wanting to keep a young Sanchez in check is not necessarily a bad thing, in my opinion.

Jazz' point was they didn't allow Sanchez to be himself, and Sanchez then went into a huge slump. It's not strictly a "do what you want" scenario Jazz wants, simply, "let him be him and if criticism is warranted, then talk to him." Which is how it should be.

49 minutes ago, Valid said:

Jazz was on The Pivot, which is an incredibly cringey podcast featuring a bunch of try-hard hosts that worship the ground athletes walk on

This is a good point too, and Craig Mish also points out that Jazz considers himself an entertainer so while a lot of it is likely true, Jazz could also be exaggerating things to create buzz... he compares it to a movie that is "inspired by true events" and then takes creative liberties to create a more exciting product. 

Is this whiney baby finally going to play a whole season?

Trade this bum.

2 hours ago, rmc523 said:

Imagine what he’d do in a full season!

Bruce doesn't want to imagine it

21 minutes ago, flsportsfan83 said:

Is this whiney baby finally going to play a whole season?

Trade this bum.

Stop it.

 

Team is coming off a playoff appearance, trading their most popular (and arguably best when healthy [yes I know, rare]) player is the DUMBEST thing they can do. You have a weird vendetta against Jazz.

1 hour ago, hovertical said:

Bruce doesn't want to imagine it

Well, he's paying him for a full season, and only getting 1/3 of a season...

Here's the full interview, I just heard it in its entirety.

I don't have a problem with people calling out Jazz's injury history or his issue of talking more than he performs... but hearing this full interview I don't know how anyone can not root for him. Yes he's brash but he seems to have a good heart and a desire to succeed. He's not the asshole that a lot of cocky athletes seem to be. This interview pumped me up, damn I want this kid to have a full season and show who he can truly be and I'm glad he's on the team I love. 

Also my God he makes Skip sound so amazing. I love Skip so much. 

2 hours ago, Michael said:

Stop it.

 

Team is coming off a playoff appearance, trading their most popular (and arguably best when healthy [yes I know, rare]) player is the DUMBEST thing they can do. You have a weird vendetta against Jazz.

Its not like the organization acted like they were coming off a playoff appearance or anything this past offseason, so who cares.

11 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Here's the full interview, I just heard it in its entirety.

I don't have a problem with people calling out Jazz's injury history or his issue of talking more than he performs... but hearing this full interview I don't know how anyone can not root for him. Yes he's brash but he seems to have a good heart and a desire to succeed. He's not the asshole that a lot of cocky athletes seem to be. This interview pumped me up, damn I want this kid to have a full season and show who he can truly be and I'm glad he's on the team I love. 

Also my God he makes Skip sound so amazing. I love Skip so much. 

Agree the interview in it’s entirety is excellent and I really want to root for jazz more than ever now

16 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

Agree the interview in it’s entirety is excellent and I really want to root for jazz more than ever now

Would you trade Jazz for Ng?

38 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Its not like the organization acted like they were coming off a playoff appearance or anything this past offseason, so who cares.

Shut the FUCK up, Das!

Bah Gawd.... Thats Deangelo Russells music!!!

9 hours ago, Michael said:

Jazz' point was they didn't allow Sanchez to be himself, and Sanchez then went into a huge slump. It's not strictly a "do what you want" scenario Jazz wants, simply, "let him be him and if criticism is warranted, then talk to him." Which is how it should be.

Jazz didn't say anything about warranted criticism. He was basically just telling them to let Sanchez showboat.

Again, when Jazz is the only one feeling a certain way about something, I'm skeptical.

I also highly doubt Sanchez went into a huge slump as a direct result of players telling him to tone it down lol.

Edited March 21, 20242 yr by Valid

6 hours ago, Valid said:

when Jazz is the only one feeling a certain way about something, I'm skeptical.

But it's also been noted that Jazz had a bunch of supporters on the team. It wasn't everyone against Jazz, Jazz wasn't the only one feeling the way he felt. The clubhouse was divided. That means that the clubhouse leadership, captain included, wasn't actually doing their job of leading a cohesive clubhouse. 

I don't think this is so much about who is right or wrong, I think it's more about showing what a piss poor clubhouse we had when Rojas was captain and before Skip changed the culture. 

8 hours ago, Valid said:

Jazz didn't say anything about warranted criticism. He was basically just telling them to let Sanchez showboat.

Again, when Jazz is the only one feeling a certain way about something, I'm skeptical.

I also highly doubt Sanchez went into a huge slump as a direct result of players telling him to tone it down lol.

First paragraph - read between the lines. He didn't say do whatever or showboat, just have fun.

Second paragraph - SB got that already.

Third paragraph - you'd be surprised. Remember how much of this game is mental. If you're not enjoying where you are, you likely won't perform as well as you can.

The punishment seems more like hazing to me.  If Jazz was constantly sleeping in the clubhouse and having to be woken up, that's one thing.  However, if this is a one time thing that happened, its definitely just the veterans trying to flex on the young players instead of actually helping them.  Toxic tit for tat behavior does not improve clubhouse cohesion.

23 minutes ago, LordMagnus said:

The punishment seems more like hazing to me.  If Jazz was constantly sleeping in the clubhouse and having to be woken up, that's one thing.  However, if this is a one time thing that happened, its definitely just the veterans trying to flex on the young players instead of actually helping them.  Toxic tit for tat behavior does not improve clubhouse cohesion.

This.

It doesn't seem like they were teaching him, just trying to get him busted.

14 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

, just trying to get him busted.

wish someone would try this for me

42 minutes ago, Admin said:

wish someone would try this for me